I have acquired both N and SN but neither are the holy grail

[John Ryder]

Just curious as to what your take on the article is. How long do you think liquid N would last in a sealed bottle?
I read in the article "Data illustrate that sodium pentobarbital was detectable up to 367 days in compose piles with no clear trend of concentration reduction" says Authors Payne et al., 2015. [5]. So does that mean it still stays intact for those amount of days in the dead animals?

Unopened? Well you didn't ask me but official expo is typically 2 yrs from manufacture and it's speculated with all the upkeep stuff - dark, cool, refrigerated even better - it could be easily 5+ yrs. The vet solution is apparently extremely stable and like with most meds fresh dates skew insanely conservative

 

[Lost Magic]

Unopened? Well you didn't ask me but official expo is typically 2 yrs from manufacture and it's speculated with all the upkeep stuff - dark, cool, refrigerated even better - it could be easily 5+ yrs. The vet solution is apparently extremely stable and like with most meds fresh dates skew insanely conservative

Thanks for the helpful reply John

 

[roguetrader]

Just curious as to what your take on the article is. How long do you think liquid N would last in a sealed bottle?
I read in the article "Data illustrate that sodium pentobarbital was detectable up to 367 days in compose piles with no clear trend of concentration reduction" says Authors Payne et al., 2015. [5]. So does that mean it still stays intact for those amount of days in the dead animals?

I'm guessing it'll last decades. If decomposition did not completely degrade it after years, I'm assuming it'll be potent In the sealed state for a long long time.

 

[John Ryder]

Yeah 5+ was very conservative of me, probably like an absolute worst case - extreme temp fluctuations, heavy light exposure etc. Wouldn't be surprised if it could go at least 10 in optimum conditions, maybe double

 

[DeadHead]

what did they say were the risk of failure with one bottle of N ?

I didn't save the info, it was a warning entitled something like "danger of underdose". If I find it again I will post it. All of what I know is based on several years' research so I can't remember where I read what anymore. I also remember seeing info that ir can take up to 70 hours to die. For me this is a problem. I live alone and would send a delayed email to someone. If they come too early it's a problem but I also can't be found too late ie if the smell alerted neighbours and they called the police who then broke my door down. I don't want pigs in my house as things are bound to be stolen.

what did they say were the risk of failure with one bottle of N ?

I can't remember, I cleared all my research from my laptop years ago, will try and find it again.

 

[John Ryder]

I didn't save the info, it was a warning entitled something like "danger of underdose". If I find it again I will post it. All of what I know is based on several years' research so I can't remember where I read what anymore.

Was it this?

The 70 hr stuff has happened, but it's extreme outliers. I think that's a very rare case

 

[Kerrtu]

Hi, sorry so did u consume them to just help with sleep and healing etc cause you're still here so I'm assuming you didn't consume them to die ?

Initially purchased with the intent to CTB. I had the bottles stored for when the time came, however I slipped on ice and broke my neck which kind of pushed things back oddly enough. I was on a lot of pain medication in the beginning, muscle relaxers, antiemetics, etc. and I was high off my gourd from all of that. About 6 weeks into the "recovery" was when my husband filed for divorce and that's when I popped the N bottles like champagne and just started dosing on a somewhat regular basis so I could be as knocked out as possible.

It took me months to finish the bottles.

 

[John Ryder]

Initially purchased with the intent to CTB. I had the bottles stored for when the time came, however I slipped on ice and broke my neck which kind of pushed things back oddly enough. I was on a lot of pain medication in the beginning, muscle relaxers, antiemetics, etc. and I was high off my gourd from all of that. About 6 weeks into the "recovery" was when my husband filed for divorce and that's when I popped the N bottles like champagne and just started dosing on a somewhat regular basis so I could be as knocked out as possible.

It took me months to finish the bottles.

What did you think of the taste Kerr? Obv 200ml of nazty ass drank at once is different than a few drops at a time, but still

Edit: lmao you already answered that in other post my bad

 

[cscott]

Initially purchased with the intent to CTB. I had the bottles stored for when the time came, however I slipped on ice and broke my neck which kind of pushed things back oddly enough. I was on a lot of pain medication in the beginning, muscle relaxers, antiemetics, etc. and I was high off my gourd from all of that. About 6 weeks into the "recovery" was when my husband filed for divorce and that's when I popped the N bottles like champagne and just started dosing on a somewhat regular basis so I could be as knocked out as possible.

It took me months to finish the bottles.

I see … thanks for clearing up. All the best

 

[Kerrtu]

What did you think of the taste Kerr? Obv 200ml of nazty ass drank at once is different than a few drops at a time, but still

Edit: lmao you already answered that in other post my bad

Hey, it bears repeating - the taste is like the most bitter, liquid aluminum-metallic. It's like liquified tin foil.

