guess what chat gpt just told me

[xXSufferingXx]

we often talk on her about how society accepts the vet heping your pets get peace and end their suffering when they can't be helped anymore.
but they don't have the same view when it comes to humans.

i just found out that only 8 or 10% of dogs pass away naturally.
meaning that 85% to 90% of all dogs get medically put down.

that's an insanely high number.
and we are just like dogs, we also get incurable disabilities.
but we have to suffer and "TougHEn Up SolDieR".

here's a copy paste:
Large-scale veterinary data tracking how dogs pass away shows that roughly 85% to 90% of senior dogs follow the path of gradual decline, which usually leads the family to make the difficult choice of humane euthanasia to prevent suffering. Only about 8% to 10% of dogs pass away naturally and suddenly on their own.

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

Yep our society is just built by pro lifer standards and beliefs that makes CTB to be seen as a harmful thing. So many family members get upset when one of their loved ones CTB, but do they ever give much attention to said individual before he/she took such a drastic measure. Why said individual decides to CTB without telling anyone, if only CTB isn't seen as an immoral taboo and illegal maybe more impulsive CTB could've been prevented.
Also family refusing to help with VAD even though the individual requesting might have chronic illness, but they just have to keep going and eventually suffer from their chronic illness or disabilty(yay society is so "kind"). Making it harder to CTB doesn't change anything, it only make things worse for some people and for others just prolonging their suffering. But ofc it's okay for government to do that just to look moral, while doing thousands of other immoral stuff including preventing people from having rights over their own well being.

 

[marilosingit]

here's a copy paste:
Large-scale veterinary data tracking how dogs pass away shows that roughly 85% to 90% of senior dogs follow the path of gradual decline, which usually leads the family to make the difficult choice of humane euthanasia to prevent suffering. Only about 8% to 10% of dogs pass away naturally and suddenly on their own.

i wouldn't believe anything chatgpt says when it comes to stats or facts. where's the source?? i've seen way too many people on this site using chatgpt like google and it's just not comparable.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

i wouldn't believe anything chatgpt says when it comes to stats or facts. where's the source?? i've seen way too many people on this site using chatgpt like google and it's just not comparable.

i know what to trust from them and what not to.
and this i believe, it lists the sources if you click a button.
but you can google it also

 

[marilosingit]

i know what to trust from them and what not to.
and this i believe, it lists the sources if you click a button.
but you can google it also

ridiculous waste of water

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I'm not sure how accurate that figure is, because in some cultures they just don't seem to believe in euthanasia period, particularly if influenced by Buddhism. Idk if you remember the really old popular doge memes, but that shiba inu lived to an extremely old age. The owner was carrying the dog to her work everyday, fully blind, emaciated, and completely disabled, for a very long time, simply because the practice of euthanasia for animals isn't as common in Japan. 我慢強い is deeply entrenched in Buddhist philosophy.

I agree with you though, the entire logic is hypocritical. So many times online I have seen discussions where a pet owner is called selfish and irresponsible, if they haven't euthanized an infirm or sick animal within hours or days of receiving a disabling diagnosis. While I'm well aware the lives of humans are not quite the same as pets, it is hypocritical that we think it is unacceptable for animals to suffer from debilitating diseases, but expect humans to endure nearly unlimited suffering until the body gives out on its own.

Seriously, I have had chronic illnesses since I was 17 years old, so about 10 years at this point. The amount of times people have expressed pity towards me, or told me how they wouldn't be able to survive if they were me, etc etc, is astounding. However, if I even hint or allude to the fact that I am unhappy with this existence and want to die, people immediately jump to telling me that my life has value and I can't define myself by my illnesses and all this nonsense. If I was a dog, they would've put me down long ago.

 

[Forveleth]

I tried Googling this and could not find any information on this statistic. Would love to see the sources ChatGPT cited.

 

[RedFruit]

Can we not use an AI made by a man who raped his child sister? Would love to see the laugh reacts on this one.

 

[Surek]

I tried Googling this and could not find any information on this statistic. Would love to see the sources ChatGPT cited.

