Many cases of brain damage caused by failed attempts with SN?

[GoodPersonEffed]

these should the links

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

my comments in this thread were not to say that i know more than other members, but that based on the information and testimonials we have, sn will not cause any major or permenate brain damage, if you disagree with that then i would love to see your sources so we can have more knowledge about sn overdose but alot of people say this merely because they feel like it does

I don't disagree with you at all. I've done enough research both off and on the forum, especially off, that I personally have zero fear of brain damage.

Not sure if those were the links since they're not the quotes but may be the links I put in the quotes, I'm really just too tired to go looking to verify.

 

[Wakawaka]

I don't disagree with you at all. I've done enough research both off and on the forum, especially off, that I personally have zero fear of brain damage.

Not sure if those were the links since they're not the quotes but may be the links I put in the quotes, I'm really just too tired to go looking to verify.

yeah i was just making a general statement to the rest of the people on the thread haha

and just making sure are you talking about this thread?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...e-claim-to-suffocate-on-sn.53890/#post-983715

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

yeah i was just making a general statement to the rest of the people on the thread haha

and just making sure are you talking about this thread?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...e-claim-to-suffocate-on-sn.53890/#post-983715

Thank you for providing that link! It's the correct comment, and the one I made after it on that thread is also very relevant to the discussion about brain damage.

 

[Meditation guide]

This is not true. The risks are the same of hypoxia.

There is a member here who took SN and went unconscious, was found and transported to a hospital, and remained in a coma for two weeks, and woke up in intensive care. He has no brain damage.

Have you heard of someone with brain damage from SN?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

There is a member here who took SN and went unconscious, was found and transported to a hospital, and remained in a coma for two weeks, and woke up in intensive care. He has no brain damage.

Have you heard of someone with brain damage from SN?

these should the links

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

my comments in this thread were not to say that i know more than other members, but that based on the information and testimonials we have, sn will not cause any major or permenate brain damage, if you disagree with that then i would love to see your sources so we can have more knowledge about sn overdose but alot of people say this merely because they feel like it does, and then provide nothing to support it

I agree with you @Wakawaka your posts on this thread.

I've been here for almost a year and a half and seen hundreds of SN cases just on this website(last year at this time this was almost a daily occurance because of the end of the year and more availability of SN in UK, Europe etc. i was here and these can be looked up in the threads). Also this is just from one one website (so this is not a "small sample size" as i've seen hundreds of cases just from this website and knew a lot of the people etc.). There is a world out there of almost 8 billion people now where 1 million per year commit suicide and die so of course there are many more cases in the world yet not a single case of brain damage but the naysayers say that is not significant "small sample size" .

Epidemiology of suicide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's not a small sample size many many people have attempted SN , SN been popular here for 2 years at least. And i've even seen cases decades old of accidental SN poisoning so SN didn't just appear this month and there just isn't a just small sample size as SN has been used for decades and there have been many accidental and deliberate suicide attemtps throughout the years worldwide yet not a single report of SN brain damage but naysayers say that there is no difference that SN carries the same risk of brain damage as other methods yet don't show the number of proven cases of brain damage to support their claims. . for me anyway i have confidence and that's what i need . i need to commit suicide as there is no other option for me and yes fear can stop me and that would make me suffer too much that any human has no right to suffer that much (and pro-lifers will say i can't kill myself that i have to suffer medieval level torture for what purpose? ) .

Pro-lifers don't get it that many of us are suffering or see hellish torture in the future and have to escape that torture. They say soldier on . Would a pro-lifer volunteer to go back in time to the middle Ages and be tortured in dungeons as they did back then? and continue to live in that ? or would a pro-lifer want to still live and suffer in the hells i've seen people be in as in cancer, tinitus, lyme kidney stones , homelessness ? So we need a reliable, relatively painless way to escape such torture.

i need to kill myself and i can't let fear stop me.
So i won't let others strike fear into me especially with not actual proof . others want to put fear ,uncertaintity and doubt into me i won't let them .

Since there have been hundreds of SN cases just here on this website and by extrapolation 1000's worlwide and not a single report of brain damage that is not a small data set as SN has been used for meat curing for decades and there have been many sn cases throughtout the decades. So it shows me that there is a difference with SN as opposed to other methods as i've seen cases of co brain damage (seen posts), opoid , hanging etc. With SN imo there is less likelyhood of brain damage than other methods.

 

[aminend]

There is not any report about brain damage in SN serviver. This is main advantage of SN. U will die or will servive completely healthy.

 

[Aap]

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

While this individual did not have permanent brain damage, there was clear indication of brain injury, as indicated by mri in the same region of the brain affected by carbon monoxide, as one would expect, as they both interfere with the ability of hemoglobin to transport oxygen.

I can't get any more clear than that. While most people who survive carbon monoxide poisoning do not report permanent brain damage (just look at the survival's here), this does not mean it does not occur.

taking a single case reported here (or even 25 cases and using that anecdotal evidence of no brain injury is ridiculous. The incidence of permanent brain injury in opioid overdose cases is quite low, but it absolutely occurs.

