Discussion Luigi Mangione

[voir2]

Below is Mangione full manifesto as it can be found here https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
I think Mangione do not particularly care about poor people struggling with healthcare. He is just angry about the inefficiency and greediness of healcare system which could not take care properly of his health problem (he had a back surgery which was not totally successful)

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

 

[needthebus]

I still maintain that Luigi's Mansion is still some sort of decoy or distraction for either the real killer or from law enforcement itself and that the actual shooter is likely still at large. Everything from the way he was found to the planted evidence on him to the fact his social media presence seems surgically designed to fit exactly how one would suspect him to be like. It all still seems fake to me. Therefore he is not a hero to me.

The real guy however, I can at least say I don't necessarily condone his actions though I also don't find him to be a villain either. I'm just a dumb centrist so my opinions shouldn't matter really.

you're probably right

im naive and initially accepted it was him, but he could be a law enforcement patsy

the more I find out, the more I realize they have the wrong guy and needs to be freed

 

[deleted]

Hero, free my boy

 

[soledad.virgen]

i will also say im grateful the conversation around healthcare and access to it has started up again, because we literally had an election year where the party of the "left" absolutely ignored and refused to meet the demands of the people in that area. it was startling to see it go unmentioned and i can only hope some democrats will learn from the support luigi is getting and try to actually push for popular policies

 

[Pluto]

 

[Chinaski]

He's not a hero. He murdered a man who has a wife and children. Despite what you may think about his JOB that's not ok. It's pretty hypocritical of people who claim to be pro choice to be ok with cold blooded murder. Unless it comes out he paid mangione to murder him. He had NO choice. I also find it ironic as fuck that people are talking shit about rich people when mangione is rich as fuck. Hypocrites

One of the things about this whole story which really sticks out for me is the liberal handwringing over the assassination of an objectively foul individual as opposed to the recognition that this is ultimately a consequence of these very same people spending decades committing profit-driven social murder which is considered to be acceptable in comparison.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It doesn't matter. Even if it has no impact whatsoever, the fact that some bloodthirsty CEO who probably thought himself invincible got gunned down in the street like some fucking degenerate is a victory in and of it itself.

Besides, seeing Americans from all sides of the political isle come together over this and unravel their collective trauma is kinda heartwarming. I salute this man.

Exactly. This doesn't just apply to that one CEO but also to everybody else who is rich and is in power. Remember at how people were celebrating when a bunch of rich people died in that failed oceangate experiment? Most of us secretly want those in power to be dead but we don't ever mention this publicly or even online because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"

 

[vanibless]

I feel like people mostly excuse him just bc he's ,,hot" lol

 

[Alcoholic Teletubby]

I feel like people mostly excuse him just bc he's ,,hot" lol

Of course the highlight of 2024 is a sudo-vigilante assassin who exposed himself via a flirt.

 

[derpyderpins]

because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"

Well. . . also because the people in power have, ya know, power. They are afraid of repercussions.

 

[Chinaski]

I feel like people mostly excuse him just bc he's ,,hot" lol

If that was a possible get-out I'd have killed three doctors already

Exactly. This doesn't just apply to that one CEO but also to everybody else who is rich and is in power. Remember at how people were celebrating when a bunch of rich people died in that failed oceangate experiment? Most of us secretly want those in power to be dead but we don't ever mention this publicly or even online because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"

WHEN PEOPLE ARE DEPRIVED OF HEALTHCARE, WELFARE AND HOUSING: maybe death instead of healthcare as policy, these are Tough Decisions Which Need To Be Made and it's only right that those with a scarcity of inherited wealth pay the biggest price, as they have continued to do for two generations, if the markets are to be appeased

WHEN A HEALTHCARE CEO IS KILLED: omg what has the world come to this billionaire had a family, what message does this send to future healthcare ceos, how have we somehow created a society where aspiration is frowned upon

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Well. . . also because the people in power have, ya know, power. They are afraid of repercussions.

Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl. However, surely it'd be okay to at least say it online where people are anonymous, right? I don't see how people can get repercussions from saying it online but, then again, perhaps there's something that I'm missing here which would go to show that people could get repercussions

 

[derpyderpins]

Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl. However, surely it'd be okay to at least say it online where people are anonymous, right? I don't see how people can get repercussions from saying it online but, then again, perhaps there's something that I'm missing here which would go to show that people could get repercussions

Fear works in funny ways and isn't always rational. That woman is in jail facing prison time for saying words over the phone: who knows if a post on a forum is next to prove their point?

But, I do think you are seeing a good number of people saying it online.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Fear works in funny ways and isn't always rational. That woman is in jail facing prison time for saying words over the phone: who knows if a post on a forum is next to prove their point?

Fair enough. Fear, by definition, isn't rational since its an emotion (and it's certainly an emotion that I hate)

But, I do think you are seeing a good number of people saying it online.

That's only after the CEO died, not before... unless if people did say it before he died than my bad. I just wonder as to why people only wait until after the person in power dies to then talk about how they are glad for them dying but this just comes back to what you said in your first paragraph about fear.

 

[Chinaski]

Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl.

Nope, it makes sense to say this more often tbh, imo ignore the post you're replying to on the basis of it being so very American imo

 

[untothedepths]

i dont like people being killed but with how shit my country is going im not surprised. keep pushing and fucking with people, some might fuck around and dont care to find out.

 

[Chinaski]

i dont like people being killed

Same and this is why healthcare profiteers should be made extinct

 

[belly.up4good]

100% this death will not change anything practically.

I think it's largely symbolic. It doesn't so much matter if the shooter had good reason or if the CEO was actually the worst of the worst or if the CEO was a strategically sound target or if anything will change. What matters is that someone got fed up with the powerful and actually put it all on the line to take an actual action. I don't think it's specifically about healthcare. I think it's about people feeling constantly like they are small and have no say in many, many aspects of life, while people with the resources to live many lifetimes without working have all the say in other peoples' lives, not just their own. This is a bit of saying "I don't care. I don't care about your rules, or typical notions of morality. I don't care if it ruins my life. I don't care if it changes anything. Fuck you. You might seem all powerful but you're made of meat like the rest of us, and I'm taking one of you with me."

Definitely a symbol, people are looking for that right now, it's hard times, dark times, uncertainty. The people need hope.