Method Guns/firearms megathread

[lifeisbutadream]

It's the initial post in this thread that's why I said it was old lol.

Thank you for your recommendation! I made a new thread half and hour ago regarding ammo on this subforum, would you mind taking a look at it? I decided to go for a Mossberg 88, has a pistol grip stock.

Oops i missed it!

Did you get it in 12 guage? If so, looks good! It should tell you on the gun the maximum size of shells it accepts, 3", etc. You want that.

 

[JustHere1]

Oops i missed it!

Did you get it in 12 guage? If so, looks good! It should tell you on the gun the maximum size of shells it accepts, 3", etc. You want that.

Yes it is 12gauge. I'm gonna go for the biggest and best I can get for bullets but there are different options from what I've heard for the 3" size, so I want to ensure I have the best ones for my method. I'll send you a pic of it over DM

 

[BlooBerryBanjo3000]

If I were to shoot myself in the mouth, how long would I need to be alone before anyone finds me, to ensure death?

 

[Temporary Breakway]

Looks like you've done your research. Like @TiredHorse said, aim low. It's better to miss low than high. With a shotgun the damage will be devastating and fatal anywhere from the top of the spine c1 and c2 area of the spine control breathing and heart rate. Aiming too high into the roof of the mouth is where you hear of people shooting their face off.

Where specifically should I shoot instead?

 

[Temporary Breakway]

Hi everyone. I'm thinking a gun could be the best method for me but the problem is I lost my gun rights due to being involuntarily hospitalized for an eating disorder in 2018 where i became very underweight and malnourished. I have since restored my weight and am medically stable now and am taking medication. So I'm wondering how easy it is to get gun rights restored or if there is any other way to go about it that i don't know of. Wondering if anyone here has any ideas.

Armslist.com private sale

 

[Temporary Breakway]

12 gauge is much better. 00 buckshot

00 buckshot ammo is much better for 12 gauge
and the best buckshot is 1600 fps critical defense

Hornady Critical Defense Ammo 12 Gauge 00 Buck Shot 2.75" shell 8 pellets 1600 FPS 10/box

Hornady Critical Defense Ammo 12 Gauge 00 Buck Shot 2.75" shell 8 pellets 1600 FPS 10/box

www.aeammo.com

Thanks.

i want to be sure it penetrates my skull cause horrifically i read that human bone is many times stronger than concrete and as strong as steel . i know inside the mouth it would work but for some reason i'm more scared of putting it in my mouth than behind the ear on the side of the head to destroy the evil brain stem and brain seems easier to defeat si for me .

Human Bones, Joints and Muscles Facts: - Winston Medical Center

Human Bones, Joints and Muscles Facts: Your bones are composed of 31% water. Your bones, pound for pound, are 4 times stronger than concrete. A muscle called the diaphragm controls... Read more »

www.winstonmedical.org

what do you all think of this video. guy shoots himself with a shotgun seems inside mouth. to me it seems the brain or skull matter flies out at least 10 feet away from the head , proving no way it can fail if deep in mouth pointed at brainstem that head is exploded looks like what do you think guranteed ? i think so .

Man I feel you I will try the 1444 video method too

 

[know33]

Hi. Can someone who understands shotguns give an advice.
In my country i can buy for example this one - SUPERNOVA BLACK COMFORTECH. It has 88mm chamber and 12 gauge.
Is it powerful enough if i use buckshot or slug? Does shotguns have "powerfulness" indicator or they are similar?

 

[L'absent]

Hi. Can someone who understands shotguns give an advice.
In my country i can buy for example this one - SUPERNOVA BLACK COMFORTECH. It has 88mm chamber and 12 gauge.
Is it powerful enough if i use buckshot or slug? Does shotguns have "powerfulness" indicator or they are similar?

The Benelli Supernova Black Comfortech, with its 88 mm (3.5") chamber and 12-gauge caliber, is extremely powerful, especially when paired with the right ammunition. To maximize devastating effects on vital areas such as the heart or head, the best options are slug rounds and buckshot. Magnum or super magnum slugs, such as Brenneke, Federal Premium, or Hornady SST, fully utilize the gun's power, generating kinetic energy exceeding 4,000 joules. When aimed at the heart, these rounds destroy cardiac tissue, causing severe damage to surrounding organs due to the shockwave, leading to immediate cessation of vital functions. When aimed at the head, the impact can shatter the skull and create explosive tissue trauma, instantly halting all brain activity. Magnum buckshot, like 00 or 000 buckshot, disperses multiple heavy projectiles in a close-range trajectory, causing devastating multiple wounds. When hitting the heart, the spread causes extensive lacerations and fatal hemorrhage; to the head, the buckshot can obliterate the skull and cause multiple brain injuries, ensuring immediate and lethal effects even at short range.

