Let talk about euthanasia: Why doesn't the government do euthanasia clinics for people who want to ctb?

[misthios2040]

My answer: Dead people can't pay their taxes. That's why the government does not euthanize its people. We are just pawns of capitalism and a cog in the machine of democracy. The dead can't be obedient taxpayers who fuel the economy and are productive members of society.

 

[throneofdispair03]

Cause the government doesn't wanna pay to lose their paying costumers. Just like you said, dead people cannot pay their taxes. Capitalism!

 

[hikikomorizombie]

religion, $, close mindedness, savior complex, & general stupidity

 

[theboy]

Because life is supposed to have value

 

[Tinkerer]

I am not sure. Perhaps it is due to religion, generations of CTB being taboo, and other such things that have led people to be repulsed by the topic. Of course, you can't forget the whole "white knight" thing. They believe that people should be forced to live, even if their situation is terrible, because it's somehow better than death. Personally, I believe that if we have the right to life, it's only logical that we have the right to death as well.

 

[misthios2040]

Because life is supposed to have value

Couldn't people benefit from a population control where those who do not want to live can pass away on their own terms and not use up valuable resources that are limited or depleted. Idk I think the government would make a lot of money if they charged people to ctb. It's not like governments have shy away from killing peoples. Some countries even practice forced sterilization to control its over population issue. I can understand that people may not have the money to pay for euthanasia but perhaps it could be included in a universal healthcare plan. That ctb was a basic human right given to all.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Because once people realise we're in a prison, but the door has been left unlocked…. How many people are going to willingly choose to stay in that prison when they could just easily walk out?

If your game now relies on people self-imposing their own incarceration and slavery, you're in a bit of trouble ideologically I would suggest.

They're fearful it may become a popular choice. Which says a lot about the game they're running here…

 

[username90493486]

I think they just want to minimize death. I don't agree at all, but I don't think it's all about money or religion, at least outside the US.

 

[theboy]

Couldn't people benefit from a population control where those who do not want to live can pass away on their own terms and not use up valuable resources that are limited or depleted. Idk I think the government would make a lot of money if they charged people to ctb. It's not like givers have shy away from killing peoples. Some countries even practice forced sterilization to control its over population issue.

There are many variables. One can even talk about capitalism or that people simply do not understand that there are people who want to die and do not need to give such strong reasons. Just the desire

 

[misthios2040]

There are many variables. One can even talk about capitalism or that people simply do not understand that there are people who want to die and do not need to give such strong reasons. Just the desire

I understand and I like how you worded it. I just think euthanasia clinics are the logical choice. Government wouldn't have to charge people, but they still will benefit financially because that's one less person contributing to the use of resources. I think someone else said this which I found poignant that death should be a basic human right.

 

[theboy]

I understand and I like how you worded it. I just think euthanasia clinics are the logical choice. Government wouldn't have to charge people, but they still will benefit financially because that's one less person contributing to the use of resources. I think someone else said this which I found poignant that death should be a basic human right.

Yes, you are right. I just know that in some countries it is legal under certain rules but it is still legitimate. Hopefully it will be applied in more countries.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because they need slaves of course, I believe that's the reason why they wish to make existence into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape. The absence of euthanasia is beyond unacceptable to me, I find it so incredibly hellish how we cannot just all have the option to die in a peaceful way, it's like we are being punished all because other people were selfish enough to procreate.

 

[The Schizoid]

I think part of it may unfortunately be that they're afraid of vulnerable people being taken advantage of and negative social backlash.

 

[Forever Sleep]

negative social backlash.

I think this is a big element. I agree with the financial motivations too but there's also the element that an awful lot of people won't want their loved ones killing themselves. They might be compassionate enough to let them go if they are elderly and in chronic pain but if it's something they don't understand and don't really have time for- eg. mental illness- they likely won't be so supportive. Look at the backlash when people do kill themselves. They're trying to sue and blame everyone under the sun.

Of course, if it were legalised, hopefully it would open up people's minds more and they would be having these difficult conversations with loved ones and hopefully see where they're coming from.

 

[26mmmm]

My answer: Dead people can't pay their taxes. That's why the government does not euthanize its people. We are just pawns of capitalism and a cog in the machine of democracy. The dead can't be obedient taxpayers who fuel the economy and are productive members of society.

One reason is probably because its hard to regulate.

You can't make it accessible to everyone because that would lead to many impulsive and unnecessary suicides.

It would be hard to limit that from happening, you dont know who's just acting on emotions and being impulsive and who's acting on logic.

Some people might stand a chance in life if they push through tough times, but giving them an easy suicide as an option could easily lead to impulsive and irrational suicides.

Im talking specifically about people who would choose to keep living if they knew things could get better.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

The government wants slaves and people who can work for them.

You can't make it accessible to everyone because that would lead to many impulsive and unnecessary suicides.

No it wouldn't. It's already acknowledged that people who kill themselves are in the minority. It's cognitive dissonance to claim that the minority are suicidal whilst believing that making suicide available for everybody would kill off a lot of people. Suicide would still be rare as many people still want to live. Many people are extremely pro life to where they lock up the ones who get caught trying to kill themselves so I doubt that making suicide accessible would do the things that you say

 

[26mmmm]

The government wants slaves and people who can work for them.

No it wouldn't. It's already acknowledged that people who kill themselves are in the minority. It's cognitive dissonance to claim that the minority are suicidal whilst believing that making suicide available for everybody would kill off a lot of people. Suicide would still be rare as many people still want to live. Many people are extremely pro life to where they lock up the ones who get caught trying to kill themselves so I doubt that making suicide accessible would do the things that you say

Regardless of how many people commit suicide, making it more easily accessible will lead to alot more people committing suicide.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Regardless of how many people commit suicide, making it more easily accessible will lead to alot more people committing suicide.

