Method Guns/firearms megathread

[TiredHorse]

Does anyone know of a way to access a gun in england? Is it easy to get to a shooting range and shoot a pistol? would it technically be possible?

I know nothing of the exact gun laws in England, but it is my understanding that gaining access to a gun, even temporarily at a range, is very difficult. I hope someone with more precise knowledge will enter the conversation --but I fear that there is little such knowledge in the forum's collective experience just because there is so little access to guns that no one here has explored it.

 

[sif]

I know nothing of the exact gun laws in England, but it is my understanding that gaining access to a gun, even temporarily at a range, is very difficult. I hope someone with more precise knowledge will enter the conversation --but I fear that there is little such knowledge in the forum's collective experience just because there is so little access to guns that no one here has explored it.

It's understandable, I just thought it was quite easy to get into a range at the very least, if you seem sane enough

 

[TiredHorse]

It's understandable, I just thought it was quite easy to get into a range at the very least, if you seem sane enough

I'm really sorry; I just don't know enough to say with any certainty.

 

[Kellogg's]

Is just a hunting license necessarily enough to obtain a hunting gun in a EU country these days btw? Because IME the cops think you might be a loony or a suicide (probably the latter?) and then come up with any excuse why all your gun license applications must be denied.

 

[Stillnotsure]

That's kind of what I'm thinking....I mean, I'm dry firing a bit but not too much and I would rather it all surprise me rather than worry about this, that and the other.

Exactly. And dry firing isn't damaging to revolvers. That's what you have if I remember right. Semiautomatic pistols risk bending the firing pin or so I've heard, but Ive never seen it. I had a class where we were all shooting 9mm semiautomatic pistols. They had been used for years in this class. Dry fired multiple times daily. Still worked like a dream.

 

[TiredHorse]

Mostly it's .22 that gave everyone the impression guns shouldn't be dry fired. A .22 is a rimfire cartridge, not a centerfire, meaning that the firing pin strikes the edge of the casing to light off the round, crimping it against the edge of the chamber, rather than dimpling a primer in the center of the casing. If there's no casing to strike (dry fire = empty chamber), the firing pin instead strikes the edge of the chamber and damages both the pin and the chamber. With a centerfire gun --everything other than .22-- when there's no cartidge in the gun the firing pin just strikes the air in the middle of the chamber: no damage.

I suspect that piece of advice --"never dry fire a gun"-- began back in the era when anyone learning to shoot a gun was a little kid learning on a rimfire .22 rifle. So you give the little kid the blanket command, "never dry fire!", and the gun doesn't get damaged. Later on, when they're knowledgeable enough to understand nuance, and big enough to be using centerfire guns (typically more powerful), the rule becomes more flexible.

There may be some exceptions to the understanding that centerfires are fine to dry fire --some people claim you shouldn't dry fire a Series 70 or Series 80 model 1911-- but in general they should be fine.

 

[zzprepro]

Mostly it's .22 that gave everyone the impression guns shouldn't be dry fired. A .22 is a rimfire cartridge, not a centerfire, meaning that the firing pin strikes the edge of the casing to light off the round, crimping it against the edge of the chamber, rather than dimpling a primer in the center of the casing. If there's no casing to strike (dry fire = empty chamber), the firing pin instead strikes the edge of the chamber and damages both the pin and the chamber. With a centerfire gun --everything other than .22-- when there's no cartidge in the gun the firing pin just strikes the air in the middle of the chamber: no damage.

I suspect that piece of advice --"never dry fire a gun"-- began back in the era when anyone learning to shoot a gun was a little kid learning on a rimfire .22 rifle. So you give the little kid the blanket command, "never dry fire!", and the gun doesn't get damaged. Later on, when they're knowledgeable enough to understand nuance, and big enough to be using centerfire guns (typically more powerful), the rule becomes more flexible.

There may be some exceptions to the understanding that centerfires are fine to dry fire --some people claim you shouldn't dry fire a Series 70 or Series 80 model 1911-- but in general they should be fine.

Dry fire everything from .38 up to .308 and never had a problem. Beside the rimfire reason, another reason why we're taught not to dry fire is it generally wear out the firing pin (which also happens when you have a round in the chamber). You want to reduce the wear and tear in your gun but generally unless you dry fire like 500 times a day for a long period of time, your gun should work fine and dandy providing that you care for your gun.