 

[John Ryder]

Hey, it bears repeating - the taste is like the most bitter, liquid aluminum-metallic. It's like liquified tin foil.

Awesome, can't wait, good times ahead. Get to go out with the taste of Terminator jizz in my mouth

 

[Kerrtu]

Awesome, can't wait, good times ahead. Get to go out with the taste of Terminator jizz in my mouth

Terminator jizz is fucking perfect - absolutely nails it. I guess I blew a cyborg in a past life or something.

 

[DeadHead]

Hey, it bears repeating - the taste is like the most bitter, liquid aluminum-metallic. It's like liquified tin foil.

That's a good description. It tastes like something you might expect to clean factory machinery with, or put in a car engine. I only put a fraction of a fraction in my mouth and struggled to get rid of the persistent aftertaste.

 

[DeadHead]

If anyone still happens to read this thread: please do not message me asking to buy my N or SN. I'm not selling, plus it's against the rules, plus you could be a cop or someone wanting to shut this website down.

 

[dead-yaga]

does anyone know if this applies to the powdered form as well?

 

[tpboy]

What is the holy grail if N is not???

 

[Valky]

It is the holy grail if IV route is used. It is still a holy grail if taking orally.

Self induced death will NEVER be easy, sorry to disappoint here.

 

[k1w1]

Enema works fine. Or, numb your mouth with lidocaine or similar. Personally, if it was the last thing I was going to have to do to beat a tumour Id be guzzling the stuff now.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

does anyone know if this applies to the powdered form as well?

I think the powdered form lasts for a very long time. I once tried some that was about 9 years old and had been exposed to temperature extremes, but kept dry. It worked as good as new, enough to put me right to sleep. It didn't taste so bad, something like chewed up aspirin, but had a vey harsh acrid odor.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

I think the powdered form lasts for a very long time...

Drugs tested 28 to 40 years after expiration date

Most were still good. Both tested barbiturates, Pentobarbital (aka Nembutol) and Secobarbital were still good. These were tablets and capsules not liquid. https://www.latimes.com/health/la-xpm-2012-oct-08-la-heb-expired-drugs-still-work-study-20121008-story.html

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Agree neither is the holy grail.. perhaps gas is..? I remember reading a post a long time ago, where the guy has drank N and immediately vomited it all up and survived.. said he couldn't stand the taste, it just came straight back out it was so awful. I believe there is no protocol for N, perhaps there should be. (Like meto, ect) not like there is anymore N.

I have 2 lots of SN, one from TIG (recent) and old SN from the eBay seller M - long gone, this was 3+ years ago - does anyone know how long SN is good for as I am more confident in the M SN - there were news articles at the time of people CTB'ing with that particular SN. I plan to test it… I also spoke to M after I purchased and he said that SN is good forever as long as you don't open it and keep it away from extremes (heat/cold).

I am kind of hanging on to see if N does return at some point.

 

[CursedReality88]

It's a good question - I don't know what happened with A though our interactions (via proton mail at the time) were always very nice - polite, cordial. A was thoughtful and came through. Prior to ordering from A, I had been scammed out of $650 from a different supposed source so by the time I ordered with A, I was just hoping the package would make it to me and be legit. A was a solid, genuinely good supplier. Kind and humble, I agree. I hope he's doing well.

The 2 bottles I consumed over a period of months. I will not forget the taste and looking back, I don't know how I didn't vomit. Not once did I vomit. Well, I did have a lot of other medications I was on at the time due to the injury, and I had strong antiemetics as I had a lot of nausea from the skull injury aspect of the broken neck.

When it comes to injecting, it can get dicey. I wouldn't try the gelatin capsules though in theory, it would be amazing if you were able to get that to work. I was thinking of straight up injecting and if you were to do that, be very careful in making sure you don't inject air into your veins. I'm sure you know that anyway, I just wanted to say it to be sure - I don't want you suffering further.

If you let air into the bottle it doesn't mean the N is trash - definitely still useable. And the expiration dates are very flexible with N - it's so damn strong, I estimate the bottles are good for 3 years at least after the date on the bottles. I would remove the rubber stoppers every time I consumed so air did get in but it had no negative effect on the potency and this was months of opening and resealing with the rubber stoppers.

Thank you for your kind words regarding the near house fire - I'm glad I didn't burn it down, too. I look back in near disbelief at how close it was to being a total disaster.

One more bit about the taste, as it is so metallic and bitter (probably the most bitter thing I've ever consumed) - I wonder if having a wedge of lemon on hand after drinking would help at all. Like taking a shot basically and sucking the lemon immediately after?

If you've got 1 full bottle left - hell, even half a bottle, that would be enough.

My best thoughts to you and again, wishing you relief.

How long do you usually pass out for with a medicine cup amount? And do you dream while on it?