 

[Temporary Breakway]

Man I feel you I will try the 1444 video method too

And just imagine sweet bliss, no feeling, nothing at all

 

[leloyon]

Hi. Can someone who understands shotguns give an advice.
In my country i can buy for example this one - SUPERNOVA BLACK COMFORTECH. It has 88mm chamber and 12 gauge.
Is it powerful enough if i use buckshot or slug? Does shotguns have "powerfulness" indicator or they are similar?

Yes. Slugs would do more damage, but I would use buckshot, as buckshot is multiple large pellets so more chance of hitting what you're aiming at methinks.

 

[know33]

Yes. Slugs would do more damage, but I would use buckshot, as buckshot is multiple large pellets so more chance of hitting what you're aiming at methinks.

I'm gonna buy two shotguns and shoot one with slug and one with buckshot. Just in case

 

[leloyon]

I'm gonna buy two shotguns and shoot one with slug and one with buckshot. Just in case

There are double barrel shotguns with two hammers/triggers that can fire both barrels at the same time.

 

[krqnet]

this was pretty helpful, thank you

 

[Temporary Breakway]

There are double barrel shotguns with two hammers/triggers that can fire both barrels at the same time.

Imagining someone somehow holding 2 at the same time and firing them at once is a weird picture to imagine

 

[Fritz]

Gimminy Christmas. Well, yeah, .454 Casull would sure get the job done. So would a hand grenade clenched in your teeth...

(For those who are getting lost by Threads and I geeking out, .454 Casull is an insanely powerful revolver round, often used in bear hunting.)

But I can't argue with @Threads: as much as I prefer other calibers, for any number of reasons that are mostly irrelevant here, the bottom line is that you can't go wrong with a .357 revolver.

What about .44 magnum? It's a revolver round and way more powerful than a .357 and still fairly common.

 

[AJC]

I picked myself up a cheap little break barrel 12-gauge. Got some 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. I think that should be enough. I planned to saw off the stock and barrel. I was also gonna put the barrel in my mouth when I got to end things. Does it sound like I'm doing everything right?

 

[Vault117]

I picked myself up a cheap little break barrel 12-gauge. Got some 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. I think that should be enough. I planned to saw off the stock and barrel. I was also gonna put the barrel in my mouth when I got to end things. Does it sound like I'm doing everything right?

It sounds good. Maybe save yourself some time and don't saw off the stock, as it's not really necessary to do.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

There are double barrel shotguns with two hammers/triggers that can fire both barrels at the same time.

I'm not clear on that. I know that Ernest Hemingway used a double barrel shotgun, but I don't know if both barrels went off. I don't know how quickly the body shuts down in the fraction of a second it would take to pull the second trigger. Would you only be able to pull one trigger? Same question for when people want to use two guns.

 

[-nobodyknows-]

What would be the next-best place to aim with a handgun if I didn't want to put it in my mouth?

 

[kitefly8989]

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

I have a 38 revolver. I have hollow points and other types of bullets. What do you think of this? What about shooting at the back of the head?

 

[Fire&Ash]

@TAW122
Hello I got a Walther PDP pistol. It is 9mm. Would this be doable to ctb with? I have found different opinions on whether a 9mm will work. I plan to aim behind ear. I'm not sure it will work in mouth. Thanks

 

[Temporary Breakway]

It should work fine. Probably not as good as a modern firearm, but still enough to do the job. Try watching some videos of people shooting ballistic gelatin with the firearm of your choice and try to find out what kind of projectiles people use for hunting with them. Preferably choose a regular bullet as opposed to a roundball, I'm not sure if they make hollow point rounds for BP rifles but if so go with that and if not go with whatever bullet (conical) is recommended for hunting, preferably for large game.
With shotguns, generally people seem to use birdshot for black powder shotguns. This will probably work but this is absolutely not recommended, so if you see anyone talking about what to load in a shotgun for duck hunting or loading tiny BBs into a shotgun avoid. It's best to use either 00 buckshot (which should be about nine .38 roundballs?) or some sort of slug, though I recommend doing your own research about black powder shotguns and slugs, or some sort of slug equivalent for black powder guns, if one exists.
An issue you may run into is that the gun may be too long, in which case choose a gun that's short enough, or saw it off. I'm no lawyer but in America, black powder guns aren't legally considered firearms so I don't think sawing them off would be illegal like it would for a regular firearm, and around the world people seem to sell blunderbusses with little issue. I would recommend sawing it off as little as possible, however, just enough for you to be able to aim it properly. The length of the gun helps it build velocity, so essentially it won't be hitting you as fast if you saw it off. I recommend doing your own research about legality though and not to attempt it if it is indeed illegal in your area.

