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Doctors are not perfect. Finding the right doctor is more of an artform then a clear cut process. But I'm going to listen to medical professionals who dedicate their lives to health studies, years of schooling and practice, before I listen to people who spend a couple hours here and there reading articles and magazines.
I rather let you run wild with that one without me
Needforrelief and stygal are right. Doctors aren't exactly used to help us in the way we're supposed to think they are. You have a doctor defending thier job before you have a doctor defending the good welfare of the people. Doctors are like anyone else, they can be bought and manipulated to an agenda. Are all doctors bad. No. But how do you discern a lying talking head over a physician who not only got better grades but is telling the truth?
I've been homeless for 3 years off and on. 4 days ago I was flagged at the shelter for being close contact to somebody covid positive. 3 days ago I was tested and it came back positive. They put me in a motel room for a 14 day isolation.
Of course I'm not lucky enough to have this virus kill me. I feel fine. I know it's a horrible way to go but at least the option to back out would of been removed.
I'm going to relax in this room and then hang myself before they kick me out back to the streets.
At least I get three shitty meals delivered to my door everyday and I can have 10 hot baths a day.
That goes without saying. Nobody here wants to see anybody in a bad spot. However this entire thing does raise strange questions. The safety of all users is in everyones mind, or it should be but people are who they are. This is kinda the question here though. Is there a place for this in ss without taking away from op, or anyone else. Also in the last few moments many have been lost and are hurt. Its a blessing to be able to back up people who are having a tuff time with life instead of thinking about the people who dont know about places like this or dont have any access to any support of any kind in thier time of need.
Yea I didn't post to debate the legitimacy of this virus. Trust me, I live with insane people at homeless shelters, if I want to talk about conspiracies and secret agendas, I know where to go haha. I don't believe everything I read either but debating these things never produce anything but toxic conversation and pointless squabbles between somebody you actually might like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, none of us are obligated to defend ours to anybody we don't want to.
I appreciate the people just showing support though, thanks guys :)
Yea I didn't post to debate the legitimacy of this virus. Trust me, I live with insane people at homeless shelters, if I want to talk about conspiracies and secret agendas, I know where to go haha. I don't believe everything I read either but debating these things never produce anything but toxic conversation and pointless squabbles between somebody you actually might like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, none of us are obligated to defend ours to anybody we don't want to.
I appreciate the people just showing support though, thanks guys :)
Every homeless person I've ever met seems to be extremely intelligent and expressive for some reason. I've had better treatment in homeless shelters when I've volunteered in them than any place else actually.
Every homeless person I've ever met seems to be extremely intelligent and expressive for some reason. I've had better treatment in homeless shelters when I've volunteered in them than any place else actually.
Much appreciated! Despite the feeling that I'm not where I'm supposed to be, I acknowledge my mistakes have lead me here. I didn't lose my house in a fire or anything, I just have horrible money management skills and never really valued money. I don't have any addictions, maybe some undiagnosed mental issues, but I'm not crazy enough to think this is anybody's fault but my own. I'm paying now for my mistakes earlier in life. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, I have summer work lined up. I've just gone through the cycle of success and failure so often I struggle to remain optimistic.
Homeless people are extremely down to earth. There are bad apples, lots of them in fact, but plenty of reasonable people who have bad luck or made understandble mistakes. We have a lot of time to reflect on life. You get to know yourself real well when your main focus is daily survival instead of finding a way to entertain yourself.
Thank you for putting in time and effort to volunteering. We rely on good hearted people like yourself!
I'm curious about catching Covid just so I can get the symptoms of not tasting anything and see if that works better with SN or not. The chances of that is still low because I may get other unwanted symptoms such as hacking up a lung or drowning in my own mucus. Sorry you're here, make the best of it in the hotel, 14 days will go by quickly.