I have a feeling if polled on the risk of brain damage from opioids, many on this forum would view it in the 1 in 2 to 1 in 10 range while SN would be 1 in a million. If both were 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000, how many cases of brain injury would you expect to see in 25 ODs?

 

[Meditation guide]

Has anyone heard of someone surviving it with the recommended dose of 25 grams without going to the hospital?

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

I think I remember reading that although SN ingestion causes hypoxia, it does not cause brain damage. This is because it affects the red blood cells and causes hypoxemia (depletes the oxygen), which results in the hypoxia leading to death. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

 

[Aap]

wat? What do you think death is? How does drowning affect one's brain? How does carbon monoxide? How do you think hypoxia leads to death?

 

[Buffy5120]

wat? What do you think death is? How does drowning affect one's brain? How does carbon monoxide? How do you think hypoxia leads to death?

So basically make sure your not found to avoid this and if you back out call ems immediately so this wont happen right?

 

[Symbiote]

Hi, SN survivor here, no brain damage from the drug, but I think I was already "brain damaged" from before. 25G is the magical number as long as you have adequate time of not being found and that you have fasted for a few days. The surprising thing was I never vomited even though I expected to because I did not take any metos.

Heart problems because they administered Meth Blue too quickly because the ER staff never had a case like this before. Methemoglobin levels were 67%, fatal rate is 70+.

 

[Rose57]

Hi, SN survivor here, no brain damage from the drug, but I think I was already "brain damaged" from before. 25G is the magical number as long as you have adequate time of not being found and that you have fasted for a few days. The surprising thing was I never vomited even though I expected to because I did not take any metos.

Heart problems because they administered Meth Blue too quickly because the ER staff never had a case like this before. Methemoglobin levels were 67%, fatal rate is 70+.

Did you make a thread with more details about your experience? Were you found on accident? Would you say the symptoms were distressing and painful before you went unconscious?

 

[Buffy5120]

Hi, SN survivor here, no brain damage from the drug, but I think I was already "brain damaged" from before. 25G is the magical number as long as you have adequate time of not being found and that you have fasted for a few days. The surprising thing was I never vomited even though I expected to because I did not take any metos.

Heart problems because they administered Meth Blue too quickly because the ER staff never had a case like this before. Methemoglobin levels were 67%, fatal rate is 70+.

So sorry wait why did u fail then? Did u call ems or u were found to early?

 

[Rose57]

I did a little digging and found Symbiote's. story:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/survived-my-sn-last-june.52780/

Thanks so much for writing up your experience

 

[Johnjohn1]

If I get a hotel room and do the sodium nitrite that I have around 11 p.m. to midnight, the hotel housekeeper will probably arrive during check out time from 11 to 12 in the morning. Is that enough time to be fully dead? What do I need to book a hotel room for two days in a row and tell the front office staff that I don't need any housekeeping services during the day? Thanks for any feedback!

 

[Nexuno]

Have you heard of someone with brain damage from SN?

Nope. But, again, the problem here is not SN. You have to look to nitrites brain damages. Then the reply is "yes".
The problem here is that we are talking of substances that are mainly linked to accidental ingestions or suicide attempts; there are not extensive studies on humans, but what have been observed in lab tests on animals suggests that there is a wide range of brain diseases linked to nitrites that cannot be ignored.

I'm more than happy to read that in many cases people had no major brain issues (even though we don't know the clinical story of them, specially how their health condition developed over the years, so this could also be not true), but this is not enough and it's totally misleading to affirm that nitrites do not cause brain damages.

Hi, SN survivor here, no brain damage from the drug, but I think I was already "brain damaged" from before. 25G is the magical number as long as you have adequate time of not being found and that you have fasted for a few days. The surprising thing was I never vomited even though I expected to because I did not take any metos.

Heart problems because they administered Meth Blue too quickly because the ER staff never had a case like this before. Methemoglobin levels were 67%, fatal rate is 70+.

Sorry you have been through this <3

 

[Buffy5120]

If I get a hotel room and do the sodium nitrite that I have around 11 p.m. to midnight, the hotel housekeeper will probably arrive during check out time from 11 to 12 in the morning. Is that enough time to be fully dead? What do I need to book a hotel room for two days in a row and tell the front office staff that I don't need any housekeeping services during the day? Thanks for any feedback!

Im booking for a at least 3 days and im putting the do not disturb sign on the doorknob

 

[Symbiote]

If I get a hotel room and do the sodium nitrite that I have around 11 p.m. to midnight, the hotel housekeeper will probably arrive during check out time from 11 to 12 in the morning. Is that enough time to be fully dead? What do I need to book a hotel room for two days in a row and tell the front office staff that I don't need any housekeeping services during the day? Thanks for any feedback!

