Heroin

[Richard Langford]

Why don't more people ctb this way? (1) If you've access to the DW and can get it easily enough. And (2) you can buy enough of it (even cut) to ensure success, there's only (3) cooking (plenty of assistance online re that) and (4) injecting (that can even be done IM) to consider. Its supposed to be an extremely pleasant way to go based upon all I've read on here. Its mentioned but not a great deal as opposed to other ways. The accessibility of it and the cost?

 

[Kyotospade]

The possibility of survival and becoming addicted.

 

[Richard Langford]

The possibility of survival and becoming addicted.

Taking enough (remember the 5grm guy?) should preclude that. Especially for the naive.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Not reliable these days. I tried to OD on tested fent multiple times. I know that's anecdotal but just my 2 cents.

 

[Richard Langford]

Not reliable these days. I tried to OD on tested fent multiple times. I know that's anecdotal but just my 2 cents.

And you lived? Do you have a humongous tolerance? How much did you use? Didn't 100,000 people die last year alone on the stuff. You must be a medical miracle.

 

[lonergirl_26]

I wonder the same thing. It's my ideal method.

 

[Richard Langford]

I wonder the same thing. It's my ideal method.

This thread peaked my interest

Thread 'Heroin, the golden ticket? Also goodbye' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/heroin-the-golden-ticket-also-goodbye.193877/

 

[set0553]

Why don't more people ctb this way? (1) If you've access to the DW and can get it easily enough. And (2) you can buy enough of it (even cut) to ensure success, there's only (3) cooking (plenty of assistance online re that) and (4) injecting (that can even be done IM) to consider. Its supposed to be an extremely pleasant way to go based upon all I've read on here. Its mentioned but not a great deal as opposed to other ways. The accessibility of it and the cost?

Essentially you'd be dying by suffocation, I don't think its as pleasant to overdose on heroin as some people think, and like others have said, if you do survive, youll be spending every waking minute trying to get your next fix..

 

[Richard Langford]

Essentially you'd be dying by suffocation, I don't think its as pleasant to overdose on heroin as some people think, and like others have said, if you do survive, youll be spending every waking minute trying to get your next fix..

Users say it is. Apparently you're out of it far before that stage. And as I said, a large enough dose should preclude that.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

There's no reason for people to lose money by not majorly cutting everything— we're in the fourth wave now, I'd suggest looking into things that talk more about this. The opiate subreddit is a good example of the current supply issues.

I had a tolerance, but it doesnt fully explain my experiences and I was never hospitalized, to answer your Q's.

 

[Richard Langford]

There's no reason for people to lose money by not majorly cutting everything— we're in the fourth wave now, I'd suggest looking into things that talk more about this. The opiate subreddit is a good example of the current supply issues.

I had a tolerance, but it doesnt fully explain my experiences and I was never hospitalized, to answer your Q's.

How much did you take and by the sounds you were a habitual user? And as I said, you also have to take a sufficient dose to remove the cutting issue.

 

[set0553]

Users say it is. Apparently you're out of it far before that stage. And as I said, a large enough dose should preclude that.

I think you're onto something here. Opiates are the only class of drugs that don't make me paranoid and stressed. And correct, its so easy to get heroin on DW. definitely interested in researching it more.

 

[L'absent]

The discussion about tolerance is interesting because there are documented cases of habitual heroin users surviving extremely high doses, especially if the substance is not pure. However, if we are talking about a truly lethal dose, for a person with no tolerance, as little as 250-300 mg of pure heroin can cause a fatal overdose, while those with developed tolerance may require significantly higher amounts. The most important variable is not just the absolute dosage but also the combination with other central nervous system depressants, such as benzodiazepines, alcohol, or synthetic opioids, which drastically enhance respiratory depression and reduce any margin for error. Even though heroin alone might have some level of unpredictability, combining it with other substances makes the outcome much more reliable, ensuring unconsciousness well before respiratory arrest occurs.
Regarding suffering, death from heroin overdose is caused by respiratory depression, not acute physical pain. The primary mechanism is the progressive slowing of breathing until it completely stops, often accompanied by loss of consciousness in the early stages. If someone experiences sensations of suffocation, it could be due to respiratory spasms during the transition from hypoventilation to apnea, but this depends on individual physiological responses. In most cases, with a sufficiently high dose and especially with the addition of synergistic drugs, unconsciousness occurs before the critical phase, eliminating any perception of suffering. The idea that overdose leads to a conscious struggle does not account for the fact that heroin, as a powerful opioid, has strong sedative and analgesic effects, preventing a clear awareness of one's condition in the final moments.
If we consider a dose that is certainly lethal without the need for additional substances, the amount would be around 2 grams of pure heroin for a person with no tolerance. At this level, despite individual variations, the risk of survival becomes negligible, especially when administered intravenously, which ensures immediate absorption and a direct effect on the central nervous system.
For a person with very high tolerance, such as a long-term heroin user with heavy habitual use, the lethal dose can range between 5 and 10 grams of pure heroin, depending on the administration route and the body's ability to metabolize the substance. However, at these levels, even for someone with a developed tolerance, the margin for error is extremely small, and any variation in the purity of the substance could lead to a fatal outcome.