 

[CuriousAboutThis]

Damn, after looking into this thread makes me wish I still have a partner for CTB but alas I am hoping within life and the struggle within suicidal thoughts but this gives me hope in death if I really want to CTB with a partner who owns a shotgun yet I'll keep checking in this site if anyone has a shotgun and is willing to go even though I don't think I am ready or will CTB.

 

[johnny]

How would you position the shotgun when you are actually doing it? Someone said to put the stock on the ground, so in that case you would be aiming the gun basically straight up, and you would have to kneel over it, positioning yourself around it? That doesn't seem right

Is there a diagram or anything for that? I have a hard time picturing how it works with anything bigger than a handgun

 

[johnny]

Also where is a good physical location to do it with a shotgun? Ideally somewhere private. With a handgun you can basically do it anywhere since you can hide it. But you can't really conceal a shotgun. I'd rather not do it in a motel. Any other places?

 

[johnny]

So apparently the success rate of firearms is 82.5%...do you think that is really accurate? Doing some basic math here,

-45,000 people commit suicide in US every year
-lets say half of those people use guns, 22,500.
-22,500 successful gun suicides (divided by) 82.5% success rate = 27,273 total firearm attempts
-27,273 minus 22,500 = 4773 failed gun suicides every year

Does that really seem right, at all? I have a really hard time believing that. In the news you see a pro-life story about someone who put the gun under their chin, didn't die, and then got facial reconstructive surgery. But other than that you really don't see anything about this. Are they including people who held the gun to their head but were talked out of it by police or something before actually pulling the trigger? Similar to how they say someone attempted suicide at the golden gate bridge, but they never actually jumped off.

I really don't understand how lethality could only be 82.5%. If you have a 9mm or higher, aimed in some way at the brain stem ideally, shouldn't that be 100% guaranteed?

 

[TiredHorse]

How would you position the shotgun when you are actually doing it?

From what I've expermented with, yes, you have that about right: stock on the ground, you in a chair with the shotgun between your knees, muzzle in your mouth and your head tipped forward so that you're looking straight down.

Also where is a good physical location to do it with a shotgun? Ideally somewhere private. With a handgun you can basically do it anywhere since you can hide it. But you can't really conceal a shotgun. I'd rather not do it in a motel. Any other places?

There are too many variables in this question. The short answer is, "wherever you feel comfortable doing it." But it'll make both a mess and a loud noise, so someplace private would be best. As for concealing it, shotguns can often be disassembled into stock/action and barrel, which makes them easier to carry discretely.

So apparently the success rate of firearms is 82.5%...do you think that is really accurate?

That sounds accurate. A lot of people still think aiming at the temple is effective, and turn themselves into a vegetable. Or they aim under the chin, far enough back to blow out their forebrain and not far enough back to get their brainstem. Technically, in those cases, they survived...

@Stillnotsure has an especially gruesome tale from her time as a paramedic, finding a fellow crawing around in his garage, faceless, three hours after he tried to ctb with a shotgun. Technically, he survived.

 

[johnny]

From what I've expermented with, yes, you have that about right: stock on the ground, you in a chair with the shotgun between your knees, muzzle in your mouth and your head tipped forward so that you're looking straight down.

There are too many variables in this question. The short answer is, "wherever you feel comfortable doing it." But it'll make both a mess and a loud noise, so someplace private would be best. As for concealing it, shotguns can often be disassembled into stock/action and barrel, which makes them easier to carry discretely.

That sounds accurate. A lot of people still think aiming at the temple is effective, and turn themselves into a vegetable. Or they aim under the chin, far enough back to blow out their forebrain and not far enough back to get their brainstem. Technically, in those cases, they survived...

@Stillnotsure has an especially gruesome tale from her time as a paramedic, finding a fellow crawing around in his garage, faceless, three hours after he tried to ctb with a shotgun. Technically, he survived.

So the shotgun is aimed up towards the sky? In all the shotgun suicide pics i've seen, it looks like the person was sitting down and angled the gun towards them at a 45 degree or so angle.

What about basic shotguns that don't get disassembled? What would be the options for that?