 

[Kerrtu]

How long do you usually pass out for with a medicine cup amount? And do you dream while on it?

With a standard medicine cup, it gave me the best sleep I've ever had in my life. 8 hours at least. No dreams, no nightmares - just absolute nothingness, the deepest sleep, undisturbed. I would wake up feeling…well, similar to waking up from anesthesia, which is what injectable Pisabental is to a point. Pisabental ie Pentobarbital or "N" can be used either as anesthesia or for euthanasia, depending on how much one consumes or injects.

I dosed just enough to knock myself out and 2 bottles lasted me about 6 months, dosing with a standard medicine cup.

Each bottle contained 100ml.

I wasn't dosing every night. When I did dose, upon waking, I didn't feel groggy or nauseous - no negative side effects except for when I nearly burned the house down when I threw a lit cigarette in the garbage after dosing, not realizing how quickly and how hard it would hit.

It works very quickly.

Drinking from the bottle would've been more difficult as the taste is extremely bitter and metallic, like liquid tin foil. Or, as @John Ryder better described it - like terminator jizz.

 

[Dayrain]

I would wake up feeling…well, similar to waking up from anesthesia

I didn't feel groggy or nauseous - no negative side effects

That's a little bit contradictory, isn't it. Many people feel pretty dizzy or nauseous after anesthesia. But you didn't? I mean ofc you did not the same thing as is done with anesthesia and they were sold as sleeping capsules, so it's possible that you had been ok, but I'm asking just because you mentioned anesthesia here...

 

[lifeisbutadream]

With a standard medicine cup, it gave me the best sleep I've ever had in my life. 8 hours at least. No dreams, no nightmares - just absolute nothingness, the deepest sleep, undisturbed. I would wake up feeling…well, similar to waking up from anesthesia, which is what injectable Pisabental is to a point. Pisabental ie Pentobarbital or "N" can be used either as anesthesia or for euthanasia, depending on how much one consumes or injects.

I dosed just enough to knock myself out and 2 bottles lasted me about 6 months, dosing with a standard medicine cup.

Each bottle contained 100ml.

I wasn't dosing every night. When I did dose, upon waking, I didn't feel groggy or nauseous - no negative side effects except for when I nearly burned the house down when I threw a lit cigarette in the garbage after dosing, not realizing how quickly and how hard it would hit.

It works very quickly.

Drinking from the bottle would've been more difficult as the taste is extremely bitter and metallic, like liquid tin foil. Or, as @John Ryder better described it - like terminator jizz.

There was a girl on the old Suicide Hideout forum who wound up using powdered n, which was available at the time, as a sleeping pill. She made repeated orders to China for it.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

With a standard medicine cup, it gave me the best sleep I've ever had in my life. 8 hours at least. No dreams, no nightmares - just absolute nothingness, the deepest sleep, undisturbed. I would wake up feeling…well, similar to waking up from anesthesia, which is what injectable Pisabental is to a point. Pisabental ie Pentobarbital or "N" can be used either as anesthesia or for euthanasia, depending on how much one consumes or injects.

I dosed just enough to knock myself out and 2 bottles lasted me about 6 months, dosing with a standard medicine cup.

Each bottle contained 100ml.

I wasn't dosing every night. When I did dose, upon waking, I didn't feel groggy or nauseous - no negative side effects except for when I nearly burned the house down when I threw a lit cigarette in the garbage after dosing, not realizing how quickly and how hard it would hit.

It works very quickly.

Drinking from the bottle would've been more difficult as the taste is extremely bitter and metallic, like liquid tin foil. Or, as @John Ryder better described it - like terminator jizz.

How many milliliters would put u to sleep for 8 hours? 200ml 300ml . Would 200 ml be enough to fall asleep for someone who's never tried it. Thinking of testing a mall dose

 

[Kerrtu]

How many milliliters would put u to sleep for 8 hours? 200ml 300ml . Would 200 ml be enough to fall asleep for someone who's never tried it. Thinking of testing a mall dose

Hey @pthnrdnojvsc -

So 200ml would put you to sleep.

Period.

This is the exact product I had x 2:



Pisabental ie pentobarbital ie N



(I show this image of the red label bottle for comparison only - they are the same medicine, same drug, only named differently. I've only ever had the blue and white tinted bottles)

I just checked my small medicine dosing cups and 30ml is the max fill line, which I would fill to that line, maybe a bit over, and I was on many other drugs at the time because of the injury (muscle relaxers, antiemetics, oxycontin etc.)

If one were to experiment, and was coming from a situation where they hadn't ever tried N, 10 or 15ml would be a fair starting point. 10ml may seem an extraordinarily small dose, but N is strong. I find at times it's underestimated just how strong it is, and I refer again to what I once had and consumed, which is the Pisabental in first photo meant for intravenous use.