I assume the information was taken from these sources. And yes, I used AI to find the sources :p

Analysis of 2,570 responses to Dog Aging Project End of Life Survey demonstrates that euthanasia is associated with cause of death but not age - PMC

The Dog Aging Project End of Life Survey was used to evaluate factors associated with manner of death (euthanasia vs unassisted death), including cause of death (CoD), reason for euthanasia (RFE) if performed, medical symptoms, old age ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Proportion and risk factors for death by euthanasia in dogs in the UK - PMC

The loss of a pet can be particularly distressing for owners, whether the method of death is euthanasia or is unassisted. Using primary-care clinical data, this study aimed to report the demographic and clinical factors associated with euthanasia, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Spit On My Grave]

ridiculous waste of water

ChatGPT consumes around 1L of FRESH water for every 3 complex responses.
while people in developing countries are suffering from eiarrheal diseases caused by water shortages. Since when we are prioritizing a calculator over human rights!
Children and young women die every year in countries we don't even know their names just because we choose the convenience and modern lifestyle without looking back.
On top of that, a lot of fossil fuels are burning NOW to made this kind of power required to run this machine. More sadly, we know about this and we have all the evidence but we seem careless.

 

[Forveleth]

I assume the information was taken from these sources. And yes, I used AI to find the sources :p

Analysis of 2,570 responses to Dog Aging Project End of Life Survey demonstrates that euthanasia is associated with cause of death but not age - PMC

The Dog Aging Project End of Life Survey was used to evaluate factors associated with manner of death (euthanasia vs unassisted death), including cause of death (CoD), reason for euthanasia (RFE) if performed, medical symptoms, old age ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Proportion and risk factors for death by euthanasia in dogs in the UK - PMC

The loss of a pet can be particularly distressing for owners, whether the method of death is euthanasia or is unassisted. Using primary-care clinical data, this study aimed to report the demographic and clinical factors associated with euthanasia, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

While I am not refuting these, some caveats to think about:
While the studies aimed to collect a well-rounded demographic of dogs, there seems to be nothing about a well-rounded demographic of owners, which can heavily skew the results. Secondly, the first study was performed in a very small sampling of dogs compared to the estimated dog population of the US, which also makes me hesitate thinking that it is representative.

Still, I am sure the truth is reflected in these studies and it is an interesting statistic to know. I never thought about it before but trying to remember pets I have heard about in my own life I think most dog owners I knew also put down their dogs due to poor quality of life associated with old age.

I watched so many people in my family waste away in old age and I have therefore never understood why humans do not have the option to avoid such an existence.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

just google this sentence:
how many percentage of dogs in the western world get medically put down

and you will see the high numbers

 

[darksouls]

the statistics are nonsense,
because most animals are not recorded statistically

 

[xXSufferingXx]

the statistics are nonsense,
because most animals are not recorded statistically

huh?
remember there's different countries than just your own country,
and things may be done differently in other parts of the world

 

[SASU-KE]

I see. Dogs are lucky in that regard.


By the way, ChatGPT uses water . I found out only from this thread.

So they are already competing with us for one of the most precious resources on the planet. Fantastic.Makes our time on this planet pretty limited.

 

[darksouls]

huh?
remember there's different countries than just your own country,
and things may be done differently in other parts of the world

were you referring to a specific country ?

 

[xXSufferingXx]

were you referring to a specific country ?

no, im just saying google may give us different answers depending on what country we search from.
looks legit to me and the numbers add up.
like i said before,
just google this sentence:
how many percentage of dogs in the western world get medically put down

and i'd be surprised if you didn't see the same numbers as i see

I see. Dogs are lucky in that regard.


By the way, ChatGPT uses water . I found out only from this thread.

So they are already competing with us for one of the most precious resources on the planet. Fantastic.Makes our time on this planet pretty limited.

not sure what you mean exactly.
i don't care if chat gpt uses water.
i have enough inconveniences in life to dump chat gpt just because it uses water.
if we wanna be perfect with the whole climate thing, we should just sit and stare into a wall all day, without phones also

 

[darksouls]

no, im just saying google may give us different answers depending on what country we search from.
looks legit to me and the numbers add up.
like i said before,
just google this sentence:
how many percentage of dogs in the western world get medically put down

and i'd be surprised if you didn't see the same numbers as i see

as I have already said,
the statistics are nonsense,
because most animals are not recorded statistically

 

[xXSufferingXx]

as I have already said,
the statistics are nonsense,
because most animals are not recorded statistically

ok whatever pal... that wasn't even the main point of the whole thing. nice day to you

 

[darksouls]

ok whatever pal... that wasn't even the main point of the whole thing. nice day to you

nice day to you, pal

 

[itsgone2]

The statistic must be high. I've had pets put down. Most have I'd think.
It's odd. We love them. Don't want them to suffer. It's done with compassion.
Not with humans. Very rare cases in a few countries.
Horrible. We know it's the right thing to do

 

[xXSufferingXx]

The statistic must be high. I've had pets put down. Most have I'd think.
It's odd. We love them. Don't want them to suffer. It's done with compassion.
Not with humans. Very rare cases in a few countries.
Horrible. We know it's the right thing to do

exactly!