Help how to CTB by using Nitrogen gas?

[SAI1234]

Help me someone with guide, how to CTB by using Nitrogen gas?
How much Nitrogen is required?
How to fix regulator to N cylinder?
What kind of mask is required to inhale pure nitrogen?

 

[befree]

There are several options: the exit bag, inert gas with breathing mask and inert gas with diving equipment. I prefere the last one.
The type of technical parts depend on the option you want to use.

Inert gas with diving equipment.

Advantages of this method
NO shortness of breath and NO feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.
Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air
(with oxygen and CO2).
No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.
Helium and Nitrogen are odorless and tasteless.
No danger to other persons due to escaping gas.
Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (only a few breaths).
Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.


Technical explanation
The pressure in a full 5 liters Helium or Nitrogen cylinder is approx. 200 bar.
The pressure reducer, which is connected to the gas cylinder, reduces the inhaled gas down to 9 bar.
The second part of the regulator, the mouthpiece, regulates the pressure further down. This allows you to breathe normally.
These pressure adjustments are automatic and do not require manual control.
The mouthpiece operates according to breathing demand. This means that gas only flows when breathing in. If there is no inhalation or exhalation at all, the gas flow stops automatically and the exhaled breathing gas is led out of the regulator (mouthpiece) via a membrane.
As a result, the exhaled gases (CO2 + O2) are never mixed with the gas to be inhaled.
This also reduces the amount of gas required, because gas does not flow permanently.

 

[GasMonkey]

There are several options: the exit bag, inert gas with breathing mask and inert gas with diving equipment. I prefere the last one.
The type of technical parts depend on the option you want to use.

Inert gas with diving equipment.

Advantages of this method
NO shortness of breath and NO feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.
Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air
(with oxygen and CO2).
No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.
Helium and Nitrogen are odorless and tasteless.
No danger to other persons due to escaping gas.
Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (only a few breaths).
Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.


Technical explanation
The pressure in a full 5 liters Helium or Nitrogen cylinder is approx. 200 bar.
The pressure reducer, which is connected to the gas cylinder, reduces the inhaled gas down to 9 bar.
The second part of the regulator, the mouthpiece, regulates the pressure further down. This allows you to breathe normally.
These pressure adjustments are automatic and do not require manual control.
The mouthpiece operates according to breathing demand. This means that gas only flows when breathing in. If there is no inhalation or exhalation at all, the gas flow stops automatically and the exhaled breathing gas is led out of the regulator (mouthpiece) via a membrane.
As a result, the exhaled gases (CO2 + O2) are never mixed with the gas to be inhaled.
This also reduces the amount of gas required, because gas does not flow permanently.

What's the cost of your SCUBA mask + demand valve + regulator? I'm curious to compare it to the cost of SCBA (which is the same concept as SCUBA, just made for air atmosphere instead of water).

Both SCUBA and SCBA have been proven to work for decades in the diving and emergency industry, so it's definitely the absolute best way to use Nitrogen, with unmatched reliability.

 

[befree]

Prices depend on where you live and where you order. I paid incl. shipping (converted into US$):

Regulator Cressi MC9/compact: US$ 185,-
Adapter for helium (european DIN thread): US$ 35,-
fullface diving mask Poseidon: US$ 125,-
5 L helium 4.6 cylinder: US$ 220,-

 

[ooglah]

Use the search bar and look up 'Exit bag'

 

[mjosjueiowl]

I have read several posts about this method and I noticed one recurring aspect is the importance of keeping the gas flowing into the exit bag for several minutes. I am not sure if it's true. I think they calculate with turkey bag sized exit bags. Consider the following. You put a 100 litres deflated nylon bag on your head, fix it around your forehead with a strong rubber band, inflate it with the gas and once it's completely full you pull the rubber band down to your neck. No more inflow of gas from now. So you have your head in a 100 litres airtight bag full of inert gas. The capacity of human lungs is about 6 litres / breath. My estimation is that even if you exhale some CO2 and inhale back some, the complete lack of oxygen will knock you out very quickly. Much faster than panic reaction would occur due to elevated CO2 level in your blood.

