Method Guns/firearms megathread

[leloyon]

Question about shotgun in mouth (00 buckshot) Excuse my ignorance but are we shooting into the hard palate or soft palate? Might be related, but I see conflicting information on angle. I think I've seen like 12 degrees and 45 degrees referenced. Any help?

Also, is it fair to say that neither issue matters too much with a shotgun and 00 buckshot?

Making me tap the sign.


Aim for that, no protractor needed desu.

I'm not a firearms expert but I know enough to know that shooting yourself anywhere besides the head is a very bad idea. The general consensus of experts here is that your best bet is to aim through the mouth, centered and slightly upward, so as to hit the brainstem.

Yeah basically this.
The only firearm that could even be entertained to be used anywhere besides one's head is shotgun to the heart, and even then, why would you? It's going to be a gruesome sight either way, you're not getting an open-casket funeral. In the case of firearms, one must understand that unless a .22LR is used (highly not recommended if literally any other option is available) they're sacrificing a peaceful-looking corpse for the sake of effectiveness.

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

The only firearm that could even be entertained to be used anywhere besides one's head is shotgun to the heart, and even then, why would you?

Even if a gunshot to the heart is successful, it's gonna be way more painful than a shot to the head. Consider the case of Van Gogh, who shot himself in the chest and lived for two more days in agony before finally succumbing to his wound. Granted, that was over a century ago and the gun he used was very antiquated by today's standards, but the point still stands.

 

[leloyon]

Even if a gunshot to the heart is successful, it's gonna be way more painful than a shot to the head. Consider the case of Van Gogh, who shot himself in the chest and lived for two more days in agony before finally succumbing to his wound. Granted, that was over a century ago and the gun he used was very antiquated by today's standards, but the point still stands.

Yeah, that's why I said what I said. It's going to be gruesome either way, it's going to hurt more, despite still having a high likelihood of death it's still just adding unnecessary risk...
I said that it was the only way worth entertaining where one doesn't aim for the head, not that it was good. Just that anything else wouldn't even be worth considering at all.

 

[Solace]

Question to those who have studied firearm effectiveness:

My big fear of using firearms for ctb (other than missing) is that rather than losing consciousness immediately, it might take a second. And even a very short amount of time in that sort of extreme pain seems worse to me than minutes of something like SN pain. Does this fear seem rational or irrational to you? Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

 

[LigottiSchopenhauer]

Question to those who have studied firearm effectiveness:

My big fear of using firearms for ctb (other than missing) is that rather than losing consciousness immediately, it might take a second. And even a short amount of time in that sort of extreme pain seems worse to me than minutes of something like SN pain. Does this fear seem rational or irrational to you? Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

If you do it right, I don't think you'll feel any pain. If you've got the stomach for it, watch the video of Budd Dwyer's suicide - it seems like he died pretty much instantly.

 

[ThatRussianDude]

Dear SaSu firearm megathread users, I would be super greatful if you could give me an advice. I do not live in America but I have access to an SKS. The problem is that I have absolutely no access to any kind of ammunition. Would you please be so kind to try to help me ctb? I mean I can only guess that it isnt super hard to manufacure a single bullet and maybe cut my SKS short? Would that sound practical?
I am located in a country with hard gun laws and have a pretty limited knowledge about firearms. I really need your advice.

 

[leloyon]

Dear SaSu firearm megathread users, I would be super greatful if you could give me an advice. I do not live in America but I have access to an SKS. The problem is that I have absolutely no access to any kind of ammunition. Would you please be so kind to try to help me ctb? I mean I can only guess that it isnt super hard to manufacure a single bullet and maybe cut my SKS short? Would that sound practical?

I write this hypothetically as a thought experiment for myself and not as advice or encouragement to do anything in the real world, especially because this may very well just blow the gun up and is illegal in many jurisdictions.
If I were in such a position, I'd look into blank cartridges.

