has anyone seen this?

[Deleted member 14386]

You have a good point. If they manage to recruit even more pro-lifers, they would probably have more ammo to use against us. Even though the person who created that group is a hateful prick, by trying to infiltrate them and drive them away, it will make it easier for them to make us look like the bad guys, while they ride around on their high horse looking like a hero to their fellow pro-lifers.

It was a blast making fun of them while SS members were spying on them, but maybe it was a mistake? I don't know. Even if their group goes away, they might find another pro-life group that someone else started, maybe one that has more influence.

Personally I think there should be at least 1 member just to feedback to us if needed, but I agree I think the fun should be over, as you said we don't wanna appear badly (they'll just make a big deal of it, calling us threatening or stalkers)

 

[TooLate2582]

I can't find it now. ‍

 

[SleepyTime]

Wow, I was reading this thread and then checking it out on FB. It amazes me how the people on FB are so stupid when it comes to privacy.

The admin of that group is a crappy blog writer. On her personal blog it is all about blogging for a living and the number one post is about getting free stuff on Amazon. And getting it by using Swagbucks, which is a tracking service/search engine that completely tracks you online in exchange for some credits that can be used to buy stuff on Amazon. And so she pushes other people to use this tracking service ("click here and I'll receive a referral bonus"). But then on another site she publishes blog posts concerning protection of children using a paid service that completely tracks kids online and all of social media - family locator, call and text messages, all photos, web history, address book and calendar, geofencing and speed alerts, mobile data usage, installed apps, screen lock, app blocker, website filtering, daily email reports, alerts and notifications, etc. So on the one hand she pushes people to join her in losing their privacy for a few items from Amazon, and on the other hand she is pushing for people to subscribe to a service that tracks their kids. Wait, I just realized they are both about her promoting people to lose their privacy, in the first instance she gets free stuff and in the second, well it isn't her that is losing her privacy.

Another follower on the group is a music promoter who found the group from one of her clients. I am always amazed when people get involved in posting on the internet with their real name which links to their business website. I wonder how all of her other clients and customers feel about getting possibly dragged into these discussions. But then she'll realize her personal business is at stake and then delete her messages. Happens all the time, people post things on FB or Twitter, or Instagram and forget that everything on the web gets copied and sent around and never goes away.

 

[Eurus]

Wow, I was reading this thread and then checking it out on FB. It amazes me how the people on FB are so stupid when it comes to privacy.

The admin of that group is a crappy blog writer. On her personal blog it is all about blogging for a living and the number one post is about getting free stuff on Amazon. And getting it by using Swagbucks, which is a tracking service/search engine that completely tracks you online in exchange for some credits that can be used to buy stuff on Amazon. And so she pushes other people to use this tracking service ("click here and I'll receive a referral bonus"). But then on another site she publishes blog posts concerning protection of children using a paid service that completely tracks kids online and all of social media - family locator, call and text messages, all photos, web history, address book and calendar, geofencing and speed alerts, mobile data usage, installed apps, screen lock, app blocker, website filtering, daily email reports, alerts and notifications, etc. So on the one hand she pushes people to join her in losing their privacy for a few items from Amazon, and on the other hand she is pushing for people to subscribe to a service that tracks their kids. Wait, I just realized they are both about her promoting people to lose their privacy, in the first instance she gets free stuff and in the second, well it isn't her that is losing her privacy.

Another follower on the group is a music promoter who found the group from one of her clients. I am always amazed when people get involved in posting on the internet with their real name which links to their business website. I wonder how all of her other clients and customers feel about getting possibly dragged into these discussions. But then she'll realize her personal business is at stake and then delete her messages. Happens all the time, people post things on FB or Twitter, or Instagram and forget that everything on the web gets copied and sent around and never goes away.

You are ABSOLUTELY correct!

 

[Soulless_Angel]

Well thank you everyone for giving them the attention they need. Lets us band together and take them down. Let us stoop to there levels to show them we are childish and immature as they are. I do wonder why wars get started sometimes. But then again i look upon how people react to other peoples thoughts and say "Oh yeah" they don't agree.

Peace Out Folks

Whilst i agree on part, by hitting back its let them know that we won't take shit and we will not let them try and take us down.
I do think the fun should stop now, now it's been made clear to them we are aware of their plans and so in that instance we will be one step ahead of them each time.
We are now aware of them, they are aware we are aware, 2 little people against a big forum, they thought they had an army but in reality they have nothing. I hope they see this now.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

Any direct link please?