* I would be grateful if someone could review this idea.
** I don't encourage anybody to kill himself or herself in any way. Please discuss your suicidal thoughts with a mental health professional.

 

[ooglah]

I have read several posts about this method and I noticed one recurring aspect is the importance of keeping the gas flowing into the exit bag for several minutes. I am not sure if it's true. I think they calculate with turkey bag sized exit bags. Consider the following. You put a 100 litres deflated nylon bag on your head, fix it around your forehead with a strong rubber band, inflate it with the gas and once it's completely full you pull the rubber band down to your neck. No more inflow of gas from now. So you have your head in a 100 litres airtight bag full of inert gas. The capacity of human lungs is about 6 litres / breath. My estimation is that even if you exhale some CO2 and inhale back some, the complete lack of oxygen will knock you out very quickly. Much faster than panic reaction would occur due to elevated CO2 level in your blood.

* I would be grateful if someone could review this idea.
** I don't encourage anybody to kill himself or herself in any way. Please discuss your suicidal thoughts with a mental health professional.

I see what you're getting at.

So let's say you managed to get all the oxygen out of the bag, filled it up with Inert gas, and stopped the airflow from your Inert gas cylinder.

You would continue to exhale waste (CO2) and that gas will stay in your little atmosphere that will build up and cause you to feel like you're suffocating. If you keep the Inert gas flowing this 'waste' will be pushed out the bottom of the bag - the gasses have different density.

If you lose consciousness in that stagnant environment your body will still react if it feels it is suffocating, so you may grab at the bag, I think in theory the flowing inert gas keeping that CO2 build up to a minimum would lessen the chance of your body thinking something is wrong. Also, just because you have expelled all the oxygen from your lungs doesn't mean you are out of oxygen, there is going to be oxygen in your cells that need to be accounted for.

-- sorry I edited this like 5 times, I took some Ambien about half an hour ago and my brain feels like a scrambled egg.

 

[mjosjueiowl]

I see what you're getting at.

So let's say you managed to get all the oxygen out of the bag, filled it up with Inert gas, and stopped the airflow from your Inert gas cylinder.

You would continue to exhale waste (CO2) and that gas will stay in your little atmosphere that will build up and cause you to feel like you're suffocating. If you keep the Inert gas flowing this 'waste' will be pushed out the bottom of the bag - the gasses have different density.

If you lose consciousness in that stagnant environment your body will still react if it feels it is suffocating, so you may grab at the bag, I think in theory the flowing inert gas keeping that CO2 build up to a minimum would lessen the chance of your body thinking something is wrong. Also, just because you have expelled all the oxygen from your lungs doesn't mean you are out of oxygen, there is going to be oxygen in your cells that need to be accounted for.

-- sorry I edited this like 5 times, I took some Ambien about half an hour ago and my brain feels like a scrambled egg.

How long do you think it take to loose consciousness with the described method? And how long does it take to die?
As I can see your concern is that the person may grab or rupture the bag while being semi-unconscious. How about laying down on a soft surface (a soft carpet or a bed would do) to stay away from any object that could accidentally leak the bag and wearing a winter coat and pulling your hands inside, so you can't reach for the bag. My guess is that once being unconscious it'd be impossible to put your hands back into the sleeves and reach for the bag.

 

[ooglah]

How long do you think it take to loose consciousness with the described method? And how long does it take to die?
As I can see your concern is that the person may grab or rupture the bag while being semi-unconscious. How about laying down on a soft surface (a soft carpet or a bed would do) to stay away from any object that could accidentally leak the bag and wearing a winter coat and pulling your hands inside, so you can't reach for the bag. My guess is that once being unconscious it'd be impossible to put your hands back into the sleeves and reach for the bag.

Time until unconscious depends on a lot. On the Inert Gas Megathread there was a poster (can't remember his name off the top of my head) who tried a few times.