I wouldn't recommend a starting dose of 30ml off the bat for those who may have low to no tolerance of sedation at this level.

Now, if someone does have tolerance built up, 30ml is more than sufficient for sleep of at least 8 hours. It acts quickly - one should preferably be in bed and ready to sleep when taking the dose.

There was a girl on the old Suicide Hideout forum who wound up using powdered n, which was available at the time, as a sleeping pill. She made repeated orders to China for it.

In powder form, I probably would've been doing the same.

That's a little bit contradictory, isn't it. Many people feel pretty dizzy or nauseous after anesthesia. But you didn't? I mean ofc you did not the same thing as is done with anesthesia and they were sold as sleeping capsules, so it's possible that you had been ok, but I'm asking just because you mentioned anesthesia here...

It can be interpreted as contradictory, sure - some people are groggy after anesthesia, but not all.

I am in the "not all" category.

When I'd be put under for ECT treatments, I wouldn't wake up groggy. I woke each time in amazement, if anything. Amazement at how I didn't feel groggy, how quickly it all went, and didn't need use of a wheelchair though that's the protocol with ECT - patients aren't allowed to walk back to the ward like nbd. They are wheeled back. At least at the hospital where I received ECT.

An over abundance of caution is taken in hospital setting, for obvious reasons.

But yeah - anesthesia doesn't leave me groggy, nor did the intravenous Pisabental consumed over a period of months.

 

[roguetrader]

@Kerrtu - It's incredible that people dose at 10-30ml for normal usage and 200ml is easily a lethal dosage!

 

[Kerrtu]

@Kerrtu - It's incredible that people dose at 10-30mg for normal usage and 200mg is easily a lethal dosage!

It is incredible, it really is. When I went to check the small dosing cups it hit me all over again - just how little it takes to be lethal. I wonder now, if 50ml would be a lethal dose and if so, 200ml would mean 4 people could possibly CTB with the 2 pack I ordered, which again, has already been consumed over a period of months, back in 2016.

200ml (liquid form) is more than enough for one person to CTB. If one were to consume 100ml, they're not waking up. When I ordered, it was a 2 pack - 100ml each bottle.

Mind blowing for sure.

Editing to add this case study and follow up of a woman who overdosed on 32 capsules of N -

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Hey @pthnrdnojvsc -

So 200ml would put you to sleep.

Period.

This is the exact product I had x 2:

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Pisabental ie pentobarbital ie N

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(I show this image of the red label bottle for comparison only - they are the same medicine, same drug, only named differently. I've only ever had the blue and white tinted bottles)

I just checked my small medicine dosing cups and 30ml is the max fill line, which I would fill to that line, maybe a bit over, and I was on many other drugs at the time because of the injury (muscle relaxers, antiemetics, oxycontin etc.)

If one were to experiment, and was coming from a situation where they hadn't ever tried N, 10 or 15ml would be a fair starting point. 10ml may seem an extraordinarily small dose, but N is strong. I find at times it's underestimated just how strong it is, and I refer again to what I once had and consumed, which is the Pisabental in first photo meant for intravenous use.

I wouldn't recommend a starting dose of 30ml off the bat for those who may have low to no tolerance of sedation at this level.

Now, if someone does have tolerance built up, 30ml is more than sufficient for sleep of at least 8 hours. It acts quickly - one should preferably be in bed and ready to sleep when taking the dose.




In powder form, I probably would've been doing the same.




It can be interpreted as contradictory, sure - some people are groggy after anesthesia, but not all.

I am in the "not all" category.

When I'd be put under for ECT treatments, I wouldn't wake up groggy. I woke each time in amazement, if anything. Amazement at how I didn't feel groggy, how quickly it all went, and didn't need use of a wheelchair though that's the protocol with ECT - patients aren't allowed to walk back to the ward like nbd. They are wheeled back. At least at the hospital where I received ECT.

An over abundance of caution is taken in hospital setting, for obvious reasons.

But yeah - anesthesia doesn't leave me groggy, nor did the intravenous Pisabental consumed over a period of months.

Thanks @Kerrtu for the detailed response. Ur post was very helpful. However I made an error I meant to say 2 ml instead of 200 ml. Hoping 200 ml puts me to sleep for good lol

But I meant to ask about the minimum dose to see if it's still good or real

Would 3 ml put u sleep ?. Just want to test if it's still good.

Assuming 1 ml contains 63 milligrams of nembutal . 3 milliliters would be 189 mg of n. Did u ever try that small and amount and it put u to sleep? I'm trying to figure out the minimum sleep dose so I can tell it's real. If it's real n u should feel 100 mgs cause I think I remember that was the prescription dosage 1 pill 100 mgs?

the dosage here says 100mgs https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-su...al-route-rectal-route/proper-use/drg-20069290

So u took 30ml . How quickly would it put u to sleep?