The easiest way would be to load the blank cartridge into the gun normally, then muzzleload a 7.62 bullet (stick bullet into barrel from the front, then use a stick or some other long object to ram it deep into the barrel). This would be underpowered compared to a normal 7.62x39mm but should work.

 

[08ALW]

Looking where the brain stem is , can I put it in my ear or behind my ear ? I was thinking of taping my nose and mouth shut so I will suffocate if I somehow survive

 

[deathisapanacea]

Looking where the brain stem is , can I put it in my ear or behind my ear ? I was thinking of taping my nose and mouth shut so I will suffocate if I somehow survive

Don't. Side of head is pretty reliable. You don't have to necessarily hit the brian stem.

 

[0utsider.]

Okay so the only gun at the moment i am able to get my hands on is a pistol. Is this type of gun good to ctb with? If it is, what specific type should i use? How should I aim it? Any tips would be helpful. (i don't know a lot about guns if u couldn't tell..lol)

 

[leloyon]

Okay so the only gun at the moment i am able to get my hands on is a pistol. Is this type of gun good to ctb with? If it is, what specific type should i use? How should I aim it? Any tips would be helpful. (i don't know a lot about guns if u couldn't tell..lol)

Should probably check it to see if there's any markings (writing) on it. It should say what model it is, the caliber etc.

 

[LivingDeadTGirl]

I tried to setup the night night method with the ratchet strap, but it's awkward and once I had it on, it felt like I couldn't do the ten seconds after however long it would take to even get to the ten seconds. So now I think I gotta go gun. It's the imagery that's always played the most in my mind anyway. All those hundreds of flashes of images I get every day, gun, hanging, jumping... gun has always been the most prevalent and the reason I have done everything in my power to stay away from them. My dad got gun happy in the past couple years and I always refuse to even look at his guns, much less go to the range with him because all I see is the flash of me picking up a loaded gun and blowing my brains out in a matter of two seconds, over and over and over again. But now I feel this unstoppable compulsion to get one more than ever. Another form of self harm, getting the thing I've tried so hard to stay away from like it's a bag of cookies that I know I shouldn't get because I'm definitely going to eat them if I have them, when I wouldn't have if I didn't have them.

I've only read the first two pages of this giant thread, so forgive me if this has been asked, does the gun brand matter? Is Taurus good enough? The brand seems to have a reputation for shitty products except for the revolvers (and the TX22 which is too small).

 

[Cinnamorolls]

Thoughts on combining 2 methods to avoid becoming a vegetable?

I'm thinking of going with a .44 black powder revolver through the mouth, but in case it misses and goes through my neck or hits a non-lethal part of the brain, also having a partial hanging setup? Like I'd be sitting on the edge of a stool with the hanging all set up, where the recoil from the gun would push me off so that I will hang if I do not die from the gunshot. Does that sound pretty reliable?

 

[LivingDeadTGirl]

You could also do it in a body of water so you would drown. But if you're that worried about it, use a shotty? The general consensus is the 357 with hollow point is kosher.

 

[leloyon]

does the gun brand matter?

Not really.

Is Taurus good enough?

Yes.

The general consensus is the 357 with hollow point is kosher.

9mm is fine, 38 special for revolvers is also fine (could get a 9mm revolver but if you're going to get a revolver then wtf why would you get it in 9mm). People here worry too much.

but in case it misses and goes through my neck or hits a non-lethal part of the brain

...one, how the fuck would it go through the neck?!?!?
Two, you've gotta have royally fucked it up for it to hit a non-lethal part of the brain. Unless you're not alone and are guaranteed to get fast medical attention, I wouldn't worry about it.
Third, HOW THE FUCK WOULD IT GO THROUGH THE NECK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
tl;dr you're not JFK

Like I'd be sitting on the edge of a stool with the hanging all set up, where the recoil from the gun would push me off so that I will hang if I do not die from the gunshot

I feel like you'd just fall out of the noose and off the stall and onto the ground.