In theory you should lose consciousness in a few deep breaths, (and death following a few minutes after) but the poster I mentioned above said when he tried he has a hard time breathing deeply (due to anxiety if I remember correctly) so it would have taken him longer to pass out. Some members have suggested setting a timer for 60-90 seconds - if you're not out by then you're doing something wrong.

That megathread is really long, but it is definitely worth reading from page 1 to see the give and take between many users, at around page 20 it gets to just be repeated information.

As far as the issue with grabbing at the bag, it is my understanding that if there is no CO2 build up your brain has no idea it is dying, so you will not unconsciously reach for the bag on your head

With that said, I think this is where body position comes into play as well ( but I could be wrong ).

My understanding is as long as there is a constant flow of inert gas the CO2 will be flushed out of the bottom of the bag, and I think all that really matters is your head is upright in some way - I would think laying on a pillow that is propped up some would be okay - something like this posture. You'd also probably want to secure the air hose towards the top of the bag so flow of the gas naturally expels out of the bottom
It is also my understanding that if the flow of inert gas is correct there should be absolutely no feelings of shortness of breath or suffocation. If you feel like you're choking then there is CO2 building up.

Obviously this is all in theory, in the moment I'm sure things are different - psychologically atleast.

 

[mjosjueiowl]

Another idea... you can install two tubes. One to get the inflow of gas from the tank, another one to expell the gas from the bag. Things are getting complicated here. You have to make sure the entry points of tubes are keep airtight. Probably leading them through two sponges under the tight rubber band could do. Moreover you have to make sure when the flow of gas stops no air will come back through the exit tube. Probably leading it into a bucket of water would ensure that.

 

[ooglah]

Another idea... you can install two tubes. One to get the inflow of gas from the tank, another one to expell the gas from the bag. Things are getting complicated here. You have to make sure the entry points of tubes are keep airtight. Probably leading them through two sponges under the tight rubber band could do. Moreover you have to make sure when the flow of gas stops no air will come back through the exit tube. Probably leading it into a bucket of water would ensure that.

I've seen a few concepts of what you're talking about called a debreather, they usually are altered rebreathers check this out -- I think having one of those connected to an inert gas source would probably work pretty well. This is the one Exit lists

 

[mjosjueiowl]

I've seen a few concepts of what you're talking about called a debreather, they usually are altered rebreathers check this out -- I think having one of those connected to an inert gas source would probably work pretty well.

Wow, thank you so much

 

[GasMonkey]

Prices depend on where you live and where you order. I paid incl. shipping (converted into US$):

Regulator Cressi MC9/compact: US$ 185,-
Adapter for helium (european DIN thread): US$ 35,-
fullface diving mask Poseidon: US$ 125,-
5 L helium 4.6 cylinder: US$ 220,-

Nice gear.
Why did you pick H instead of N2?

 

[befree]

....Because the air contains 78% nitrogen. I prefer a gas that is not part of the breathing air.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

There are several options: the exit bag, inert gas with breathing mask and inert gas with diving equipment. I prefere the last one.
The type of technical parts depend on the option you want to use.

Inert gas with diving equipment.

Advantages of this method
NO shortness of breath and NO feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.
Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air
(with oxygen and CO2).
No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.
Helium and Nitrogen are odorless and tasteless.
No danger to other persons due to escaping gas.
Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (only a few breaths).
Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.


Technical explanation
The pressure in a full 5 liters Helium or Nitrogen cylinder is approx. 200 bar.
The pressure reducer, which is connected to the gas cylinder, reduces the inhaled gas down to 9 bar.
The second part of the regulator, the mouthpiece, regulates the pressure further down. This allows you to breathe normally.
These pressure adjustments are automatic and do not require manual control.
The mouthpiece operates according to breathing demand. This means that gas only flows when breathing in. If there is no inhalation or exhalation at all, the gas flow stops automatically and the exhaled breathing gas is led out of the regulator (mouthpiece) via a membrane.
As a result, the exhaled gases (CO2 + O2) are never mixed with the gas to be inhaled.
This also reduces the amount of gas required, because gas does not flow permanently.

could you, or someone, possibly PM me the equipment I'd need to do this, and I'll find equivalents I can buy where I am? It's knowing exactly what to buy that is testing my head! I would appreciate this so much

 

[befree]

You find infos in this thead and here:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-inhale-nitrogen-gas-from-clinder.94119/#post-1654062

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-with-diving-equipment-helium-or-nitrogen.94626/

If you have any further questions, let me know.

