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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Apr 30, 2024
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Do NOT discontinue your valium or temazepam .....and on the night..... get the nasty stuff down then save half of a new script to put you out. Regards the Paracetamal/codeine pills, too much paracetamal makes you feel like crap so be prudent with it.
Thanks so much. Any advice on the right amount of Valium??? I can't seem to find a definitive answer on how much to take, when to take, whether current usage affects the amount, how much makes you vomit & the timing in regards to SN, particularly if you plan to do a second cup of SN. I definitely want to be calm but the priority is success so I can't afford to vomit or fall asleep. . I weigh 53 kilos & "think" my organs already have a fair amount of damage from prescription meds & genetics.
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks again - I really really really didn't plan to still be here & I really hate that I am…
 
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k1w1

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Feb 16, 2022
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Have a read of the PPEh which is linked on this site. Valium doesnt make you vomit. If it was me......once I had the anti emetics sorted Id start relaxing myself. I believe its covered in a specific thread here, you have everything you need so it will work out.
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Have a read of the PPEh which is linked on this site. Valium doesnt make you vomit. If it was me......once I had the anti emetics sorted Id start relaxing myself. I believe its covered in a specific thread here, you have everything you need so it will work out.
Thanks - I really, really hope so. This has been a massive struggle for me. And continues to be, well past when I had hoped to go. Very disheartening. Not the decision, that was the easy part…. Thanks again.
 
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ms_beaverhousen

-Still terminal, but no less annoyed-
Mar 14, 2024
1,337
Don't know if this will interest you but, just as a layman, I am a strong advocate against lamotrigine and seroquel (except for use in schizophrenia and maybe not even then) because of their notorious bad side effects (some long term) of which I have experienced personally. I just think your quality of life using either or both of those meds will be reduced regardless of your present suicidality/depression and would always suggest to try other meds.
Just one opinion.
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Apr 30, 2024
617
Don't know if this will interest you but, just as a layman, I am a strong advocate against lamotrigine and seroquel (except for use in schizophrenia and maybe not even then) because of their notorious bad side effects (some long term) of which I have experienced personally. I just think your quality of life using either or both of those meds will be reduced regardless of your present suicidality/depression and would always suggest to try other meds.
Just one opinion.
Thank you.
I stopped the lamotrogine a while back.
And the seroquel has definitely completely fucked me over.
If I planned on living, there's no way I'd continue to take. If I had the fight in me, I'd probs sue the absolute shit out of some docs & pharma companies.
I was prescribed seroquel for insomnia (I've tried everything from proper compounded CBD oil to hypnotherapy, but because the insomnia has a physiological cause rather than a psychological one, it will not be tamed).
The psych's exact words were "no side effects".
None.
And I believed them.
This was a long time ago.
I would not recommend seroquel to anyone else, ever. I didn't take the Lamot long enough to have a strong opinion. I know one person who had great results. I had zero results, only side effects.
I have no depression at the moment or even, for quite a long while.
But the plan is to catch my bus.
I'm just really fucking late for it.
Thanks again though for taking the time.
 
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ms_beaverhousen

-Still terminal, but no less annoyed-
Mar 14, 2024
1,337
Thank you.
I stopped the lamotrogine a while back.
And the seroquel has definitely completely fucked me over.
If I planned on living, there's no way I'd continue to take. If I had the fight in me, I'd probs sue the absolute shit out of some docs & pharma companies.
I was prescribed seroquel for insomnia (I've tried everything from proper compounded CBD oil to hypnotherapy, but because the insomnia has a physiological cause rather than a psychological one, it will not be tamed).
The psych's exact words were "no side effects".
None.
And I believed them.
This was a long time ago.
I would not recommend seroquel to anyone else, ever. I didn't take the Lamot long enough to have a strong opinion. I know one person who had great results. I had zero results, only side effects.
I have no depression at the moment or even, for quite a long while.
But the plan is to catch my bus.
I'm just really fucking late for it.
Thanks again though for taking the time.
That sounds good. I took lamotrigine for 18mo (give or take) and it took A LONG time to recover my memory and cognitive function to its "normal." My mother and grandmother were also prescribed seroquel (off-label) for "sleep." God, just because something causes drowsiness does not mean it should be used as a sedative. Dangerous ignorance... They're just starting to catch on how dangerous it is here and taking nursing homes off of it unless for intended specified use.
Wish I knew more about effective sleep aids but I have hypersomnia. Did ambien and that other popular one not work for you? Nor indica? I think all sleep aids are scary tbh. I know I drank cherry juice for my health one time and I swear it knocked me out. I want to say that made that in pill form but maybe I just made that up.