 

[maniac116]

You never know how much heroin is actually in the "heroin". That makes it unreliable. Also narcan is readily available to revive someone.
Drug OD in general has well over 90% failure overall.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Heroin OD may not be popular on this forum, but that doesn't mean it's not popular in the real world. People who have access to hard drugs like heroin are likely to just OD by default, so they wouldn't need to register on forums like this to ask questions.

For the average SaSu user acquiring drugs on the DW would not be so easy. Have you seen now hard it is for people to find DMC? Or how many struggle to find nitrogen cylinders which are completely legal and sold around the world? The DW requires many more steps, and finding reliable suppliers requires savvy and a bit of luck. It's really the Wild West and even experienced users can get scammed.

The aspect of having to inject it is also going to be a big turn-off for many people. Cooking and injecting heroin is a whole new process to learn, and it's intimidating.

The fact that heroin is highly illegal in most countries is another factor. All of the most common methods discussed on SaSu are completely legal. Whereas where I live even simple possession of small quantities of heroin is a class C felony with up to 5 years in prison. The courts aren't usually cracking down that hard on first-time users, but it still can lead to significant legal consequences including permanently loosing the right to own firearms and required treatment programs.

 

[blue-roses-rest]

On the topic of cooking I have some advice from a few semesters of school working with addicts and my own research for the topic:

1. Introduce as little citric acid as possible. Only what is needed to make it no longer cloudy.
2. Dilute the solution this lowers the PH and makes it less painful.

Also don't worry about addiction risk. Using it one time has low likelihood of addiction, especially if on a failed attempt your institutionalized.

 

[identity0]

Heroin OD may not be popular on this forum, but that doesn't mean it's not popular in the real world. People who have access to hard drugs like heroin are likely to just OD by default, so they wouldn't need to register on forums like this to ask questions.

For the average SaSu user acquiring drugs on the DW would not be so easy. Have you seen now hard it is for people to find DMC? Or how many struggle to find nitrogen cylinders which are completely legal and sold around the world? The DW requires many more steps, and finding reliable suppliers requires savvy and a bit of luck. It's really the Wild West and even experienced users can get scammed.

The aspect of having to inject it is also going to be a big turn-off for many people. Cooking and injecting heroin is a whole new process to learn, and it's intimidating.

The fact that heroin is highly illegal in most countries is another factor. All of the most common methods discussed on SaSu are completely legal. Whereas where I live even simple possession of small quantities of heroin is a class C felony with up to 5 years in prison. The courts aren't usually cracking down that hard on first-time users, but it still can lead to significant legal consequences including permanently loosing the right to own firearms and required treatment programs.

Agreed.

It would be my ideal method.

The legality is a legitimate issue and can be a big risk, especially in some smaller countries with smaller markets and strict drug control.

I think injecting it is not required. i think insufflation/snorting it would be effective enough. I suppose many people don't know of this or don't think of this.

 

[KillingPain267]

The possibility of survival and becoming addicted.

You won't become addicted from a one time use, even in an overdose. But yes, the survivability is high and thus it's an unreliable method.

I think injecting it is not required. i think insufflation/snorting it would be effective enough. I suppose many people don't know of this or don't think of this.

Snorting crushed opioid pills gave me just as much nausea and vomiting as when eating them.
Deaths from opiate ODs may actually not be so much from the opiates themselves but more due to opiates being cut with other non-opioid weird chemicals and/or due to combining with either other sedatives or with stimulants (called speedballing). But speedballing may not be pleasant at all.

 

[theolivanderroach]

It's not reliable that's why. I've survived opioid + benzo + alcohol OD a few times. That is my preferred method though but at this point SN will probably be the way I ctb.

 

[Richard Langford]

You never know how much heroin is actually in the "heroin". That makes it unreliable. Also narcan is readily available to revive someone.
Drug OD in general has well over 90% failure overall.

That's why as with Thread I quoted above you get it tested. And if you live alone Narcan isn't a factor.