I know there are occasional stories like that about someone surviving, but that still sounds way too high to me, maybe im wrong

 

[johnny]

Also do you guys think it's a good idea to take a couple shots of alcohol before hand to get over the SI? Or would that not be a good idea?

 

[TiredHorse]

So the shotgun is aimed up towards the sky? In all the shotgun suicide pics i've seen, it looks like the person was sitting down and angled the gun towards them at a 45 degree or so angle.

A great deal will depend on how tall your chair is, how tall you are, and how long the shotgun is. However you end up positioning the gun on the floor, the geometry all needs to end up with the gun pointing toward the back of your mouth, not toward the roof of your mouth. The times I've experimented with it, it has been very awkward no matter how I sit or hold the gun, and not being very tall (5'8"), reaching the trigger when the muzzle is in my mouth has been awkward as well.

What about basic shotguns that don't get disassembled? What would be the options for that?

I don't know that there are any good options for being subtle with a full-length shotgun. As you may have read, I have here and there suggested that if your sole purpose of having the shotgun is to ctb, cutting down both the stock and the barrel to create a 12ga pistol may be an option to consider. It will instantly turn you into a felon for having an illegally shortened firearm, but they're hardly going to put you on the witness stand if you're dead.

Also do you guys think it's a good idea to take a couple shots before hand to get over the SI? Or would that not be a good idea?

I would recommend against it, on the grounds that a shotgun blast is rather shocking, and having that memory to fortify your imagination may actually strengthen your SI. By all means dry-fire the gun, just to make sure you can effectively reach the trigger when the time comes, but I don't think I would give my imagination any more resources than it already has.

 

[johnny]

Sorry I meant shots of alcohol, not firing the gun a couple times and then turning it on yourself

 

[Dominik]

[QUOTE = "TiredHorse, post: 182896, member: 3720"] Je ne connais pas la législation exacte en matière d'armes à feu en Angleterre, mais j'ai bien compris qu'il est très difficile d'obtenir l'accès à une arme à feu, même temporairement. J'espère que quelqu'un avec des connaissances plus précises entrera dans la conversation - mais je crains que l'expérience collective du forum ne contienne que de telles connaissances simplement parce que l'accès aux armes à feu est si limité que personne ici ne les a explorées. [/ QUOTE]

 

[Dominik]

[QUOTE = "Dominik, post: 201560, member: 5137"] [QUOTE = "TiredHorse, post: 182896, member: 3720"] Je ne connais pas la législation sur les armes à feu en Angleterre, mais j ' I bien compris qu'il est très difficile d'accéder à une arme à feu, même temporairement. J'espère que quelqu'un avec des connaissances entrera dans la conversation - mais que je l'aurais fait collectivement du forum les a explorées. [/ QUOTE] [/ QUOTE]


I do not know about England but some countries in Europe accepted the purchase of black powder weapons on presentation of an identity card. This remains a lethal weapon that has killed a lot in the past. And I suppose some soldiers had to commit suicide with these weapons .. A 44 caliber even in black powder, it remains a 44 caliber. Very good compensation for me.

 

[Tomey]

Any firearm dealers in Israel?

If you found a way please inform me, i am from Israel to.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

Is there a website or online dealer where you could get a gun and ammo shipped to your address?

There is no gun store anywhere close in my area and I have no vehicle to go make a purchase without arousing suspicion.

 

[TAW122]

Not that I know of, at least in the US. Even online dealers and websites and what not have to go through an FFL (Federal Firearms Licensed) dealer to transfer the firearm. Which then you would have to go the said FFL and pass a background check, pay the transfer fee (varies between shops and FFL's) then pick up said firearm.

 

[SirChuxAlot]

Wanted to point out in this thread (If it hasn't already, still have a lot to read.) if you own a semi automatic handgun (Magazine fed) of common caliber, there is an ammo called, R.I.P. which is developed by G2 Research. I attached a picture of the box I bought.
This specific ammo is designed to have the copper split in multiple areas and cause massive damage while still creating an exit wound without over penetration. Seen in videos on Youtube that most of the damage is done inside upon entry.

For those with revolvers (cylinder operated), Federal brand name Jacketed Hollow Points to this date have the highest rating for mushroom ability and exit wound creation. It is also the only brand of ammo that was adopted by the FBI and passed it's stringent needs and tests.