Couldn't you technically put 3 .58 cal musket balls into a blunderbuss

 

[thankyouforthissite]

Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'



TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'




Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'



It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:

The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.

I cannot see the diagram. Can someone please show it to me?

 

[thankyouforthissite]

I'm sure I'll chime in more as the thread progresses, and generally make my usual verbose nuisance of myself, but I'll start with this:

Hollywood representations of gun suicides are a very, very bad template to follow. Shooting yourself in the temple, or holding the gun under your chin, is a BAD idea, for either pistol or long-gun attempts. The odds are good you won't hit the all-important brainstem, but will instead blow out your frontal lobe and end up a vegetable. Some people have even blown off the entire front of their face and lived --and been able to survive without a life support machine. If you think your life is bad now...

These Hollywood aimpoints are probably the majority of why gun suicide statistics show only an 82.5% success rate rather than 100%.

I'll collect a few more thoughts and be back later.

Where should you aim?

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

When using a handgun, why are many people in this thread recommending .357 over 9mm or .44 (assuming all are hollow points)? I understand guns that are chambered in .357 usually have a higher muzzle velocity, but in the end, wouldn't the size of the hole you make matter more than the bullet speed? ...and additionally if I decide to use a rifle instead is there really any difference between that and a handgun aside from the muzzle velocity? I know a shotgun is the prefered way to go but I don't want to traumatize my family further. Thank you for all of your help!

 

[leloyon]

When using a handgun, why are many people in this thread recommending .357 over 9mm or .44 (assuming all are hollow points)?

As far as I'm concerned? Most people here are fearmongers to the point of ridiculousness. .357 is more powerful, however people treat it as if you need to utterly destroy yourself or you won't die. .22LR I wouldn't recommend for any purposes outside target shooting and small game hunting, however it can work if one knows how to use it right, and yet people here will be fretting over a 9mm. 9mm is fine, tongzhi. Anything under .380 ACP I wouldn't trust myself nor recommend for others if there are alternatives or if there are no circumstances preventing them from using something bigger (for example, there was someone previously on the thread with - can't be bothered to look for it but I'm pretty sure it was, and you can go back and check if you feel so inclined - brittle bone disease, or something along those lines, where I did recommend small-caliber handguns as I figured they may be harmed by the recoil if they used something bigger) but they would function as a handgun in the roles one needs them for if utilised correctly (for example, most people who carry .22LR for self-defense point out that it has a lack of recoil, so one should make use of that by firing many shots rapidly as the assailant, preferably in the head).

 

[blacksand]

As far as I'm concerned? Most people here are fearmongers to the point of ridiculousness. .357 is more powerful, however people treat it as if you need to utterly destroy yourself or you won't die. .22LR I wouldn't recommend for any purposes outside target shooting and small game hunting, however it can work if one knows how to use it right, and yet people here will be fretting over a 9mm. 9mm is fine, tongzhi. Anything under .380 ACP I wouldn't trust myself nor recommend for others if there are alternatives or if there are no circumstances preventing them from using something bigger (for example, there was someone previously on the thread with - can't be bothered to look for it but I'm pretty sure it was, and you can go back and check if you feel so inclined - brittle bone disease, or something along those lines, where I did recommend small-caliber handguns as I figured they may be harmed by the recoil if they used something bigger) but they would function as a handgun in the roles one needs them for if utilised correctly (for example, most people who carry .22LR for self-defense point out that it has a lack of recoil, so one should make use of that by firing many shots rapidly as the assailant, preferably in the head).

Most people on here have never fired a gun, let alone hunted with one. So therefore drastically underestimate the power of guns. I'd consider a person shot close rage with a single .22 chest shot to be fubar unless literally shot inside a hospital ER and even then it will be a knife edge of whether they survive. Every animal I've shot in center of mass with a 9mm or larger pistol round (either from a handgun or a pistol caliber level gun) has been dead before it hit the ground. A headshot would surely be instantly lethal.

With the large centerfire rifle cartridges like a .308 or a shotgun then you are practically letting off a grenade inside your head.