Much appreciated! Despite the feeling that I'm not where I'm supposed to be, I acknowledge my mistakes have lead me here. I didn't lose my house in a fire or anything, I just have horrible money management skills and never really valued money. I don't have any addictions, maybe some undiagnosed mental issues, but I'm not crazy enough to think this is anybody's fault but my own. I'm paying now for my mistakes earlier in life. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, I have summer work lined up. I've just gone through the cycle of success and failure so often I struggle to remain optimistic.
Homeless people are extremely down to earth. There are bad apples, lots of them in fact, but plenty of reasonable people who have bad luck or made understandble mistakes. We have a lot of time to reflect on life. You get to know yourself real well when your main focus is daily survival instead of finding a way to entertain yourself.
Thank you for putting in time and effort to volunteering. We rely on good hearted people like yourself!
I got more out of volunteering almost than anyone. I had been reading about people freezing to death in the city I lived in and had decided to go out on a cold night with some blankets, they were the silver foil kind provided by some government agency, a huge stack was loaded into my car and off I and "Cheese" went, driving all night to all the places the homeless were trying to live through the night. Cheese was a very good man.
His appearance was frightening but the smile on that handsome priest's face who loaded the blankets into my car that night, when I looked at Cheese and looked at the priest, was so beautiful and full of reassurance, I realized I had nothing to worry about with Cheese.
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I got more out of volunteering almost than anyone. I had been reading about people freezing to death in the city I lived in and had decided to go out on a cold night with some blankets, they were the silver foil kind provided by some government agency, a huge stack was loaded into my car and off I and "Cheese" went, driving all night to all the places the homeless were trying to live through the night. Cheese was a very good man.
That's a cool story, thanks for sharing. I also live where it's winter 80% of the year. It's the only reason I go to homeless shelters and don't just brush up on some outdoor skills and get a tent. Way too fucking cold here to see that as my best option. Some people do, but I can hold my own so the dangers of outside worry me more then the dangers of a shelter.
Every homeless person I've ever met seems to be extremely intelligent and expressive for some reason. I've had better treatment in homeless shelters when I've volunteered in them than any place else actually.
I too would not mind testing positive for Covid, it might be a painful end but it would bring about a natural death, which to me, is preferable to taking my life and ultimately what my goal is. However, whether I get it or not, I still have plans to end my life.
The only downside to getting Covid is the possibility that I might become a Typhoid Mary and unknowingly infect others who want to live. *shudders at the thought*
There could be other reasons for testing positive (eg., false positives). Unless there is verified data to back this statement up, personally, I would not claim this as fact until all data are available. A statement such as this has the potential to become inflammatory.
I too would not mind testing positive for Covid, it might be a painful end but it would bring about a natural death, which to me, is preferable to taking my life and ultimately what my goal is. However, whether I get it or not, I still have plans to end my life.
The only downside to getting Covid is the possibility that I might become a Typhoid Mary and unknowingly infect others who want to live. *shudders at the thought*
There could be other reasons for testing positive (eg., false positives). Unless there is verified data to back this statement up, personally, I would not claim this as fact until all data are available. A statement such as this has the potential to become inflammatory.
People will always gravitate to a answer they can either comprehend or agree with. I don't blame people for believing different theories about what's really going on, because nobody really does know. Official statements and protocols are subject to change at any moment.
The reality is, it's real. People are dying. Im surrounded by a extremely vulnerable demographic, the homeless. Focusing on the "who what when and why" of Covid is a rabbit hole that has little to no answers.
I rather discuss the social impact regarding those who suffer most from the lockdowns and restrictions. We have nowhere to go. Nowhere to sit and be productive or rest, nowhere to use the washrooms, nowhere to warm up, nowhere to use reliable wifi. I don't even want to tell you how many times I had to shit in a alley when everything was closed. That was in summer. If we experience another lockdown during the long harsh winter, a lot of people on the street will die.
It's a moral confliction I personally have. On one hand, I want to die...yet I spend a majority of my time focusing on survival. Life may not have much meaning to me, but I want my death to count for something at least. Maybe I don't make sense, I don't know. I've always struggled to make sense of my own points I try to make haha.