Shotguns I can't speak for but there are shells called PDX manufactured by Winchester which has a slug and .00 buckshot behind it for further damage which was designed primarily for home defense.

From what I have gathered working in the firearms industry for about 6 years before lay off (My knowledge is getting a bit rusty), most "self defense" ammo is designed to cause massive damage as most home owners intend to kill their target to avoid prosecution (where castle laws apply of course) though no one comes out in the open about it.

An important tip to remember is, never cheap out on ammo and choose a relatively decent reliable firearm. Also practice, practice, practice, get a feel for the firearm and understand and get a feel for it's recoil, specifically using one handed shooting method. (Pointless to use the two handed method if you are using this method).
You CAN'T go back once the trigger is pulled and even if the slim chances come about, you have a possibility of being disabled or disfigured for the rest of your life.

I hope this is of good reading and feel free to give corrections or criticisms.

Stay safe everyone, much love.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Wanted to point out in this thread (If it hasn't already, still have a lot to read.) if you own a semi automatic handgun (Magazine fed) of common caliber, there is an ammo called, R.I.P. which is developed by G2 Research. I attached a picture of the box I bought.
This specific ammo is designed to have the copper split in multiple areas and cause massive damage while still creating an exit wound without over penetration. Seen in videos on Youtube that most of the damage is done inside upon entry.

For those with revolvers (cylinder operated), Federal brand name Jacketed Hollow Points to this date have the highest rating for mushroom ability and exit wound creation. It is also the only brand of ammo that was adopted by the FBI and passed it's stringent needs and tests.

Shotguns I can't speak for but there are shells called PDX manufactured by Winchester which has a slug and .00 buckshot behind it for further damage which was designed primarily for home defense.

From what I have gathered working in the firearms industry for about 6 years before lay off (My knowledge is getting a bit rusty), most "self defense" ammo is designed to cause massive damage as most home owners intend to kill their target to avoid prosecution (where castle laws apply of course) though no one comes out in the open about it.

An important tip to remember is, never cheap out on ammo and choose a relatively decent reliable firearm. Also practice, practice, practice, get a feel for the firearm and understand and get a feel for it's recoil, specifically using one handed shooting method. (Pointless to use the two handed method if you are using this method).
You CAN'T go back once the trigger is pulled and even if the slim chances come about, you have a possibility of being disabled or disfigured for the rest of your life.

I hope this is of good reading and feel free to give corrections or criticisms.

Stay safe everyone, much love.

I remember seeing those they are insane those rounds, unfortunately I can´t get them in Denmark so I will have to make due with my Magtech 9mm 115 grains JHP rounds.

 

[123die]

In Canada, where I live, it seems you have to take an entire course then apply for a license to be able to own a gun and I can't do that cause of the court proceedings I'm currently involved with. So how do I find someone who has a licence who could get the gun for me? Or something. Advice?

 

[TheLastStraw]

Can someone chime in on my plan?

-So I will buy 4 12 gauges

-Put them side by side, butt on the ground

-I will lie down on a bed, my head will hang over, resting on the 4 barrels at the back of my head

-I will have a metal or wooden bar run across all 4 triggers and have a stick on each end of the bar to push down on

It may sound like too much, but I would rather too much than too little

 

[Thisisme373]

I'm so jealous of all you people who are able to obtain firearms, I'm in the UK so can't get one

 

[Thisisme373]

Well. I bought one. Feels weird but good that I could possibly leave at any moment I want to now.

I can't lie, I'm very jealous

 

[favourite]

I wish I could get a gun (preferably a shotgun), but the strict law in my country makes it nearly impossible for a common citizen - the only way is to buy an entry card to a shooting range and make it my final place. It's far from perfect solution and I don't really want to get any third parties involved, but I can't think of any other way.

 

[Coral7]

ASAP: any reliable gun dealers in Chile? Or at least closer? Or anyone who have any idea or possibility in order to get one here or around? I am hoping to obtain N, but my current circumstances are extreme and the clock is ticking.

Please do not hesitate in send me a MP with any guide, help, light in this regard. Thanks very much friends.

 

[Jacquelyn]

Let me go ahead and simplify this,

Shotgun, 12g #00 Buck, side of the head

If I'm correct this is going to blow me to bits. No errors could possibly be made, right?