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sleepy dog

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I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.
 
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swoosh
Sep 6, 2019
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I am very sorry you had to go through all of that. That they force you on drugs is disgusting.
Seems you got caught up in the police raids that affected many customers of A this summer. Lots of discussion some time back on this forum. Raids happened in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia... Still unclear how the authorities managed to get a list of A's customers that received N about a time frame of a few months this year. Consensus seems to be that A himself is probably not implicated, but lawful interception at Protonmail, or parcel tracking?
 
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Throwaway9787

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Jun 27, 2019
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Damn
 
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The-end-is-here

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Sep 20, 2019
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Psychiatry is so barbaric. I hate them with a passion. They are the ones who got me here.
 
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Shamana

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When you're in a psychiatric hospital, you often wonder who is sane here. Psychiatrists can get away whatever they like. No one is held accountable if the treatment tortures you.
 
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When you're in a psychiatric hospital, you often wonder who is sane here. Psychiatrists can get away whatever they like. No one is held accountable if the treatment tortures you.
Psychiatry is a field where abuse can go unchecked.
 
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Shamana

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Psychiatry is a field where abuse can unchecked.

Yeah. I just hate it when people think things are just fine. Damage from psychiatric meds is one of the reasons I'm here. People like my sister think you are conspiracy theorist if you make an argument about how damaging psychiatry is.
 
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woxihuanni

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I'm so sorry for what happened to you. I cannot imagine what you're going through.

I don't think it shows A is implicated in this, though.
 
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Throwaway9787

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I'm so sorry for what happened to you. I cannot imagine what you're going through.

I don't think it shows A is implicated in this, though.
I find all of this quite strange. Why wouldn't they seize the N immediately and not give him a chance to use it. However strange it might be, let's not start the June era hysteria.
 
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Ricks

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Did the police have a search warrant? I'm not questioning your story just curious how this all went down.
 
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I don't believe any bit of your story OP.

Although I am interested in how a person could come to such a point in there lives as to be able to find pleasure in this.
 
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The-end-is-here

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I don't believe any bit of your story OP.

Although I am interested in how a person could come to such a point in there lives as to be able to find pleasure in this.
Such remarks about not believing people we should leave for psychiatrists to make
 
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Rachel74

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I don't believe any bit of your story OP.

Although I am interested in how a person could come to such a point in there lives as to be able to find pleasure in this.
Just curious as to why you think this?

I also think that it would have been seized at customs so unsure how the police would find out unless someone grassed you up.
 
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Shamana

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I don't believe any bit of your story OP.

Although I am interested in how a person could come to such a point in there lives as to be able to find pleasure in this.

Why?
 
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Rachel74

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Such remarks about not believing people we should leave for psychiatrists to make
Maybe but now everyone ordering N will be scared and if this story is a lie it's pretty fucked up. N is my method but getting throw in hospital because of it will be worse for me and so many people on here.
 
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The-end-is-here

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Maybe but now everyone ordering N will be scared and if this story is a lie it's pretty fucked up. N is my method but getting throw in hospital because of it will be worse for me and so many people on here.
Yeah true. I just hate it when someones story just gets thrown in the bin because it sounds hard to believe. This is what psychiatrists do to us already, so why would we do it to each other too.
 
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swoosh
Sep 6, 2019
116
We know a lot of raids / welfare checks happened in June in relation with N from A. Yes, with outside confirmation.
 
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Rachel74

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We know a lot of raids / welfare checks happened in June in relation with N from A. Yes, with outside conformation.
So someone is watching what A sends to?
I find all of this quite strange. Why wouldn't they seize the N immediately and not give him a chance to use it. However strange it might be, let's not start the June era hysteria.
June era?
 