But if you're that worried about it, use a shotty?

Considering they're using black powder revolver, I imagine it's for legal reasons. Black powder guns are legally not considered firearms in America (thus, convicted criminals or people who have been involuntarily committed can get them, whereas they are prohibited from buying firearms), and are license-free in some parts of Europe, so the choice to use one is most likely down to inability to acquire a modern firearm.

 

[wiseful]

Sadly, i live in Spain, so i thought about hanging

 

[Cinnamorolls]

You could also do it in a body of water so you would drown. But if you're that worried about it, use a shotty? The general consensus is the 357 with hollow point is kosher.

Not near any bodies of water that aren't patrolled frequently (not even a bathtub, unfortunately). Black powder guns are the only ones I can legally access, so no shotgun for me.

...one, how the fuck would it go through the neck?!?!?
Two, you've gotta have royally fucked it up for it to hit a non-lethal part of the brain. Unless you're not alone and are guaranteed to get fast medical attention, I wouldn't worry about it.
Third, HOW THE FUCK WOULD IT GO THROUGH THE NECK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
tl;dr you're not JFK

I feel like you'd just fall out of the noose and off the stall and onto the ground.

In the first few pages of this thread, OP listed various warnings. One was that it's possible to miss the brain stem/spinal cord entirely and the bullet just comes out the other side, which is survivable. He mentioned this happened to one of the Boston bombers. Another warning was that hitting any part of the brain besides the stem has a good possibility of leaving someone as a vegetable.

The noose would be tied tightly against the skin. Wouldn't be possible to fall out of it.

 

[leloyon]

He mentioned this happened to one of the Boston bombers.

Neither of the Boston bombers committed suicide; one was shot several times by police and then run over by his partner-in-crime, the other was also shot several times by police. Neither of them shot themselves or were shot at close enough range for it to be comparable with a suicide conducted at point-blank range.

In the first few pages of this thread, OP listed various warnings. One was that it's possible to miss the brain stem/spinal cord entirely and the bullet just comes out the other side, which is survivable. Another warning was that hitting any part of the brain besides the stem has a good possibility of leaving someone as a vegetable.

One is due to stupidity. Aim your gun correctly, you are point-blank range, you won't miss.
The other is just fearmongering (first is as well, really). You're putting a large metal projectile into your brain, causing it to make a huge hole in your brain, the thing that you need to live that is filled with blood, that substance that is kinda notorious for rapidly leaving any small hole in the human body that wasn't naturally there, that you also need to live. Maybe you'll end up as a vegetable, chances are you'll either die or be knocked unconscious immediately and bleed out.
I heard 90% of gunshot suicides are fatal. I highly doubt everyone in that 90% managed to perfectly nail the brainstem.

 

[LivingDeadTGirl]

I can hear your condescending tone^

 

[leloyon]

I can hear your condescending tone^

Sorry, I've just been posting on this thread for a while now, and for some reason this specific method seemingly attracts the most neurotic people, and a lot of the time I have a low tolerance for any of it. Trying to give people advice but having to go through the same fearmongering, having to post the same things I posted a page prior (and the page prior to that, and the page prior to that) because they didn't see it... Especially when I compare it to other methods, people are willing to trust a salt used for curing meats more than the most tried-and-tested way to end a human life.
I'm just weary. I mean, I know I don't have to post here, no one's forcing me to after all, but I still want to help people, even if it is tiring to do so and I end up acting like a bitch.

 

[galaxid]

Sorry, I've just been posting on this thread for a while now, and for some reason this specific method seemingly attracts the most neurotic people, and a lot of the time I have a low tolerance for any of it. Trying to give people advice but having to go through the same fearmongering, having to post the same things I posted a page prior (and the page prior to that, and the page prior to that) because they didn't see it... Especially when I compare it to other methods, people are willing to trust a salt used for curing meats more than the most tried-and-tested way to end a human life.
I'm just weary. I mean, I know I don't have to post here, no one's forcing me to after all, but I still want to help people, even if it is tiring to do so and I end up acting like a bitch.