I was going that route for my next attempt, except I'll do it a day before I check out. So if I had check out on Tuesday, I'll CTB on Sunday night.

So sorry wait why did u fail then? Did u call ems or u were found to early?

Found by a security guard doing night patrol in the parking lot on a night that I thought he was off.

 

[Spitfire]

If I get a hotel room and do the sodium nitrite that I have around 11 p.m. to midnight, the hotel housekeeper will probably arrive during check out time from 11 to 12 in the morning. Is that enough time to be fully dead? What do I need to book a hotel room for two days in a row and tell the front office staff that I don't need any housekeeping services during the day? Thanks for any feedback!

I think 12 hours would be enough time, with how I understand it.

The nitrite levels should begin peaking first within the hour (closer to half an hour).

The methemoglobin levels should begin peaking at approximately 100 minutes.

Methemoglobinemia should be rising past fatal levels by 1am if it was taken at 11pm, which is 10 hours from checkout time.

 

[Wakawaka]

hmm

 

[Johnjohn1]

Thank you very much for letting me know this. I agree with your assessment thanks again

 

[Aap]

Chinese teacher sentenced to death for poisoning nursery children

A Chinese court said she put poison into the porridge of her colleague's students in an act of revenge.

www.bbc.com

I know everyone will discount this news report of brain damage, as they were not there and don't know for sure what was actually put in the food. I will say this is as valid (and much more so as it is from a court case) than any anecdotal report here.

those who keep posting the eeg study either haven't read it, don't understand it, or both. This was low dose SN that did not result in change of consciousness during the short test. As anyone who has read a live feed of someone who has taken SN, the doses being consumed are much larger and obviously result in change of consciousness before unconscious. A study that shows no EEG changes on low dose opioids does not mean than high dose can not cause brain injury.

I've posted a news article from a court case, I've posted a journal article showing brain injury on T2 weighted MRI in the globus palidus (which is similar to what is seen with CO poisoning). I've never claimed a high risk of injury, but a risk does exist, and I've given two cases.

If that is inferior evidence to anecdotal anonymous posts, then I suspect you do not do science.

as an aside, I don't comprehend the pushback to science and logic this forum is exhibiting. I suspect it is due to cognitive dissonance. SN can not be both safe and lethal. To state that SN cannot cause brain injury due to hypoxia completely ignores both the mechanisms of injury from hypoxia and death.

 

[Nexuno]

To state that SN cannot cause brain injury due to hypoxia completely ignores both the mechanisms of injury from hypoxia and death.

^^^This. Agree.

 

[Pravesh]

Is SN a risky method in terms of brain damage if it fails? Are there any cases reported of people being brain damaged after surviving SN?

i rather live with brain damage than my current brain at least then i wont care about be all blanked out anyway

 

[Endeavour]

I suppose whatever method you use, if you're serious about ctb then at some point on that journey your brain will be deprived of oxygen and so there will inevitably be a chance of brain damage if you are "saved".

So I suppose that if you want to ctb then the most important thing is to make sure no one has a chance to "save" you.

When you are dead you have permanent brain damage, that is to say it doesn't work any more.

 

[Meditation guide]

i need to kill myself and i can't let fear stop me.
So i won't let others strike fear into me especially with not actual proof . others want to put fear ,uncertaintity and doubt into me i won't let them .

Since there have been hundreds of SN cases just here on this website and by extrapolation 1000's worlwide and not a single report of brain damage that is not a small data set as SN has been used for meat curing for decades and there have been many sn cases throughtout the decades. So it shows me that there is a difference with SN as opposed to other methods as i've seen cases of co brain damage (seen posts), opoid , hanging etc. With SN imo there is less likelyhood of brain damage than other methods.

Excellent post! No brain damage from SN. We have a large sample size and not one case of it.

 

[Aap]

But that is demonstrably wrong. I've linked a journal article, I've linked a BBC story. There is not a large sample size, but damage has (rarely) occurred.

 

[Endeavour]

Try full or partial hanging and there could be brain damage, night night could be brain damage, jumping - brain and other damage, overdose all kinds of organ damage, CO could leave you with brain damage, as could inert gas or a gunshot wound

Every method pretty much will leave you messed up if you survive it, probably SN included depending how long you have it in you before you're saved.

So if you're serious about ctb with SN make sure you follow the guidelines properly and aren't found.

If you're trying to kill yourself, you can't really do it without some risk of injury if you aren't successful.

I'd say compared to the other methods SN seems to offer the least potential for long term damage.

 

[elfgyoza]

Come on guys, if you're going to kill yourself you have to accept there is a risk of brain damage. Unless you blow your head off with a shotgun, there is a chance you will be found and 'saved'. If the brain is without oxygen for several minutes you will get brain damage, regardless of the method used. All 'failed' cases on here are because they were quickly found or they asked for help, their brains hadn't been deprived of oxygen for long enough to cause lasting damage. Hypoxia is a well known cause of brain injury