I'd personally rather have that than have people live against their obligation. Yes, it's brutal to think about but, unfortunately, life is brutal and some people just suffer more than others. Keeping people alive against their will isn't making their suffering any less severe

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Regardless of how many people commit suicide, making it more easily accessible will lead to alot more people committing suicide.

Fyi every human will die no matter what whether they commit suicide or not all will die anyway

It's no one else's business what I and another adult individual both mutually agree to do voluntarily that only affects us 2 involved in the transaction. If I want a Dr Kevorkian or Kenneth law to assist me with my suicide it should be no one else's business

It's beyond evil that the nonconsensual act of birth is legal while the consensual of assisted suicide is a crime. : this is the evil state of the world

 

[misthios2040]

I feel that i may have opened up a can of worms with this topic. Now, i'm regretting my choices about making this post.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I think I brought up the possibility a looooong time ago but if this were the case, there's a small chance that not everybody who uses these euthanasia chambers would actually be there because they really want to CTB. Some people could potentially be getting blackmailed, bullied, or otherwise coerced into euthanizing themselves and that would probably be a huge legal headache when it comes to who should be charged for murder in that case. All it takes is one mob boss to say "'ey we need ya to stop interfering wit our business so yer choice is to either check yourself into dis here suicide booth or else we kill your little puppy".

 

[jayturner245]

Because life is supposed to have value

Even the life of a child rapist and murderer?

 

[absntaknwldgmnt]

in the US there are some states that have passed a kind of Death with Dignity right for their citizens. Only can be used by the terminally ill and is a medical assisted suicide, so under the direction of a doctor. But it seems like people are able to take a cocktail of lethal poisons in their own homes. How to Die In Oregon is a good documentary outlining the practice, both the good and the bad aspects of it. Like one woman had terminal cancer and elected to die peacefully in her home with her family and another man had cancer and his insurance said they would stop paying for his treatment but would pay for a suicide cocktail.

 

[theboy]

Even the life of a child rapist and murderer?

Of corse not

 

[ayb]

One reason is probably because its hard to regulate.

You can't make it accessible to everyone because that would lead to many impulsive and unnecessary suicides.

It would be hard to limit that from happening, you dont know who's just acting on emotions and being impulsive and who's acting on logic.

Some people might stand a chance in life if they push through tough times, but giving them an easy suicide as an option could easily lead to impulsive and irrational suicides.

Im talking specifically about people who would choose to keep living if they knew things could get better.

This is true. The solution is to regulate it stringently, not keep it banned. A lengthy waiting period of a year, and mental capacity/competence tests to make sure the decision is truly voluntary and not coerced.

 

[Homo erectus]

Healthcare is a big business. In the U.S. it's reaching 20% GDP. When people have money to spend on medicine, they feel superior and in control of their life. Both sides are happy. It's a win-win situation. Suicidal people are outliers.

https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4204

 

[Little_Suzy]

The establishment of euthanasia clinics is not the responsibility of the government due to the potential for abuse and meritless legal action.

How can government euthanasia clinics accommodate survival instinct, the main reason people don't commit suicide?

If you want to die, you must do it yourself.

 

[ayb]

The establishment of euthanasia clinics is not the responsibility of the government due to the potential for abuse and meritless legal action.

How can government euthanasia clinics accommodate survival instinct, the main reason people don't commit suicide?

If you want to die, you must do it yourself.

That I disagree with as it's working fine in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland with mental capacity evaluations beforehand and a certain considerable waiting period

They will never let people die of their own accord without assistance, why have the SN and N vendors been taken down if this was the case? Hence we need legal and regulated euthanasia with strong safeguards

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

Because they need slaves of course, I believe that's the reason why they wish to make existence into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape. The absence of euthanasia is beyond unacceptable to me, I find it so incredibly hellish how we cannot just all have the option to die in a peaceful way, it's like we are being punished all because other people were selfish enough to procreate.

THIS. My mother got repeatedly knocked up without birth control and was very selfish. Dad was so self centered he didn't pay any child support. They were both pathetic.

What everyone has said about clinics being not available widely - because we are cogs in a machine. I'm running out of money so honestly don't know how much of a life without any sense of stability is possible. But yes, capitalism is about destroying people to sell to rich people.

 

[SoulCage]

Doctors and scientists argue that wanting to CTB is a malfunction in our brain and from a scientific standpoint I kinda agree? Our species has no reason to self-destruct.
That's why there is a common believe that it's a fixable condition and society wants you to live, because we are social animals that have higher chance of survival in a community. "Apes strong together". And in modern society, it means that we have to contribute to keep the whole system running: staying alive to pay taxes, to consume and to create replacement cogs for the system. I agree with previous comments: society doesn't want to lose people because it affects the balance.

That being said... I don't think it's okay for society to decide whether someone wants to exist or not and also it's not okay to block the methods that end suffering peacefully.
Survival has become fair, but also extremely complex. What I mean with "fair": our advancements made it possible to give more humans born a shot at life. We have social rules/laws and health benefits that keep us alive longer. But it also made it more complex and stressful and what if I don't want that. I don't want to contribute to society when it means I have to suffer. I am above my animal brain that says I need to continue creating more life.

I am glad that, at least in some parts of the world, society is already helping terminally ill people to end their suffering. I hope that someday it will also be possible for us who made a conscious decision to not participate in this pointless growth-focused world.