They keep mentioning 'getting help' in the interview, but what exactly does that mean?
The reason so many people join SS is precisely because 'help' has failed them.
If 'help' means speaking to someone on the phone once a month and a few meds to mask the symptoms but not treat the cause, then it's just an empty word.
It's very easy to pontificate on an issue if you have no idea what other people are actually having to live through.
About help. I think I've never bothered to check what dictionaries have to say about the word "help", until now. It's hard to explain for me, I'm just exploring here.
The term "help" is sufficiently vague here. It (in this context) conflates:
1) the treatment suicidal people are getting from mental health services (MHS);
2) what suicidal people want to recieve as a treatment from MHS;
3) treatment from MHS which which makes suicidal people better off in the long-term than if they wouldn't recieve treatment from MHS.
(I don't like the word 'help' here because it has a positive connotation, and I don't believe that what MHS does to suicidal people always helps, or helps more often than not, so instead I'm using the word 'treatment' (to deal with something in a certain way) which imo has a more neutral connotation, and is okay to use when describing beneficial or harmful treatment.)
Here I'd prefer to recieve help in the third sense, but what I will get is help in the first sense, and these may or may not be the same things. What is desirable is conflated to what is true. I don't know the name of this trap. Clearly it has something to do with ambiguity.
This is the best description I could find so far, from
https://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html:
Boobytrap
A linguistic snare which is not itself fallacious, but may cause someone to inadvertently commit a fallacy. For instance, an ambiguous or vague sentence is not in and of itself fallacious, since it is not an argument, but it may cause somebody to infer a false conclusion.
First meaning is true here. Third meaning is not necessarily true, but it may be "inadvertently inferred".
That's only one dimension to think about. I could also ask: What are the goals and methods of treatment? What role does the consent of suicidal people play in recieving treatment from MHS? As the questions as sub questions get answered, the treatment becomes more defined, and it becomes harder to misinterpret, and to exploit its ambiguity to manipulate the perceptions of other people, which I think is what happens in the video.
That's why I think it can be a good idea to ask clarifying questions in response to vague statements.
Ok, that's all for now.