Discussion Is something very wrong with P.N.?

[Arak]

Personally I have an issue with doctors in general.

Here a message from him that suggests he is a creep. https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

'To improve advice, Exit urges those members planning to use the readily available inorganic salts (sodium nitrite or sodium azide) to end their lives to record their deaths and arrange for the film to be returned to '
Who the hell asks for such a thing ?

 

[Miss clefable]

A mad scientist

 

[Redt2go]

Personally I have an issue with doctors in general.

Here a message from him that suggests he is a creep. https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

'To improve advice, Exit urges those members planning to use the readily available inorganic salts (sodium nitrite or sodium azide) to end their lives to record their deaths and arrange for the film to be returned to '
Who the hell asks for such a thing ?

I guess it's for the community but I think itsi weird bc of the way that he asked

 

[borntodie777]

Personally I have an issue with doctors in general.

Here a message from him that suggests he is a creep. https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

'To improve advice, Exit urges those members planning to use the readily available inorganic salts (sodium nitrite or sodium azide) to end their lives to record their deaths and arrange for the film to be returned to '
Who the hell asks for such a thing ?

Maybe he wants to improve and suggest better methods to future suicidal people. A bit crass on his end but you'll understand if you look at it from his pov.

We wouldn't have known about current method if we hadn't recorded past suicidal people and what worked and didn't work for them.

It's in poor taste but still..

 

[DeadlyLiving]

Well, if we want to have more data about methods and such, someone has to be the lab rat

 

[21Neberg]

Well, if we want to have more data about methods and such, someone has to be the lab rat

On the other hand though, didn't we have a thread about this yesterday or the day before about creeps getting off to seeing people CTB?

 

[borntodie777]

On the other hand though, didn't we have a thread about this yesterday or the day before about creeps getting off to seeing people CTB?

The entire culture of liveleak and 4chan is based on watching people die. Some people enjoy that kind of stuff and encourage it.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

Perhaps he's become numb after working in the field for so many years, because I regard that as insensitive as hell. Maybe his intentions are good, but he is talking like suicidal people are robots or guinea pigs, not to say that the thing is macabre.

 

[JazzyWolfWhistle]

Yeah, it's weird but I think many people here would like to know those things. I feel like I'm rooting for the supervilains now. But you're right, it's creepy.

 

[Gainax]

Personally I have an issue with doctors in general.

Here a message from him that suggests he is a creep. https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

'To improve advice, Exit urges those members planning to use the readily available inorganic salts (sodium nitrite or sodium azide) to end their lives to record their deaths and arrange for the film to be returned to '
Who the hell asks for such a thing ?

Wouldn't you like to see videos of former SS member who ctb with SN?

 

[Arak]

respect ...

I would like data, but I think the way he asked was creepy.

 

[Chinaski]

Personally I have an issue with doctors in general.

Here a message from him that suggests he is a creep. https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

'To improve advice, Exit urges those members planning to use the readily available inorganic salts (sodium nitrite or sodium azide) to end their lives to record their deaths and arrange for the film to be returned to '
Who the hell asks for such a thing ?

Yeah. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the guy is more concerned with shifting units of his book than pretty much anything else, but this is openly exploitative and, frankly, appalling conduct imo.

STAGE 1: SN is great, I've just poisoned a pig, he didn't seem to complain. Hope you like your bacon cured! Stay tuned, don't forget to like and subscribe.

STAGE 2: Here's what you've all been waiting for! SN folks, now in the PPH. Hope you continue to show your appreciation for all our in-depth work and research by filling out this quick and easy bank transfer.

STAGE 3: Ongoing research into SN, stay tuned for further expensive updates to the pph, each will contain a grainy, photoshopped image of an SN corpse. Could you be our lucky winner? Please send 50 dollars with a video of you in your excruciating death throes to 'PPH SN Prize Draw', the one we can edit to look the most peaceful will be crowned our Subscriber of the Month!