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swoosh
Sep 6, 2019
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So someone is watching what A sends to?
Seems you got caught up in the police raids that affected many customers of A this summer. Lots of discussion some time back on this forum. Raids happened in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia... Still unclear how the authorities managed to get a list of A's customers that received N about a time frame of a few months this year. Consensus seems to be that A himself is probably not implicated, but lawful interception at Protonmail, or parcel tracking?
I don't follow this all the time, but people seem to start ordering and receiving N from A again. We have lots of threads and hundreds of posts about this.
June era?
All this went down in June this year.
 
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It's saddening to think my choice is now at danger. Just my luck!
 
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It seems unlikely they will allow the N to be sent to him and follow it up with a police check 29 days after the fact. It would make more sense to intercept the Nembutal and send police to arrest him immediately upon discovery of the package.

Also, his story seems to be encouraging anyone with N to use it quickly. I never understood this, but some people honestly derive pleasure from pushing others to suicide, almost as a form of power play, a dopamine release that you get from winning over another person. Such a person would naturally be attracted to emotionally vulnerable individuals.

Also, it is written very poorly, and leaves a lot of room for ambiguity and guesswork. If he is intelligent enough to acquire N via internet at his age, his story would be much more clear and specific on certain facts, but it seems like the vagueness in this case is used to push a false story with a few believable points.
 
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Rachel74

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Sep 7, 2019
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It seems unlikely they will allow the N to be sent to him and follow it up with a police check 29 days after the fact. It would make more sense to intercept the Nembutal and send police to arrest him immediately upon discovery of the package.

Also, his story seems to be encouraging anyone with N to use it quickly. I never understood this, but some people honestly derive pleasure from pushing others to suicide, almost as a form of power play, a dopamine release that you get from winning over another person. Such a person would naturally be attracted to emotionally vulnerable individuals.

Also, it is written very poorly, and leaves a lot of room for ambiguity and guesswork. If he is intelligent enough to acquire N via internet at his age, his story would be much more clear and specific on certain facts, but it seems like the vagueness in this case is used to push a false story with a few believable points.
See I get this, if I ordered N it to take when I'm ready and not straight away. Also knowing I have N and the pressure is off me would also make me feel a lot better and I might never have to use it.
 
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burnedCookie

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Aug 8, 2019
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I never understood why people would admit they bought N and even worse give it to the police. Even if they have traces of delivery, emails or anything else just deny everything, this is not evidence.They're not gonna waste time investigating a little thing like this, they're just gonna try to scare you into talking.
If they come just play along, tell them you don't understand what they are talking about, you never ordered anything. What there was a delivery to my address, weird because I never received anything. What is N by the way ?
And hide it damn it, be creative, there are hundreds of ways to hide something.
 
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gingerplum

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Nov 5, 2018
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I never understood why people would admit they bought N and even worse give it to the police. Even if they have traces of delivery, emails or anything else just deny everything, this is not evidence.They're not gonna waste time investigating a little thing like this, they're just gonna try to scare you into talking.
If they come just play along, tell them you don't understand what they are talking about, you never ordered anything. What there was a delivery to my address, weird because I never received anything. What is N by the way ?
And hide it damn it, be creative, there are hundreds of ways to hide something.
No. I mean, I'm going to take it even further than that. Your only response to law enforcement should be, "I don't answer questions."

You are completely, 100% within your rights to refuse to answer. You have no idea what you might say that could possibly be used against you; the more you say, the more likely it is that you'll trip yourself up.

I hate that I'm this cynical, but I've seen and experienced how cops tend to be drunk with power and completely lawless. The law may be your side, but the police are not.

Don't be tempted to engage, no matter what. Stay calm, record everything, and say no more than 4 words: I don't answer questions.

This isn't my original idea; there's a guy on youtube who does a series of videos on this.
 
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burnedCookie

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No. I mean, I'm going to take it even further than that. Your only response to law enforcement should be, "I don't answer questions."

You are completely, 100% within your rights to refuse to answer. You have no idea what you might say that could possibly be used against you; the more you say, the more likely it is that you'll trip yourself up.

I hate that I'm this cynical, but I've seen and experienced how cops tend to be drunk with power and completely lawless. The law may be your side, but the police are not.