 

[WaitingAllMyLife]

How long do you think it take to loose consciousness with the described method? And how long does it take to die?
As I can see your concern is that the person may grab or rupture the bag while being semi-unconscious. How about laying down on a soft surface (a soft carpet or a bed would do) to stay away from any object that could accidentally leak the bag and wearing a winter coat and pulling your hands inside, so you can't reach for the bag. My guess is that once being unconscious it'd be impossible to put your hands back into the sleeves and reach for the bag.

The coat idea is brilliant! I am adding this to my method. THANK YOU!

 

[mandyjohnuk]

What would the flow rate be for this. I assume it would be higher than 15 LPM.

 

[Amnesiaisalloverme]

There are several options: the exit bag, inert gas with breathing mask and inert gas with diving equipment. I prefere the last one.
The type of technical parts depend on the option you want to use.

Inert gas with diving equipment.

Advantages of this method
NO shortness of breath and NO feeling of suffocation, as CO2 continues to be exhaled.
Inhalation of pure Helium or Nitrogen that is not enriched by exhaled breathing air
(with oxygen and CO2).
No risk of failure due to uncontrolled movements during unconsciousness or slackening of the muscles and a resulting change in body position.
Helium and Nitrogen are odorless and tasteless.
No danger to other persons due to escaping gas.
Unconsciousness occurs very quickly (only a few breaths).
Death after approximately 3 minutes in painless unconsciousness.


Technical explanation
The pressure in a full 5 liters Helium or Nitrogen cylinder is approx. 200 bar.
The pressure reducer, which is connected to the gas cylinder, reduces the inhaled gas down to 9 bar.
The second part of the regulator, the mouthpiece, regulates the pressure further down. This allows you to breathe normally.
These pressure adjustments are automatic and do not require manual control.
The mouthpiece operates according to breathing demand. This means that gas only flows when breathing in. If there is no inhalation or exhalation at all, the gas flow stops automatically and the exhaled breathing gas is led out of the regulator (mouthpiece) via a membrane.
As a result, the exhaled gases (CO2 + O2) are never mixed with the gas to be inhaled.
This also reduces the amount of gas required, because gas does not flow permanently.

So i have been seeing all these posts trying to find out how to make the inert gas setup and so far I haven't found any workable one. I mean all I see is people mentioning these fancy products from canada/europe based companies like escmode/maxbrewingdog etc and even with them not finding any clear instructions. Not everyone can have access to these specific companies and there products, I live in the part of the world where even amazon doesn't operate. All I want is someone who can elaborate the basic things in the gas method like even if I have to grab stuff from a local store (online) I can understand the technicalities and be able to find stuff which works for me for example the things like what type of gas should ai ask for and how much gas volume etc would I need and how cylinders (both helium and nitrogen) and their connections work. The masks( as i also cudnt find the exit bag clear tutorial. Teach the some details about the regulaters why are they used and if I dont find a certain one what alternative can I use and how to protect the gas from getting wasted. What could be the possible failures and how to tackle them beforehand. You know some basic stuff and then the hard part so that I dont mess up buying wrong things even if i do ill know what to do because I dont even earn and life has been so tough lately. I might gulp some aluminium phosphide tablets if I wont be able to arrange this setup because that is my only option but its too painful to feel all your organs collapse and also u can also survive.

 

[TF64]

Prices depend on where you live and where you order. I paid incl. shipping (converted into US$):

Regulator Cressi MC9/compact: US$ 185,-
Adapter for helium (european DIN thread): US$ 35,-
fullface diving mask Poseidon: US$ 125,-
5 L helium 4.6 cylinder: US$ 220,-

Can you tell me what Poseidon mask you are referring to? When I look up Poseidon masks online, it appears they run around $2,000, not $125.