 

[Gainax]

His reputation is forever damaged in the Establishment, he will never get a job in something normal, the governments, Church and society in general hate him, if he has to make extra money in books or any other way ill fully support him as long as hes providing reliable methods\information, and dont forget suicide as become a lot more easy to research thanks to him

 

[WayOut]

The problem is that PN started promoting this as a new "peaceful pill" more than 12 months ago. It followed an announcement by CKW in The Netherlands that they had found a new means of suicide. (google it) They refused to publicly name the substance because it was too early.

PH found out, and immediately wrote a hasty, completely flawed entry into the PPeH and promoted the shit out of it to sell subscriptions. Now, well over a year later, and after several rewrites of the Lethal Salts section, he is finally looking to research the method.

He's not creepy like a suicide junkie who gets off with suicide. Rather, he is a mercenary sociopath wanting above all to make money, and doesn't care how he does it. Not very impressive, imo.

It is no different from his forum, when he announced a promising new supplier, Patrick, and asked members to order, get it tested, then give the results to Exit. How pathetic is that? Wanting members to incur the expense, so if it panned out he would stick it in an update of the PPeH and flog the dicovery for more money on the back of a "new EU based supplier". This is on top of the fact that what he asked was illegal. He fucked up badly, and has now taken his forum down.

 

[Chinaski]

His reputation is forever damaged in the Establishment, he will never get a job in something normal, the governments, Church and society in general hate him, if he has to make extra money in books or any other way ill fully support him as long as hes providing reliable methods\information, and dont forget suicide as become a lot more easy to research thanks to him

I'm not sure what reliable info he's putting out there that wasn't available elsewhere apart from the contact details of a drug dealer tbh. Obviously SN is the latest means of keeping the show on the road, and the Suicide Orgasmatron Machine will be available very soon, but this is a guy who can't even pick a consistent position on anti-emetics. He's changed it three times in three months.

The main value of the PPH atm is to act as a middleman to a drug trafficking operation. This is absolutely fine, but I'm way past pretending that it's anything more than a cynical cash cow.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

His reputation is forever damaged in the Establishment, he will never get a job in something normal, the governments, Church and society in general hate him, if he has to make extra money in books or any other way ill fully support him as long as hes providing reliable methods\information, and dont forget suicide as become a lot more easy to research thanks to him

You're right. But I still think the guy has come across the subject in a very ill manner. We all want that info, but there are ways to approach it. I'd guess the same sort of thing happens with psychologists/psychiatrists (not all of them, surely): they study the subject with a genuine wish to help people, but after years working in the field, they start seeing all their patients like numbers.

 

[Gainax]

Suicide is a taboo and assisting it will ruin any doctor life, how can he get the most reliable information\method without going to jail?
He is counting on the help of his exit members and perhaps people like us, its all experimental

 

[Chinaski]

Suicide is a taboo and assisting it will ruin any doctor life, how can he get the most reliable information\method without going to jail?
He is counting on the help of his exit members and perhaps people like us, its all experimental

But he's already pitching SN as reliable and relatively peaceful without a great deal of research evidence to back this up, flogging the PPH with this essential update for a year, then asking suicidal people to send in actual videos of them utilising this method so he can do further research into the method he's already pitched with glowing reviews.

His last PPH update contained a brand new chapter on vomiting. People paid good money to read him significantly shift position on anti emetics without explaining why and the BRAND NEW SUGGESTION of, er, smoking a spliff if you can't get meto. It's absolutely ridiculous to support someone who clearly cares so little about the quality of his output.

 

[WayOut]

The main value of the PPH atm is to act as a middleman to a drug trafficking operation.

Yes, but that's the heart of his problem. He only has one supplier left, A. Let's face it, the value of the PPeH is in genuine suppliers of N. Nothing more. All the rest is padding. Now he's down to one supplier.

Therefore, either 1. He needs to find more suppliers, or 2. He needs a substitute for N. The substitute was SN. Except, it's not a substitute for N at all.