I had a lot of the same ctb questions as in your post, but I think I got most of them answered using the search bar. Think there's always going to be left over questions that can't really be answered because everything is so individualized to each person's situation and accessibility that the anxiety of not knowing the "outcome" will never really let us feel settled. Is what I've found at least. I'm a total dum-dum btw.

No need to reply! unless you just want to. I totally get how hard and difficult it is to portray your mind on text, both mentally and physically. 👍💛
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

Wizard
Apr 30, 2024
617
That sounds good. I took lamotrigine for 18mo (give or take) and it took A LONG time to recover my memory and cognitive function to its "normal." My mother and grandmother were also prescribed seroquel (off-label) for "sleep." God, just because something causes drowsiness does not mean it should be used as a sedative. Dangerous ignorance... They're just starting to catch on how dangerous it is here and taking nursing homes off of it unless for intended specified use.
I've never been a conspiracy type person until Big Pharma…
Wish I knew more about effective sleep aids but I have hypersomnia. Did ambien and that other popular one not work for you? Nor indica? I think all sleep aids are scary tbh. I know I drank cherry juice for my health one time and I swear it knocked me out. I want to say that made that in pill form but maybe I just made that up.
I've tried literally everything. It really seems to depend on your endocrine system & the root cause of the insomnia. And what is healthy or legal or available for long term use.
I had a lot of the same ctb questions as in your post, but I think I got most of them answered using the search bar.
I think I posted this as soon as I joined.
I didn't have the search bar function at the start & didn't even know there was one.
I believed at the time that I only had a few weeks to CTB & and was so anxious & desperate.
I did lean very heavily on the community which shames me. To be lazy or perceived as lazy.
I've done my best to repay the community & "believe" I have done so.
I'll still need more help / I'll still help other people.
My plans slowed down but my bus is still coming.
Think there's always going to be left over questions that can't really be answered because everything is so individualized to each person's situation and accessibility that the anxiety of not knowing the "outcome" will never really let us feel settled. Is what I've found at least.
Me too.
I'm a total dum-dum btw.
Me too 🤣

Best of luck with your bus or your recovery.
 
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Fate

Nothingness is blissful
Aug 10, 2024
146
Question, have you managed to get your AEs?
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

Wizard
Apr 30, 2024
617
Question, have you managed to get your AEs?
Answer, yes I have 🤣
I got Prochlorperazine - there was no way I'd get meto with the meds I take.
Are you looking for AE? I got mine semi-legit 😳as in a prescription from a GP with a minimal fib. I've seen the outright lies people tell to get meto & the online pharmacies that deliver to AU (not judging at all, we do what we have to at this point…). But because I take a zillion meds, I did an online drug interaction checker first, before doc. It said severe interactions / red & the one I got was moderate / amber. If I'd asked for meto, I wouldn't have gotten, if I'd pushed for it, it would've been suspicious AF.
 
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Halfhourdays

Mage
Mar 14, 2025
592
1. I do not live in Australia so this question is a bit difficult for me to answer, generally though missing person reports on adults take quite a long time to even begin to investigate.

2. It makes a moderate amount of noise, but you can mitigate it. You may potentially vomit at some point, and you will likely seize. If you want to avoid loud noises, I would suggest laying yourself on the ground in the recovery position (on your side, face pointed towards the ground to avoid aspiration) to avoid the sound of you falling out of a chair or bed if the seizures are severe.

3 and 4. I do not have much experience with actually testing SN samples, but the instructions on the test should be pretty clear. If you got your stuff from DMC, it is very likely to be pure, so I wouldn't concern yourself too much if you cannot figure out the testing.

5. Your antiemetic isn't the top choice, but it does have significant D2 activity which is the most important part of SN antiemetics. The drug strength is still likely intact for the most part. I'm not familiar with the dosing for the drug, but make sure to take enough to account for potential purity losses due to decomposition of the active ingredient.

6. Any kind of long-acting antacid combined with a short acting antacid on the day of will work. Sodium Bicarbonate for the short-acting, and I'm not sure what long-acting medications exist in Australia, but your chemist would probably know.

7. In terms of the sedative medications, I won't recommend a dosage but you should probably take a little more than what you would normally take to feel a strong sedative effect. In terms of the painkillers, take a minimal amount to knock out any headache or discomfort you might feel during the process. Don't bother with the migrane drugs. Also don't bother with the seroquel, it has the same underlying mechanism of action as the antiemetic plus a bunch of other random effects that could interfere with the process.