Prices depend on where you live and where you order. I paid incl. shipping (converted into US$):

Regulator Cressi MC9/compact: US$ 185,-
Adapter for helium (european DIN thread): US$ 35,-
fullface diving mask Poseidon: US$ 125,-
5 L helium 4.6 cylinder: US$ 220,-

Can you tell me what model of Poseidon mask you are referring to? When I look up Poseidon masks online it appears they run around $2,000 as opposed to $125.
With regard to the regulator, I read an article where someone who committed suicide used an open-circuit type regulator. Is the Cressi MC9 an open-circuit regulator?

Prices depend on where you live and where you order. I paid incl. shipping (converted into US$):

Regulator Cressi MC9/compact: US$ 185,-
Adapter for helium (european DIN thread): US$ 35,-
fullface diving mask Poseidon: US$ 125,-
5 L helium 4.6 cylinder: US$ 22

 

[befree]

You can see photos here:

How to inhale Nitrogen gas from Clinder?

I bought Nitrogen Cylinder and regulator, but how to inhale pure nitrogen, like which mask/connector pipe I do need buy? Exit bag I am not sure what it is and its not available in India. Someone please help me to CTB by using N cylinder

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Technical info about the Cressi MC9 compact you can read here:

Cressi 1946 - Official Website

Scuba diving & water sports products since 1946, Italy

store.cressi.com

You can also use the Ocean Reef Neptune Space G divers or Ocean Reef Neptune III and an Ocean Reef regulator.

Make sure you buy the right adapter and a regulator with the right connection thread (DIN or INT). The adapter shown in the a.m. thread is for DIN.

 

[TF64]

I am in the US. I have a conventional CGA-580 regulator and a flow meter. Can I use this with the Ocean Reef Neptune Space G, or do I still need to use a first stage diving regulator? If I need a diving regulator, I am unclear on which regulator to use. There are two listed at https://www.scuba.com/l/Scuba-Gear/Regulators/Ocean-Reef~First-Second-Stages . Which one would I need? It looks like the difference is that one has internal threads and the other has external threads.

I am looking for clarification on how I would connect to from the tank to the mask. For example: Tank with CGA-580 Valve -> GCA-580 to DIN Adapter -> DIN First Stage Regulator -> Ocean Reef Neptune Space G Mask. Is this correct?

I see that the Ocean Reef Neptune Space G has an internal second stage regulator. How would I set the flow rate to 15L/M? There are no gauges in the above system. Do I need gauges also?

 

[befree]

conventional CGA-580 regulator and a flow meter. Can I use this with the Ocean Reef Neptune Space G

No.

or do I still need to use a first stage diving regulator?

Yes.

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The 1. regulator has a INT connection. The 2. regulator has a DIN connection.

If you want to use a regulator with DIN connection and a nitrogen cylinder with DIN connection, you need:

adapter for nitrogen:

diving cylinder G 5/8" internal thread – Nitrogen W24 internal thread

Problem is that the gas cylinders in many countries have different threaded connections (e.g. UK), so you have to find another adapter.

 

[TF64]

No.


Yes.

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Shop our selection of first stage scuba regulators and second stage regulators to find the perfect piece of equipment for your next dive. Shop our selection today!

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The 1. regulator has a INT connection. The 2. regulator has a DIN connection.

If you want to use a regulator with DIN connection and you want to use a nitrogen cylinder with DIN connection, you need:

adapter for nitrogen:

diving cylinder G 5/8" internal thread – Nitrogen W24 internal thread

So is there away to connect the Ocean Reef Neptune Space G to the CGA-580 valve on my tank?

Also, how do I set the flow rate to 15L/m?

 

[befree]

A diving regulator works automatically.
Yes, when you find the right adapter. Another member from the UK just has the same problem finding the right adapter.