 

[Deleted member 1465]

We'll if **any one** were trying to infiltrate what they thought was a secret suicide cult, with a secret back door, the first thing they'd likely do is:

1. ask what everyone thinks?
2. pit "us" against "them" to make sure they are seen as part of the "cult"
3. repeatedly post problems with vague information looking for someone to make a suggestion (to be used as "evidence" of coercion)
4. make posts that appear to go above and beyond the basic topic of suicide that infer *their* ideas of the website NOT the *actual* representation of the site.

Honestly the majority stick out without effort like a sore thumb because its quite clear they:

1. dont understand what its like to feel suicidal on a daily basis for years
2. have an agenda and an approach that reflects their agenda which is NOT synonymous with being pro-choice
3. are just trying too hard to fit in.

These are observations i have made myself too. It is pretty obvious. I refrained from pointing it out though, so the tactics wouldn't change. I guess it makes no difference now though.

I do wonder why wars get started sometimes

Wars get started because of exactly this sort of conflict.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

Wow, I was reading this thread and then checking it out on FB. It amazes me how the people on FB are so stupid when it comes to privacy.
.....
Another follower on the group is a music promoter who found the group from one of her clients. I am always amazed when people get involved in posting on the internet with their real name which links to their business website. I wonder how all of her other clients and customers feel about getting possibly dragged into these discussions. But then she'll realize her personal business is at stake and then delete her messages. Happens all the time, people post things on FB or Twitter, or Instagram and forget that everything on the web gets copied and sent around and never goes away.

The music promoter is one of our own members who joined for the fun of it. Without this Facebook debacle I would have never known her real name or the business she runs or who her clients are. Now it's all out in the open and linked back to thousands of suicide-related posts.

I've tried to warn members here regarding privacy and protecting their identity. Despite the warnings, they threw all caution to the wind and revealed their real names and personal information for the sake of 5 minutes of cheap entertainment.

I guess humans are prone to blindly lashing out when they feel threatened. Add some pack mentality, and all common sense goes out the window. Don't know if the risk was worth the reward (of trolling an inconsequential FB group and bullying and villifying a former member's grieving parents).

A lot of members got a good laugh out of it (and we sure can use more of those)...but at what expense? This whole thread is really sad and represents our forum and members in the worst light.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I guess humans are prone to blindly lashing out when they feel threatened. Add some pack mentality, and all common sense goes out the window. Don't know if the risk was worth the reward (of trolling an inconsequential FB group and bullying and villifying a former member's grieving parents).

A lot of members got a good laugh out of it (and we sure can use more of those)...but at what expense? This whole thread is really sad and represents our forum and members in the worst light.

I really, really, really wish I didn't tend to agree with this.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

A lot of members got a good laugh out of it (and we sure can use more of those)...but at what expense? This whole thread is really sad and represents our forum and members in the worst light.

I really, really, really wish I didn't tend to agree with this.

Do you not think the thread shows us as a very bonded community how care about a place where we can be ourselves. And that we want to protect it at all costs because our lives would be alot worse without it.
They have shown how crazy they are by screen shotting everything etc, I think the ones who have painted themselves in a bad light are those pro-lifers from fb, however now I think it needs to end, but it was some light entertainment, which in reality did take us out our own dark spaces for a while.

 

[riglad]

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Apparently there's groups forming on social media to stop our forum lol

People always have to stick their nose in everything.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Do you not think the thread shows us as a very bonded community how care about a place where we can be ourselves. And that we want to protect it at all costs because our lives would be alot worse without it.
They have shown how crazy they are by screen shotting everything etc, I think the ones who have painted themselves in a bad light are those pro-lifers from fb, however now I think it needs to end, but it was some light entertainment, which in reality did take us out our own dark spaces for a while.

I don't disagree with you, I just think its complex. Sometimes there are more important things than being right or wrong, winning or losing and a long game is always going to pay more dividends than an instant reaction imo, even if it IS justified in the defence of what we value. It's likely that any attempt to get something more positive out of this would have failed, I can see that. I still would have liked to have tried. I expect the worst in people from experience, but I still want to hope for the best in them despite that.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I reported one of the admins (Nerual Yam) as fake account, which forced him to change his fake name to a clear name. Success. And they're saying we're hiding behind anonymity.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

I don't disagree with you, I just think its complex. Sometimes there are more important things than being right or wrong, winning or losing and a long game is always going to pay more dividends than an instant reaction imo, even if it IS justified in the defence of what we value. It's likely that any attempt to get something more positive out of this would have failed, I can see that. I still would have liked to have tried. I expect the worst in people from experience, but I still want to hope for the best in them despite that.