Heroin OD may not be popular on this forum, but that doesn't mean it's not popular in the real world. People who have access to hard drugs like heroin are likely to just OD by default, so they wouldn't need to register on forums like this to ask questions.

For the average SaSu user acquiring drugs on the DW would not be so easy. Have you seen now hard it is for people to find DMC? Or how many struggle to find nitrogen cylinders which are completely legal and sold around the world? The DW requires many more steps, and finding reliable suppliers requires savvy and a bit of luck. It's really the Wild West and even experienced users can get scammed.

The aspect of having to inject it is also going to be a big turn-off for many people. Cooking and injecting heroin is a whole new process to learn, and it's intimidating.

The fact that heroin is highly illegal in most countries is another factor. All of the most common methods discussed on SaSu are completely legal. Whereas where I live even simple possession of small quantities of heroin is a class C felony with up to 5 years in prison. The courts aren't usually cracking down that hard on first-time users, but it still can lead to significant legal consequences including permanently loosing the right to own firearms and required treatment programs.

In terms of your questions, it took me a little time but I've accessed the DW. Scamming is an issue but you go off Feedback and there is the Escrow syatem. Heroin can be injected IM and there are a host of cooking videos online. Ctb is actually illegal in my country and as you say a first time user is hardly going to face massive legal consequences albeit is this really a long-term worry?

Agreed.

It would be my ideal method.

The legality is a legitimate issue and can be a big risk, especially in some smaller countries with smaller markets and strict drug control.

I think injecting it is not required. i think insufflation/snorting it would be effective enough. I suppose many people don't know of this or don't think of this.

It can be injected IM apparently.

It's not reliable that's why. I've survived opioid + benzo + alcohol OD a few times. That is my preferred method though but at this point SN will probably be the way I ctb.

Did you get the opiod tested? How much did you take? And what's your tolerance? A "few times" sounds like you might be a habitual user of such?

You won't become addicted from a one time use, even in an overdose. But yes, the survivability is high and thus it's an unreliable method.

Snorting crushed opioid pills gave me just as much nausea and vomiting as when eating them.
Deaths from opiate ODs may actually not be so much from the opiates themselves but more due to opiates being cut with other non-opioid weird chemicals and/or due to combining with either other sedatives or with stimulants (called speedballing). But speedballing may not be pleasant at all.

Is survivability high realistically? If a person takes enough how would that be possible? It would be a medical miracle.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm too square to risk breaking the law in obtaining it. Plus, while I'm ok receiving injections by a professional, I'm too squemish and nervous to want to inject something myself.

Also- how can you be sure about the purity you receive? It could be cut with any other kind of non lethal shit.

Is it possible to pass out before you've injected a non lethal quantity? I simply don't know enough about it. So, while it sounds like a lovely way to go. (My Mum was actually given heroin in the late stages of cancer in a hospital!) I think the DIY approach may not be so nice.

 

[Richard Langford]

I'm too square to risk breaking the law in obtaining it. Plus, while I'm ok receiving injections by a professional, I'm too squemish and nervous to want to inject something myself.

Also- how can you be sure about the purity you receive? It could be cut with any other kind of non lethal shit.

Is it possible to pass out before you've injected a non lethal quantity? I simply don't know enough about it. So, while it sounds like a lovely way to go. (My Mum was actually given heroin in the late stages of cancer in a hospital!) I think the DIY approach may not be so nice.

Obtaining it from the DW isn't that difficult if you put your mind to it. And IM injections aren't overly difficult - it's just like an injection into a shoulder or bottom. They're genuinely not hard.

It probably is cut with other stuff. That's why you've got to assume 25-30% of actual and up the amount accordingly or if possible get it checked.

There's a 'How to' guide on here with links to others. It's a question like everything of doing your research. I personally also looked at Oral liquid Morphine and Oxycontin (which are both available on line on the DW) and then IV Morphine (which isn't in my country) but this is effectively more or less them in a non-pharma sense.

 

[Konjac]

normal doses of heroin are one of the only things keeping me alive ironically, it gets rid of all the physical and mental pain. in a state of semi-recovery and have fallen in love so trying to stay alive right now lol, but if i ever needed to CTB this would be my method of choice. definitely one of the least painful ways to go, i have accidentally had an OD once and found it to be very peaceful until revival.

 

[NitrogenAfternoon]

It's easier to get SN than it is to get Heroin. SN is probably just as peaceful too.

 

[Richard Langford]

It's easier to get SN than it is to get Heroin. SN is probably just as peaceful too.

