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Pale_Rider

Pale_Rider

Arcanist
Apr 21, 2025
445
For me if a psych was to come on here, and stalk me Id be screwed. They would likely be very concerned. Im willing to work on the source; my DID, and PTSD. Im not willing to discuss suicide options. I will discuss my past attempted, and indeed that my cover. Yes , of course I think about suicide, but a good psych will trap me. So no. It could get rough, but I will never give this site up. I need someplace to put these words.
 
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Ready_2go

Still here…unfortunately
Apr 29, 2025
25
Didn't a federal judge block the Trump passport order? Also could your other documents be changed therefore you are in fact consistent?

In terms of trans Healthcare. To be honest I could have the conversation. But honestly I don't want to. That said the words "proven", "life saving" are literature wise wrong unless new robust studies have come out. The vast majority of the studies at least back when I was reviewing the literature also actively engaged in bad science to prove their hypothesis. By having low numbers, not being double blind, etc... Universities also simply won't hire people who are conservatives so well is already poisioned as it were. Most studies were also extremely difficult to conduct as the dropout/suicide rate were so high that studies couldn't be properly conducted. So results were difficult to interpret as well. The few good studies high n and proper protocols basically showed improvement for 5 years until 10 years when you were at or below your start point. Longitudinal studies are also uncommon even in this field. So the entire breadth isn't encapsulated. So proven no.

Also the difference between pediatrics and adults is also monumental and you are dealing with really two different things and two different conversations. Kids and adults are just really really different.

All excellent points and I don't disagree with you fundamentally. You're right too - studies in general are lacking. Especially long term understanding of the therapy and effects. Studies can also be influenced by orchestrators as well and swayed in certain directions absolutely. Yes, I used some all or nothing words and I shouldn't have made such affirmative sweeping statements. My apologies.

I can only speak from my experience as a trans woman (I was 30 when I started and have been undergoing therapy for 4 years). All I can say is hormones changed my life. I am a proven case. Every single individual I have met who also have begun hormone treatments stated it saved their lives. Childhood was an absolute hell for me. I had no idea why but I knew something was wrong with me early on. Cutting started quickly for me which spurned two suicide attempts before making it to high school. Now imagine instead a world that has accepted thousands of documented cases of hormone therapy as legitimate and doesn't question the efficacy of treatment. What would happen? Absolutely nothing at all. People would live as they truly are without being stigmatized. Conversely, think of this. What if we lived in a world where having cancer was stigmatized. Those inflicted would be ostracized and excluded from social groups and told how terrible they are because they contracted cancer. And care that had shown to work was banned because, well, we don't understand it so we don't like it.

I get that unknown things are scary. I get that a "normal" person will never ever truly know the pain inflicted by gender dysphoria. And honestly I am ok if people don't take the time to educate themselves about a disease that affects less than 1% of the population. I don't do it for the myriad of other 1% diseases personally so why would others? But unless it directly impacts your life, then you don't have any skin in the game. I don't make comments or shout my opinions on things that I do not know or have not experienced. And honestly I don't care to either. I just don't get why people think it's ok to do that in this case.
 
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brokeandbroken

Enlightened
Apr 18, 2023
1,157
All excellent points and I don't disagree with you fundamentally. You're right too - studies in general are lacking. Especially long term understanding of the therapy and effects. Studies can also be influenced by orchestrators as well and swayed in certain directions absolutely. Yes, I used some all or nothing words and I shouldn't have made such affirmative sweeping statements. My apologies.

I can only speak from my experience as a trans woman (I was 30 when I started and have been undergoing therapy for 4 years). All I can say is hormones changed my life. I am a proven case. Every single individual I have met who also have begun hormone treatments stated it saved their lives. Childhood was an absolute hell for me. I had no idea why but I knew something was wrong with me early on. Cutting started quickly for me which spurned two suicide attempts before making it to high school. Now imagine instead a world that has accepted thousands of documented cases of hormone therapy as legitimate and doesn't question the efficacy of treatment. What would happen? Absolutely nothing at all. People would live as they truly are without being stigmatized. Conversely, think of this. What if we lived in a world where having cancer was stigmatized. Those inflicted would be ostracized and excluded from social groups and told how terrible they are because they contracted cancer. And care that had shown to work was banned because, well, we don't understand it so we don't like it.

