Discussion How can a Side like SaSu exist that easy in the Internet?

[fungus]

Just a topic I am curious about, and not meant as "It is bad that SaSu exist." I am happy that the side is here.

But I know there have been some suicides linked to SaSu, which has made it more widely known outside the community. And I'm wondering if there are actually people on here who are actively working to prevent suicide and who have an eye on the Forum.
You know some good samaritas who want to play savior.

It is for me in general suprising that
a side about suicide that is that easy to access can just exist more or less peacefull.
Suicide is not an accepted topic and we live in times where people go absolutly crazy over things especially in the Internet.
So I kind of have expected that a Forum like this is getting ripped apart at some point. That there would be more controversy, especially in online communitys on reddit or youtube.
But despite an article here and their and the ban in some countrys like UK or restirictions in Germany people don't talk much about it. At least in public.

 

[Save_Me_Mind]

I'm sure there's many reasons, but it would make sense that one of them is as a means to monitor as you've mentioned. To monitor and analyze both the minds of the people on this site, their intentions, along with the methods itself.
If there are more and more new methods being discovered, then those people monitoring can use that to their advantage, resulting remedies to set method and bans for such drugs or whatever materials used for set suicide.
I believe there could be deeper reasons, ones that go into theories that correlate to previous ones.

 

[tonicer]

But despite an article here and their and the ban in some countrys like UK or restirictions in Germany people don't talk much about it. At least in public.

I'm from Germany and i can access it but my DNS nextdns blocked it at first for harmful content. I am suicidal since my early teens and i need a place to connect with other like minded people. I think sites like SaSu need to be officially accepted as a necessity.

 

[amor.dor]

I have no doubt that they are studying us, because from everything I have seen in human history, any good or bad intention is ultimately used so that others can profitI notice that in Europe and other first-world countries, access to this is very restricted. But I, living in Brazil, know it's unlikely they will block this place for me and others from my country — because here there is an enormous political struggle, not to mention the drug trade. So, a suicidal person is nothing compared to that.

 

[fungus]

I'm from Germany and i can access it but my DNS nextdns blocked it at first for harmful content. I am suicidal since my early teens and i need a place to connect with other like minded people. I think sites like SaSu need to be officially accepted as a necessity.

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

I have no doubt that they are studying us, because from everything I have seen in human history, any good or bad intention is ultimately used so that others can profitI notice that in Europe and other first-world countries, access to this is very restricted. But I, living in Brazil, know it's unlikely they will block this place for me and others from my country — because here there is an enormous political struggle, not to mention the drug trade. So, a suicidal person is nothing compared to that.

It is restricted in Europe, but restrictions in the Internet are just not really effective in my eyes. It is really easy to find a way around.

It is for me hard to really assess how much people even care about SaSu. In my head, a bunch of suicidal people from all over the world can't be worth that much expense. But that they restricted it in Germany where I live, also means that at least somebody cared enough to notice it.
Enough for the police to have a look on the Forum.. probaly not. But it definetly could be interisting for mental health professionals.

 

[Dejected 55]

This site neither instructs nor promotes suicide. It merely exists as a place for people to come and share thoughts. Without this site, the reach would not be so wide... but people could gather anywhere online or in public spaces to discuss suicide. At that point, in the US, it would be a free speech issue. Other places in the world with less freedom do block this site I believe.

It would be different if this site was supplying people with stuff necessary to commit or directly instructing us members on how to do it... but they aren't... so it doesn't really hinder suicides by shutting this site down.

 

[tonicer]

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

Guten Tag. :)

I heard about this site in a youtube video about censorship and blocked sites etc. and googled/duckduckgoed/binged/etc. for it but all that would pop up where article talking about this EVIL site which KILLS people so i simply went to this site and found people who are struggling to stay alive and seek aid.

 

[Moniker]

The site operates out of the United States, which can be a bit more lax on that front. Websites generally aren't responsible for what its users put on them either, so blocking the entire website isn't likely.

That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if American law enforcement monitors the site for illegal activity.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

It remains open because the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, and according to Brandenburg v. Ohio, the law can only intervene in cases of direct and imminent incitement to an illegal act; furthermore, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act limits the liability of website operators for user-generated content. In the absence of a personal and immediate connection between words and action, the site remains legally defensible.

This doesn't mean they aren't trying to shut it down. They haven't succeeded yet, but they can change the laws.