It is. That's arguably a major reason many decide in it's favour. However, with some concerted effort Heroin is obtainable even for a person like me. And I would suggest far more peaceful.

 

[L'absent]

There are no official data from WHO, UNODC, EMCDDA or other global health bodies that say 90% of heroin overdoses are non-fatal. In contrast, mortality associated with heroin is very high and represents the majority of drug-related deaths in many areas of the world. If it were true that 90% fail, we wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of opioid-related deaths every year.

 

[Richard Langford]

More INFORMED opinion for those interested...


Thread 'HEROIN / megathread / Shall we start?' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/heroin-megathread-shall-we-start.21255/

 

[L'absent]

The purity of seized heroin can vary greatly: according to sources like UNODC or the DEA, it can range roughly between 10% and 40%, or even between 20% and 60%, depending on the region of origin and the point in the supply chain at which it is intercepted. Near production areas (such as Afghanistan or the so-called "Golden Triangle" in Southeast Asia), higher percentages are often found, while along the Balkan route or in final markets in Europe and the United States, the drug is frequently cut multiple times, lowering its purity to under 10%. However, cutting it does not always make the substance less dangerous, because in some cases synthetic opioids like fentanyl are added, drastically increasing its potency and the risk of overdose. For example, if we consider a theoretical lethal dose of 300 mg of pure heroin for a non-tolerant individual (via intravenous injection), even a batch with an extremely low purity of 7% can be fatal when taken in quantities of 15 or 20 grams, since these amounts contain 1050 mg and 1400 mg of active ingredient respectively, far exceeding potentially lethal levels. In short, even when the percentage of pure heroin seems low, the presence of other opioids or larger doses can make the substance even more deadly.

 

[Richard Langford]

The purity of seized heroin can vary greatly: according to sources like UNODC or the DEA, it can range roughly between 10% and 40%, or even between 20% and 60%, depending on the region of origin and the point in the supply chain at which it is intercepted. Near production areas (such as Afghanistan or the so-called "Golden Triangle" in Southeast Asia), higher percentages are often found, while along the Balkan route or in final markets in Europe and the United States, the drug is frequently cut multiple times, lowering its purity to under 10%. However, cutting it does not always make the substance less dangerous, because in some cases synthetic opioids like fentanyl are added, drastically increasing its potency and the risk of overdose. For example, if we consider a theoretical lethal dose of 300 mg of pure heroin for a non-tolerant individual (via intravenous injection), even a batch with an extremely low purity of 7% can be fatal when taken in quantities of 15 or 20 grams, since these amounts contain 1050 mg and 1400 mg of active ingredient respectively, far exceeding potentially lethal levels. In short, even when the percentage of pure heroin seems low, the presence of other opioids or larger doses can make the substance even more deadly.

Is it possible to take 15-20 grms?

 

[L'absent]

Is it possible to take 15-20 grms?

Of course, from a purely physical point of view, it is possible to introduce 15 or 20 grams of heroin into your body, even if the purity is only 7-10%. The problem is that, in those 15-20 grams, there would still be 1-2 grams of active ingredient, a quantity that far exceeds the lethal threshold for anyone, including consumers with a high tolerance. The idea that the body always manages to "expel" the substance, whether rectally or intravenously, is unfounded: in intravenous administration, the drug enters directly into the bloodstream and cannot be rejected; rectally, even if partial elimination may occur, such a massive dose is still absorbed sufficiently to cause an overdose. In essence, yes, physically introducing that quantity is possible, but there is no defense reflex capable of avoiding the risk of death. Obviously this is the worst case scenario, with very low purity and without considering additions of other opioids often present in the batches.

It's easier to get SN than it is to get Heroin. SN is probably just as peaceful too.

I wouldn't take it for granted that getting SN is extremely easier. the distribution channels of sodium nitrite are now much more controlled than before. Let's say that it is still a legal substance and that in any case it is not subject to checks by the police, even if cases have occurred. however, when intercepted, it cannot be ruled out that a person will still be referred to psychiatry or suicide support centres. For this and other reasons it is no longer worrying to obtain heroin as a user because the user ultimately does not incur the risks of the distributor or call him a dealer. The fact that being found with heroin means the impossibility of having access to weapons in the future is also valid for sodium nitrite if it is ascertained that it was ordered for the purpose of suicide. Furthermore, I believe that in order to get caught it is less easy to go to a drug dealer than to order sodium nitrite online, with all the traceability that this entails. I have a complete disagreement on whether SN is as peaceful as heroin. death from heroin overdose is a hundred thousand times better than what happens in the death process with sodium nitrite.