I get that unknown things are scary. I get that a "normal" person will never ever truly know the pain inflicted by gender dysphoria. And honestly I am ok if people don't take the time to educate themselves about a disease that affects less than 1% of the population. I don't do it for the myriad of other 1% diseases personally so why would others? But unless it directly impacts your life, then you don't have any skin in the game. I don't make comments or shout my opinions on things that I do not know or have not experienced. And honestly I don't care to either. I just don't get why people think it's ok to do that in this case.
For thank you for the kind words hopefully you'll see in my earlier posts I was trying to add levity and make you laugh while making a point. I rarely have these conversations with any malice. For me it is interesting fun and a good place to learn.

In terms of yourself and those you know I am glad that you are doing well. Again I don't wish harm on anyone. I just go where the science goes. I'm sorry childhood and your young adulthood was hell.

That said when deciding on treatments and whether or not something works anecdotal studies matter in that it is a person. But when deciding on general treatment modalities especially ones with life long impacts you can't use those are your guide posts. You need studies, research, and data. Those studies research and data are at best again unless robust studies have surfaced of late unproven. But generally the research has shown improvement for up to 5 years before it declines to levels at the beginning or no benefit at all. Studies have even shown that in terms of feeling like they are being misgendered it actually doesn't have an impact. In fact iirc they actually while not statistically significant did worse.

The current field as well seeks to steer away from some of the incredibly salient pieces of the equation like the very large social component. For instance 6x the normal rate of the trans population is autistic.

Look personally I go where the research and data goes. Because if the data doesn't say there is benefit and there's huge money in the field. Combined with the interaction in the social sphere. It seems unless the data real soon doesn't return screaming then the alternative answer is a lot of people are being lied to and lifes being destroyed because of money and politics.

To use your number if you say thousands have benefitted. Okay great. But what happens if significantly more had to die for that benefit? There's also in medicine the placebo aspect. Where if people think they are going to benefit you dont need to actually have a benefit to see some benefit. But it is almost impossible to discern where benefit comes from as the studies are rarely double blind. Or for instance in studies on brains. The researcher knew who was who going in so they could say oh that persons such and such gender.

The bottom line is and I guess you did get me to talk about it is. A lot of people have an agenda on this topic. I care about the science and what the science says. I mean i spent a good amount of my adult life in medicine and another good amount studying for my psychology degree. Like this prevailing notion you need personal experience to feel a certain type of way is preposterous. I've never been a slave or experienced it but I am of the opinion slavery is wrong. Should I have no opinion on the matter? I dont have cancer but I can have the opinion fuck cancer. Should I have no opinion on the matter? Like i said I go to where the studies, the facts, and the science are at. While scientists can lie the data doesnt especially if the study is done with as little confounding factors as possible.

Alright I'm going to sleep this was way too long. I do hope you have a response. Again i do respect your opinions and I enjoy hearing them.
 
maneose

maneose

天天天国地獄国
Sep 10, 2023
139
my friend saw me on here again (i've talked about it several times and used it in from of them) and finally said something that seemed like they cared after seeing it the other day. something on the fence of "yeah, definitely not concerning, definitely won't be calling someone over this". which did worry me a bit because as much as i want help sometimes, i really don't want to have my mom involved in my suicidal thoughts or actions again. and for a while i was worried each time my mom would get a text or call, but nothing happened! no email from the school or question from my mom, honestly i think they forgot after bringing it up lol
 
2messdup

2messdup

Enlightened
Feb 10, 2024
1,162
None of the welfare checks in UK have been because someone uses this site. My mental health worker knows I use it and I think accepts it's a source of support for me, or at least has never advised me not to use it