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Awww...that sucks man!
Hope you'll feel better soon.
At least you've got a spot to replenish your strength.
I got covid too atm and felt pretty terrible for the last four days - not dead either though.
Hopefully my taste and smell will come back otherwise just one more reason to off myself.
I've been homeless for 3 years off and on. 4 days ago I was flagged at the shelter for being close contact to somebody covid positive. 3 days ago I was tested and it came back positive. They put me in a motel room for a 14 day isolation.
Of course I'm not lucky enough to have this virus kill me. I feel fine. I know it's a horrible way to go but at least the option to back out would of been removed.
I'm going to relax in this room and then hang myself before they kick me out back to the streets.
At least I get three shitty meals delivered to my door everyday and I can have 10 hot baths a day.
"People will always gravitate to a answer they can either comprehend or agree with. I don't blame people for believing different theories about what's really going on, because nobody really does know. Official statements and protocols are subject to change at any moment." I so agree with everything you've said here. People do want answers, especially when faced with a potentially deadly disease where even the "experts" have no definitive answers and keep changing the protocols or SOPs they put in place to combat it. Different theories are a good thing IMO - I would say that they need to be based on documented evidence or observational evidence that shows a pattern, but in any situation one faces, the more knowledge you have, the better the outcome.
"The reality is, it's real. People are dying. Im surrounded by a extremely vulnerable demographic, the homeless. Focusing on the "who what when and why" of Covid is a rabbit hole that has little to no answers." Yes, it is real, I lost a distant family member to it. He was a first responder. Covid is very much a rabbit hole right now - great way to describe it. And the more fact-based information we can get, the more we will know about it and be able to aid those in the future - either in a what not to do way and/or a what to do way. I am sorry you went through this and are surrounded by this - it is hard to watch people hurting.
"I rather discuss the social impact regarding those who suffer most from the lockdowns and restrictions. We have nowhere to go. Nowhere to sit and be productive or rest, nowhere to use the washrooms, nowhere to warm up, nowhere to use reliable wifi. I don't even want to tell you how many times I had to shit in a alley when everything was closed. That was in summer. If we experience another lockdown during the long harsh winter, a lot of people on the street will die." This broke my heart to read. I am so very sorry you are experiencing this. It is one of the reasons I have decided to ctb. I will soon lose my home and be on the streets. I have no place to go or anyone to help, and at my age with my health already compromised, I am well aware it is a death sentence, a long tortuous one verses one I can control so I am choosing to leave this life before that happens. I cannot fathom why more empty hotels or other empty buildings (such as abandoned malls, etc.) have not been opened to aid those on the streets in such dire straights.
"It's a moral confliction I personally have. On one hand, I want to die...yet I spend a majority of my time focusing on survival. Life may not have much meaning to me, but I want my death to count for something at least. Maybe I don't make sense, I don't know. I've always struggled to make sense of my own points I try to make haha." You make sense to me and I think you are a voice for many who may not have the opportunity to speak for themselves because of their situation. That moral conviction you spoke of resonates so deeply with me. I live in a medium sized house and if foreclosure were not imminent, I would open my doors in a heartbeat to help others, no matter the risk to me. I would rather go down helping someone than drinking a cup of SN. <3
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"People will always gravitate to a answer they can either comprehend or agree with. I don't blame people for believing different theories about what's really going on, because nobody really does know. Official statements and protocols are subject to change at any moment." I so agree with everything you've said here. People do want answers, especially when faced with a potentially deadly disease where even the "experts" have no definitive answers and keep changing the protocols or SOPs they put in place to combat it. Different theories are a good thing IMO - I would say that they need to be based on documented evidence or observational evidence that shows a pattern, but in any situation one faces, the more knowledge you have, the better the outcome.