I mean, it's just that (at least for me) I can't go through 48 pages to find out what I need to know, y'know? How do we search through a single thread?

 

[galaxid]

The gun in the picture is pretty much ideal for a handgun (a shotgun is of course the best), using .357 magnum ammo (not .38). Someone just mentioned Budd Dwyer, the politician who publically shot himself. That gun is very similar to the one he used with perfect effectiveness, as you can see if you watch his video.



Most of what you need to know is on the first page or two.

Yes, its very informative. But both the person above and me have read the first pages, and I'm sure others have had the same problem. I've read pretty far in, like 10 pages or something to that effect, and I haven't found an answer. Which is why asked if there was a way for me to look it up. If so, I'll just do that instead, in part because I'm not in the mood to be condescended to.

 

[leloyon]

Yes, its very informative. But both the person above and me have read the first pages, and I'm sure others have had the same problem. I've read pretty far in, like 10 pages or something to that effect, and I haven't found an answer. Which is why asked if there was a way for me to look it up. If so, I'll just do that instead, in part because I'm not in the mood to be condescended to.

If your question isn't about a) how to aim (established in the first page), b) whether a firearm would be good to use (talked about on pretty much every page of the thread) or c) whether you should recreate Det Ultimate Selvmord just in case, then I will be glad to answer it without being rude about it.
If you haven't found an answer within ten pages of the thread then you are not asking the types of questions I was complaining about. In any case, just searching the forum itself would work, though like I said, I'll be happy to just answer your question if I can.
Also forgot to mention it in my other post, however a part of it is just that I'm more or less stressed 24/7, and have an odd way to speaking and interacting in general, and can come across as rude even when I don't intend to be, apologies if I come across as such in this post.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I mean, it's just that (at least for me) I can't go through 48 pages to find out what I need to know, y'know? How do we search through a single thread?

What is/are the question(s) that, apparently, you are having trouble finding the answer(s) to? Seems like the other poster you're interacting with is giving good advice.

I know these things have been said before, but here are some basics.

1) Gun "brand" doesn't matter. You're only going to get one shot off, anyway.

2) Size does matter. Go for a larger caliber gun (handgun). .357 is good. .44 is good. .45 is good. .40 is good. 9mm probably too. Stay away from .22 and .380.

3) Use hollow point bullets for handguns - cause more damage.

4) A shotgun is best, especially a 12ga. Use buckshot. Stay away from 410ga.

5) Mouth is best. With chin level to ground, aim slightly upwards towards roof and back of mouth, about 15⁰ to 20⁰, or so, to take out brain stem.

 

[killmeeeenowww]

I got a question, is a air rifle reliable? Specifically .177 4,5mm (thats the caliber), its 8-10 joules, i was thinking of dieseling 2 pellets (shooting both at same time) into my temple, (dieseling method = petroleum/vaseline), what do you guys think?

 

[wham311]

Seen the angles and spots from the mouth as the point of entry, what about from behind? Shotgun is being used

What angle? What spot on the head?

 

[wham311]

Woildnt back of head be less effective than mouth because you're shooting into hard material? (Duh)

 

[leloyon]

Woildnt back of head be less effective than mouth because you're shooting into hard material? (Duh)

I'd say it's more difficult to aim and get it right, considering you can't see what you're doing.

 

[wham311]

I'd say it's more difficult to aim and get it right, considering you can't see what you're doing.

If someone had a friend to help

But the base of skull is up to 15mm thick and through the mouth is up to 4

 

[Ready-Now]

I've never used a gun before but it seems like a shotgun is the way to go. Does anyone who understands guns know if sawing the barrel shorter would be a good idea? I'm worried about the reach to the trigger and keeping a good aim.