Don't be tempted to engage, no matter what. Stay calm, record everything, and say no more than 4 words: I don't answer questions.

This isn't my original idea; there's a guy on youtube who does a series of videos on this.

I don't agree. You have to be smart. And saying "I don't answer questions" for something so unimportant isn't smart, it will just make them more suspicious and if they really want to mess up with you rest assured they can.

So just give them something and nothing, be open and talk with them, play dumb. Police are humans, do you think they like bothering some poor fella who supposedly bought 2 bottles of they don't even know what ? No they don't. So be polite, answer them nothing and everyone will happily return to her/his daily routine.

Now on the other hand if you have committed a more serious crime which could lead to serious consequences then yes, don't hesitate to use the "I don't answer question"
 
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I don't agree. You have to be smart. And saying "I don't answer questions" for something so unimportant isn't smart, it will just make them more suspicious and if they really want to mess up with you rest assured they can.

So just give them something and nothing, be open and talk with them, play dumb. Police are humans, do you think they like bothering some poor fella who supposedly bought 2 bottles of they don't even know what ? No they don't. So be polite, answer them nothing and everyone will happily return to her/his daily routine.

Now on the other hand if you have committed a more serious crime which could lead to serious consequences then yes, don't hesitate to use the "I don't answer question"
Maybe... but I'd say an arrestable offense warrants a higher level of concern than 'unimportant.' Being charged with narcotics possession can really fuck up your day, your immediate future, and the rest of your natural life.

"Police are humans, do you think they like bothering some poor fella who supposedly bought 2 bottles of they don't even know what?"

I gotta tell ya, Cookie, that's a sweet idea that is incredibly, almost mind-bogglingly naive. There was recently a cop (now in county jail) that was planting meth in cars at routine traffic stops recently... this is two counties away from me in Florida. Cops are, by and large, absolutely delighted to make an arrest, much less for drug charges. Some of them are incentivized by bonuses and promotions.

The more you speak to them, the more you risk having your words taken out of context and used against you.

Bottom line, you can take whatever tactic feels more natural for you when dealing with law enforcement. If they come to my door, however, you can bet I'm asserting my right to not answer questions.
 
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Mud.

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Oct 27, 2018
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So just give them something and nothing, be open and talk with them, play dumb. Police are humans, do you think they like bothering some poor fella who supposedly bought 2 bottles of they don't even know what ? No they don't. So be polite, answer them nothing and everyone will happily return to her/his daily routine.

You have no idea how many people are in jail because they tried to play dumb against the police.
If you have something to hide, never talk to them unless they have a warrant. Simple as that.
For people reading along, please take gingerplum's advice.
 
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bea1974

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No. I mean, I'm going to take it even further than that. Your only response to law enforcement should be, "I don't answer questions."

You are completely, 100% within your rights to refuse to answer. You have no idea what you might say that could possibly be used against you; the more you say, the more likely it is that you'll trip yourself up.

I hate that I'm this cynical, but I've seen and experienced how cops tend to be drunk with power and completely lawless. The law may be your side, but the police are not.

Don't be tempted to engage, no matter what. Stay calm, record everything, and say no more than 4 words: I don't answer questions.

This isn't my original idea; there's a guy on youtube who does a series of videos on this.

I used to get paid by a community activist charity to give workshops to young people at risk of arrest, here in London, England. Our advice always was to say "no comment" and nothing else.

We used to encourage them to practise this in role-plays repeatedly, because it can be hard to do, especially when cops who are trained to get you to talk are doing their best to loosen you up.

It is absolutely crucial that you do it, in every country in the Western world, at least until you have had time alone with a trusted lawyer, and preferably until you have been released and had time to sleep on any advice to the contrary that you have been given.

No matter what you have or have not been accused of. No matter what you have or have not actually done.


NO COMMENT NO COMMENT NO COMMENT
 
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gingerplum

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A bit of levity on answering questions and lawyering up from Tom Segura:
 
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