Stopping people from dying is a good thing. Stopping people from dying without their consent or despite lack of consent is a bad thing. It's really not that difficult and this subject isn't really in any way controversial if you engage with ethical issues like that regularly. Like I hope I don't need to explain to you why "saving" someone against their will is a bad thing, but in very short terms: it increases suffering and it's a violation of their autonomy, right. If someone takes SN, that's a decision that's ususally made for a reason. Maybe you should focus on these reasons instead of trying to infringe on people's right to die. If people don't want to die because they live a good life, you won't have to save them in the first place - crazy, right? So stop the treatment of symptoms as the solution and start advocating for real societal change.
I'm not going to beg, to differ... because, determining the nature of causes, age restriction, accessibility of means, proper treatment, etc in accordance with how someone ends their life is always going to be a controversial process to regulate, if you care --as you said you did-- about keeping people from dying. Boiling your argument down to autonomy and condescension is both crude and childish. It's stripping a suicidal person of their humanity and their right to live even in their darkest of hours. That's why there are added precautionary measures before abortions are performed; so that the one inquiring the procedure is properly informed of their options and given time to give consent, multiple times. Otherwise you're writing people off as lost causes unworthy of saving, essentially throwing them away. If you agree that keeping people from dying is good, then keeping people alive is also good.
It sounds like the OP isn't advocating against the right-to-die so much as advocating against being able to come to a website and be pointed in the direction of a prescription of SN, and advised of a protocol for maximum effectiveness, followed by a well-wishing send-off should you choose to say "Goodbye" before leaving.
Denying someone this particular experience is not "saving" them against their will or denying them their autonomy; it's simply not aiding them in their own suicide by providing a lethal source. Doing so infringes on their right to live by playing Dr. Death and essentially further solidifies their hopeless reality, which make you apart of the societal problems that treat people with mental adversities like garbage. Maybe you should practice what you preach and stick to focusing on the reasons people want to take SN instead of being the gatekeeper to the right to die. You deciding to keep access open for supply of SN does effectively 'stop the treatment of their symptoms' so you don't have to trouble yourself for a solution there. Problematic people solved, right?
Like I hope I don't need to explain to you why "saving" someone against their will is a bad thing
Like I hope I don't need to explain to you why starting a sentence with "Like" is a bad thing...
As a doctor you should know what's on people's mind when they commit suicide
Yeah no, this is an absurd statement meant to deflect blame and shift the issue of suicide onto the cause to justify the means, which it can not.
Improving our society and making people actually want to live is expensive and people quite obviously don't put their money where their mouth is. It's that simple. Nobody cares.
I'm glad you improved and recovered from your own struggles, as someone who has lived for quite a while now on this planet, I can assure you not everyone has the capacity (and privilege) to do that. There are certain situations and mental health conditions that make recovery very difficult to impossible. I hate to break it to you but you can not assume that everyone can improve just because you did. Just pointing that out because I'm not quite sure if you bringing up your own situation was supposed to be an argument against this website and the right to die in general.
These suggestions, while correct in theory, do not apply here because that is not the issue the OP brought up, nor did he imply that any of your improvements would be canceled out by attempting to deny the source of SN, deeming your causations of suicide irrelevant. Also, you saying that "making people want to live is expensive" etc can safely be inferred as stating that people who want to die are not worth the money of fixing; and so should
therefore kill themselves because,
as you said, "Nobody cares." (which would mean you don't either, because that's the meaning of
nobody).
Well, hey, I care. Obviously so does OP, as do many members here... and, seeing as you ignore and allow the anti-life radical DeathEater members here to pollute and ruin people's experiences here; and instead race to give snarkyass arrogant responses to views that don't appear to align with yours, I can see how it's so easy for you to dismiss and write people off who could have a chance at life, even if they may not want it at the present being. You're allowing of recommendations for SN providers permanently restricts them from ever having that chance, should they succeed.
Who are you to allow someone you don't know such access? Someone who you know nothing of. I believe that is OP's argument imo. I don't know what yours is...
I hate to break it to you but you can not assume more people will not improve just because of one person sharing their desire to not die. Good god.
People don't always feel comfortable discussing their ethical issues of being here and bearing witness to the things that are posted, so I'm not going to let your "hammer" status (iykyk) try to talk down to the ones brave enough to actually speak up into backtracking to give pacifying answers.
You interject to correct people's threads all the time with "po-choice, pro-choice" yet here you are, taking away OP's choice expression to not give up on people? To not give out SN candy like they're vitamin samples? That's not hypocritical or cherrypicking causes at all. Op didn't attack people's right-to-die, or attack anything at all really so Idk why you're so damn defensive and putting words into his metaphorical mouth that aren't even there...
Weird and suspect iyam.
Also worth noting is you inserting/asserting your age for dramatic effect and/or for further reassurance of your knowledge-- as if it's more important than anyone else's, namely OP's-- is comical. (Like, you're in your 20s.. you're not old enough to throw around phrases like that.)
TL; DR --
I resent this overly pro-suicide post
for OP and its implications, especially from an admin.