8. Discontinue all medications beyond the ones needed for the process.

9. The best way to kill SI is the aforementioned sedative medications.

10. I have no advice for frame of mind. It is your decision to make, if you feel it is right than you will make it.

11. Fear of the unknown is natural. If you're feeling discomfort day-to-day, you can always take some of your sedative medication, as you seem to have enough.

12. You can continue your anticonvulsants to potentially offset seizure risk, the sedatives will also counter it. The seizures with SN typically occur after the onset of unconsciousness, as the brain is oxygen starved and cells are dying. It shouldn't be painful for that reason.

13. Use the PPH Protocol for SN, it is somewhere in the suicide megathreads sticky. Replace the meto with the proper dosages of your chosen antiemetic, and take the sedatives and painkillers in the dosages you desire the day of an hour or two before SN ingestion.

14. I didn't notice anything you are overlooking

15. Unsuccessful attempts are rare unless you are discovered. If you are stopped or it does not succeed, you are extremely unlikely to end up with neurological damage.
16. Don't drink alcohol. It slows gastric emptying and increases your vomiting risk.

17. No, making the drink isn't difficult. Follow the dosing guide on the sticky, and dissolve it in around 50ml of water. If you aren't exact on the water, it really doesn't matter.
18. Unconsciousness times vary wildly, typically it is within 30 minutes to 2 hours. Not as familiar with this part, but there's a lot of resources here.


Let me know if I can answer anything else. I hope everything works out for you, one way or another.
Is OP still with us?
What happened with attempt? I'm curious how it feels to take SN if there's a failure.
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

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Apr 30, 2024
617
Is OP still with us?
What happened with attempt? I'm curious how it feels to take SN if there's a failure.
OP here.
No attempt so no technical failure. Except failure to launch. I've stuck around a lot longer than planned & it gives me great shame. I will still catch my bus, I just ran late.
No surprises there, I guess.
I have seen many people come & go in that time - I believe the member you quoted has been gone quite a while. None of the people I've known here have had a fail, it's been one success right after the other. Heartbreaking, yet encouraging, yet shame-making about my lack of attempt. The only people I've seen here have any kind of fail has been the benzo's hitting so hard & quick, they've been knocked out before ingesting the SN, potentially using their entire benzo stash. And in the threads on fail, it's mostly been related to being found too early or calling for help when SI kicks in. (And some clearly fake reports, I will not name any).
So removing human error, I've not seen any SN fails. I just worry about this particular human's potential for error, not any errors in the protocol or the method. Best of luck to you.
 
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Halfhourdays

Mage
Mar 14, 2025
592
OP here.
No attempt so no technical failure. Except failure to launch. I've stuck around a lot longer than planned & it gives me great shame. I will still catch my bus, I just ran late.
No surprises there, I guess.
I have seen many people come & go in that time - I believe the member you quoted has been gone quite a while. None of the people I've known here have had a fail, it's been one success right after the other. Heartbreaking, yet encouraging, yet shame-making about my lack of attempt. The only people I've seen here have any kind of fail has been the benzo's hitting so hard & quick, they've been knocked out before ingesting the SN, potentially using their entire benzo stash. And in the threads on fail, it's mostly been related to being found too early or calling for help when SI kicks in. (And some clearly fake reports, I will not name any).
So removing human error, I've not seen any SN fails. I just worry about this particular human's potential for error, not any errors in the protocol or the method. Best of luck to you.
Glad you're still with us. Happy Caturday tomorrow to you, sir. 1000000264
 
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DOHARDTHINGS24

Wizard
Apr 30, 2024
617
Glad you're still with us. Happy Caturday tomorrow to you, sir.View attachment 162700
Thank you.
Not a sir, but please don't correct to "ma'am" - it may be more accurate, but it's a fucking awful term 🤢.
I'm just a chick, that often gets mistaken for a dude. Here on the forum, not IRL 🤣🤞 but have zero issues with that.
I'm too old to have been caught up in all the gendered terms stuff, not minimising anyone else, just saying it doesn't trigger me & I refer to most people here as they because I don't have the time or capacity to remember everyone's pronouns, but also never want to be disrespectful & "they" seems accepted by people here. I hope. I often have poor communication but not poor intent.
Just addressing because I'm literal & in case you see it mentioned elsewhere & it makes you uncomfortable.
Thanks for the memes.

Annnddd just realised you may not have been literal with the sir, rendering my response pointless. It may have already been pointless. I am often pointless. I'm gonna hit post & back away slowly 🤦‍♀️
 
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