He's fucked up so much recently. He let that scammer who was here briefly, sanctionedsuicide, get onto his forum, and even possibly become a mod. He compromised the private data based on IDs supplied by all the 9000 forum members who have come and gone from his forum over the past 6 years or so.

 

[mattwitt]

He's probably getting a LOT of questions and maybe some complaints about SN ( I found this SS site myself searching for more information about the SN method that I found out about in his 2018 print edition of the pph ) As far as I know they have only produced one SN suicide case study that I would not consider a universal case study for everyone at all. So far the ppeh has changed at least a couple of things about the SN method regiment this year.

I stopped writing because I just realized what if PN started pushing SN as a peaceful and reliable way to end one's life because he couldn't find any actual SN suicide case studies on record and needed some for his book, website, and seminars !!! EVIL BASTARD !!! lol

 

[WayOut]

I stopped writing because I just realized what if PN started pushing SN because he didn't have any actual case studies on record and needed some !!! FUCKING BASTARD !!!

Yep. This.

 

[Gainax]

Nembutal is a proven method because dignitas use it with meto but this is not possible for a large majority , an alternative is inert gases and his beer company facilitate the process..with a cost.
But the rest is just guess work ..much like the new Butanediol Mega Thread

I believe his appeal to exit members for providing videos from all over the world will give a better understanding on how peaceful and reliable SN truly is, the money stuff...im willing to pay (but i dont) to help with his bills.

 

[WayOut]

I believe his appeal to exit members for providing videos from all over the world will give a better understanding on how peaceful and reliable SN truly is

You're missing the point.

 

[Worsethangarbage]

Dunno man, I just think he's someone obsessed with it. Tbh, I won't care about testing something on free volunteers if it helps my research. That's what he is doing. Using people as scrapegoats. Can't say it's ethical or fair.

 

[Gainax]

Unless there is another world war with Australia trying to conquer the world and PN given authority to experiment on Australia´s 1th Reich prisoners...i dont see any other way.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Yes, he's quite clearly mad as a bucket full of snakes. Bet you'd all still read the accounts though. Me too. Being suicidal, at least for me, creates a huge double standard.

 

[Xerxes]

I bet he watches this group to see if any of us has succeeded or came up with better methods so that he can monetize them in his next book.

 

[WayOut]

I bet he watches this group to see if any of us has succeeded or came up with better methods so that he can monetize them in his next book.

He and his staff do indeed watch this group, but not primarily to steal ideas. He doesn't need to do that. He watches to keep an eye on people here who have said they are on his forum, which incidentally was "temporarily" closed a short while ago. He doesn't like anyone talking about what went on there.

 

[creationisdeath]

But he's already pitching SN as reliable and relatively peaceful without a great deal of research evidence to back this up, flogging the PPH with this essential update for a year, then asking suicidal people to send in actual videos of them utilising this method so he can do further research into the method he's already pitched with glowing reviews.

His last PPH update contained a brand new chapter on vomiting. People paid good money to read him significantly shift position on anti emetics without explaining why and the BRAND NEW SUGGESTION of, er, smoking a spliff if you can't get meto. It's absolutely ridiculous to support someone who clearly cares so little about the quality of his output.

Exactly. How can he live with this? He's pushing and marketing a method he's not even sure about yet? Disgusting human waste.

Nembutal is a proven method because dignitas use it with meto but this is not possible for a large majority , an alternative is inert gases and his beer company facilitate the process..with a cost.
But the rest is just guess work ..much like the new Butanediol Mega Thread

I believe his appeal to exit members for providing videos from all over the world will give a better understanding on how peaceful and reliable SN truly is, the money stuff...im willing to pay (but i dont) to help with his bills.

HIS beer company?

 

[Chinaski]

I bet he watches this group to see if any of us has succeeded or came up with better methods so that he can monetize them in his next book.

In that case, I've been injecting Toilet Duck into the eyeballs of cattle for the past few days and have noticed they pass without so much as a whimper. It's even better if you smoke a spliff beforehand.

(That'll be 2.5% of all profit in the next PPH update Phil, if you're reading, cheers m8)