"The reality is, it's real. People are dying. Im surrounded by a extremely vulnerable demographic, the homeless. Focusing on the "who what when and why" of Covid is a rabbit hole that has little to no answers." Yes, it is real, I lost a distant family member to it. He was a first responder. Covid is very much a rabbit hole right now - great way to describe it. And the more fact-based information we can get, the more we will know about it and be able to aid those in the future - either in a what not to do way and/or a what to do way. I am sorry you went through this and are surrounded by this - it is hard to watch people hurting.
"I rather discuss the social impact regarding those who suffer most from the lockdowns and restrictions. We have nowhere to go. Nowhere to sit and be productive or rest, nowhere to use the washrooms, nowhere to warm up, nowhere to use reliable wifi. I don't even want to tell you how many times I had to shit in a alley when everything was closed. That was in summer. If we experience another lockdown during the long harsh winter, a lot of people on the street will die." This broke my heart to read. I am so very sorry you are experiencing this. It is one of the reasons I have decided to ctb. I will soon lose my home and be on the streets. I have no place to go or anyone to help, and at my age with my health already compromised, I am well aware it is a death sentence, a long tortuous one verses one I can control so I am choosing to leave this life before that happens. I cannot fathom why more empty hotels or other empty buildings (such as abandoned malls, etc.) have not been opened to aid those on the streets in such dire straights.
"It's a moral confliction I personally have. On one hand, I want to die...yet I spend a majority of my time focusing on survival. Life may not have much meaning to me, but I want my death to count for something at least. Maybe I don't make sense, I don't know. I've always struggled to make sense of my own points I try to make haha." You make sense to me and I think you are a voice for many who may not have the opportunity to speak for themselves because of their situation. That moral conviction you spoke of resonates so deeply with me. I live in a medium sized house and if foreclosure were not imminent, I would open my doors in a heartbeat to help others, no matter the risk to me. I would rather go down helping someone than drinking a cup of SN. <3
Thanks for the well thought out and meaningful reply! If you're facing homelessness and that's your sole reason for wanting to die, I can help you IF you want the help. I thought life was over when I became homeless. It's far from it. There are even some liberating things about it. I know plenty of people who choose the street life over the regular rat race everyone thinks they have to run. I mean, yes there is a lot that sucks, but there is a lot that sucks about regular life too.
For example, some people might feel bad for my situation, pity me even. Those same people might be tens of thousands of dollars in debt, spending most of their time woking a job they hate, focused on material things, and struggling to balance a million different things so their whole system doesn't collapse. The weight of all their responsibility slows cracks away at them while they convince themselves thats what they want. Maybe it's not, and you've just never seen a different option.
While me, I just gotta worry about survival. I know where they serve free meals, I know where is safe to stay, and everything I own I can carry with me. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm actively trying to escape this life, because it's not for me. I want a job, I want a place, I want to be able to pursue hobbies. My point is, homeless isn't rock bottom, you would be surprised how much comfort and peace you can find in the lifestyle.
It's all about perspective. If you wanna talk more about it, just let me know :)
Thanks for the well thought out and meaningful reply! If you're facing homelessness and that's your sole reason for wanting to die, I can help you IF you want the help. I thought life was over when I became homeless. It's far from it. There are even some liberating things about it. I know plenty of people who choose the street life over the regular rat race everyone thinks they have to run. I mean, yes there is a lot that sucks, but there is a lot that sucks about regular life too.
For example, some people might feel bad for my situation, pity me even. Those same people might be tens of thousands of dollars in debt, spending most of their time woking a job they hate, focused on material things, and struggling to balance a million different things so their whole system doesn't collapse. The weight of all their responsibility slows cracks away at them while they convince themselves thats what they want. Maybe it's not, and you've just never seen a different option.
While me, I just gotta worry about survival. I know where they serve free meals, I know where is safe to stay, and everything I own I can carry with me. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm actively trying to escape this life, because it's not for me. I want a job, I want a place, I want to be able to pursue hobbies. My point is, homeless isn't rock bottom, you would be surprised how much comfort and peace you can find in the lifestyle.
It's all about perspective. If you wanna talk more about it, just let me know :)
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