I think the biggest problem here is that some groups of people are just unwilling to engage in a dialogue. They see something they disagree with and want to shut it down.
They don't want to understand it or even speak to people to hear an opposing view.
I think if the fb group had been willing to debate, things wouldn't have gone so far.
What these people who want to shut us down don't see is they are acting very much like the book burnings of nazi Germany, see something you don't agree with/or can't understand and destroy it.
Merely my opinion.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Every post from here scraped and saved 24/7? That's either some cool tech or a dedicated work force working in shifts. I'm impressed.

Nothing new, the entire internet is cataloged in real time and has been for many years now.

Here's a little something for them if they're watching.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think the biggest problem here is that some groups of people are just unwilling to engage in a dialogue. They see something they disagree with and want to shut it down.
They don't want to understand it or even speak to people to hear an opposing view.
I think if the fb group had been willing to debate, things wouldn't have gone so far.
What these people who want to shut us down don't see is they are acting very much like the book burnings of nazi Germany, see something you don't agree with/or can't understand and destroy it.
Merely my opinion.

Yeah, that I agree with and it makes me very sad and despondent. What I'm finding weird is that I still wanted to try, despite that. IRL I am regarded as a pessimist but I've always argued that I'm not, I'm just experienced. Hahaha an optimist with experience = a pessimist in others eyes.

 

[RainAndSadness]

You're welcome.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Yeah, that I agree with and it makes me very sad and despondent. What I'm finding weird is that I still wanted to try, despite that. IRL I am regarded as a pessimist but I've always argued that I'm not, I'm just experienced. Hahaha an optimist with experience = a pessimist in others eyes.

I would say I'm very pessimistic, but I don't describe myself as a pessimist. I call myself a realist. Because a pessimist thinks things will go bad, a realist knows they will.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I would say I'm very pessimistic, but I don't describe myself as a pessimist. I call myself a realist. Because a pessimist thinks things will go bad, a realist knows they will.

LOL have you read my signature?

 

[Suicide_vampire]

LOL have you read my signature?

Just read, I totally agree and like it

 

[RainAndSadness]

They changed their group privacy to hidden, which means the group can't be found anymore by anyone who isn't already in the group. That basically means we win because they won't attract any new members anymore. Guess, it wasn't that hard to shut them down.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Just read, I totally agree and like it

Hahaha I just read yours. I used to work in archaeology. In the field there is another bastardised saying, when asked how its's going.
'Same shit, different depth.'

 

[faust]

I guess music promoter does a good job in music promotion, but promoting anti-pro-suicide-cult group in FB is a little bit different thing, don't you find this a ludicrous thing?

 

[Meretlein]

Maybe if they want to stop suicide they should try to prevent what causes it instead of just locking people into an existence that they never asked for.

David Foster Wallace compared suicide to jumping out of a burning building. These people are locking the windows instead of putting out the fire.

 

[RainAndSadness]

How to win a debate: Insult your opponent, lie and shut down the debate by turning off their ability to respond. Delete their posts completely and kick them from the group. That, my friends, is why they're losing the discussion on the right to die. That's why they want to tear us down, because they know, they can't defeat us in an open and honest debate.

 

[Soulless_Angel]

they dont understand, NOT my post

 

[ithappens]

Wow, what a surprise, the admin couldn't answer the question so instead he gives a vague "That isn't a way for help." Response. Well gee whiz, mister, what is the way for help?? Many people are in the situation Keme described but nobody has an answer for them apparently other than just "stay alive lol".



And yet more people completely misunderstanding the sorts of people that come to this website for help. Do you really think I'd be here right now if suicide hotlines did anything? If suicide hotlines were helpful I'd probably be out living it up, but unless you're just feeling extremely impulsive they're not. They are not helpful for someone like me with clinical depression.



This would be a charming sentiment if it were true, but given how most humans in this world treat other humans I would have to say every life does NOT matter. Or at least they don't matter until they're an inconvenience to others around them. If "every life mattered" there would be better mental health care available, more emphasis on treating others with kindness, etc, etc. But all I see outside of this forum is cruelty and a lack of help for real world problems other than "Throw $100+ at this guy and he'll listen to you whine for 45 minutes." Oh, and victim blaming. Lots and lots of victim blaming. If "every life mattered" I again probably would not be here. Humans like to demonstrate on the daily just how little every life matters.

 

[BabyYoda]

Well shit. This is why I'm afraid of someone finding out about my account even tho I try to be as anonymous as I can.

 

[Empty Smile]

Any direct link please?

See if this helps...

https://m.facebook.com/groups/800812023763411?multi_permalinks=810948512749762&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&notif_id=1582590174568522&ref=m_notif

 

[Kikoo Loool]

See if this helps...

https://m.facebook.com/groups/800812023763411?multi_permalinks=810948512749762&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&notif_id=1582590174568522&ref=m_notif

Errr I haven't any Facebook account Thank you anyway!