The site operates out of the United States, which can be a bit more lax on that front. Websites generally aren't responsible for what its users put on them either, so blocking the entire website isn't likely.

No: when moderators or administrators intervene in the content by guiding, correcting, or validating it (for example, judging whether the advice "really" leads to death), they are no longer passive. At that moment, the protection of Section 230 is lost, and the discourse can become encouragement or aiding, so the site is not at all "safe" from a legal point of view.

 

[amor.dor]

I am from Germany too. It was easy to access last year, but at some point they kind of restricted it? It wasn't to find online, but I had saved it as an bookmark so the restriction is pretty useless.

I am depressed for a long time since early teens too. I have an little bit different viewpoint on the acceptance of suicide. I am not angry at people for trying to keep others alive or help. I understand it and if people get better that is great. Suicide isn't a good thing in my eyes. It is actually really sad, but I understand the why and I know the suffering that makes people do it.

I am more angry for the lack of help. Like if you want to prevent suicide.. that is fair. Locking people up for wanting to kill themself.. even that I see why.
But then at least make it usefull. If you don't want to give people the option to ctb then do something so they can live. They take away without giving better options.

It is restricted in Europe, but restrictions in the Internet are just not really effective in my eyes. It is really easy to find a way around.

It is for me hard to really assess how much people even care about SaSu. In my head, a bunch of suicidal people from all over the world can't be worth that much expense. But that they restricted it in Germany where I live, also means that at least somebody cared enough to notice it.
Enough for the police to have a look on the Forum.. probaly not. But it definetly could be interisting for mental health professionals.

I'm giving my perspective because I live on this side of the world and understand the mentality here (and I speak because many other Latin Americans have also understood this:

Here, Sasu are not actively combated because there is a power struggle in our region. Someone who takes their own life is seen as one less person to compete with, unlike in the First World, where greater attention is given to such cases.
If you die by suicide and leave something written or a digital trace that leads here, it's like opening Pandora's box,you end up revealing to others something that your respective governments do not want exposed.

In the end, everything depends on location and mentality. It's no coincidence that it is much easier to obtain certain lethal substances or medications in my region than in yours. I myself helped a friend here get a benzodiazepine from her doctor, knowing that in the UK it would be far more difficult.

I've noticed a pattern forming, one that's growing clearer over time—though I still can't fully define it. Still, I wanted to leave this observation on record.

 

[fungus]

This site neither instructs nor promotes suicide. It merely exists as a place for people to come and share thoughts. Without this site, the reach would not be so wide... but people could gather anywhere online or in public spaces to discuss suicide. At that point, in the US, it would be a free speech issue. Other places in the world with less freedom do block this site I believe.

It would be different if this site was supplying people with stuff necessary to commit or directly instructing us members on how to do it... but they aren't... so it doesn't really hinder suicides by shutting this site down.

Well people might argue that having posts where information about suicide is provided pinned etc. Is suplying people with infos about how to commit. I mean it is one of the main points of the side. But it probaly really depends on the law of different countrys. In America it isn't as strict as here in Germany

 

[Dejected 55]

Well people might argue that having posts where information about suicide is provided pinned etc. Is suplying people with infos about how to commit. I mean it is one of the main points of the side. But it probaly really depends on the law of different countrys. In America it isn't as strict as here in Germany

Exactly, it is very. much dependent on the laws of the land wherever you are located. This site is banned/blocked in many parts of the world. But also some parts of the world block perfectly innocuous sites too. China blocks a lot of stuff that most folk would consider neutral, for instance.

There is a fine line with a site that moderates posts and pins things, to be sure. IF they completely stayed out of things and just let users run free, then they could 100% be free of any libel. But then more countries might block access and it might get too crazy and users wouldn't stick around if it was the true wild west on here... so it's a balancing act.

Still, I think the site mostly steers clear from the usual legal liabilities by not promoting suicide directly. None of the mods are going around telling people to "do it" and offering to help them obtain equipment and setups and such... so it would be really hard to catch them on that front. Much easier to block the site on principle of the concept of suicide, which is what some countries have done. Countries like the USA don't block on that reason alone because of the free speech argument... but they absolutely would block this site too IF the mood struck them right on the right day.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo sevaral years ago it most here were UK and then US . now imo i hardly see any new UK users. yeah there are some but they joined years ago. i also see less europeans , australians ,canadians then before. but the UK dropoff the most. they must be upping the censoring. and evil google hides this website too