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Grieving families suing Amazon for selling 'suicide kits' to teens

At least a dozen families are suing Amazon over the sale of Sodium Nitrite, a household solvent which is deadly at high potency and has become a more popular means of suicide.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What do you think? Should Amazon be held liable?

 

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Grieving families suing Amazon for selling 'suicide kits' to teens

At least a dozen families are suing Amazon over the sale of Sodium Nitrite, a household solvent which is deadly at high potency and has become a more popular means of suicide.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What do you think? Should Amazon be held liable?

No

 

[FutureHanger]

No one should ever be held liable for providing someone with info or resources necessary for CTB, they didn't make that decision or cause the assisted's suicidality so why should they be blamed?

 

[searchingforpeace]

Parents should be blamed for having the audacity to bring a child into the world this is just another way they try to control something because they're control freaks

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Those companies totally should be held liable for selling nitrAte instead of nitrIte. You can't even kill yourself properly with sodium nitrate.

Let me be clear, that was a joke. It sucks but it's no surprise that minors are being used once again as the face of SN deaths in order to take it away from perfectly legal adults.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Those companies totally should be held liable for selling nitrAte instead of nitrIte. You can't even kill yourself properly with sodium nitrate.

Amazon are being sued for selling sodium nitrite not nitrate.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Amazon are being sued for selling sodium nitrite not nitrate.

I know, I'm just basing off the title AND the URL.

 

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I know, I'm just basing off the title AND the URL.

The URL contains an error. Lazy journalists have put sodium nitrate. If you click on the article though it's clear they are talking about nitrite.

 

[Abyssal]

Not gonna bother looking at the link, just going to give my thoughts. Kits specially made for suicide on Amazon is definitely questionable. I'd reckon this is an older case because no way that'd go well today. If it specifies labeled suicide kit and can be found when searching "suicide" then yeah, pretty bad. One thing about SN is that you can be sure that anyone going for that method is sure of what they are doing, I mean an takes research and some searching to learn about. However, if it's labeled as suicide kit then people will buy it impulsively and could really tuck it up or take their life when there were better outcomes. Don't come at me with your opinions on that, but if minors used these kits to ctb then clearly they were easy to access. Amazon can't and shouldn't be held accountable, but the sellers should.

 

[mortuarymary]

Don't get me wrong I feel for the families, but those people chose to by it. It wasn't forced down their necks.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I probably have an unpopular opinion in that I think assisted suicide does need to be regulated and in my opinion, it should be for adults 18+ of sound mind.

The problem I have with this case is- if this article is true (which I have doubts about.) Then- an actual 'kit' including antiemetics and instructions goes a very long way in assisting a suicide I would say! Assides from being illegal to assist in a suicide, to just sell it to anyone regardless of age does seem irresponsible to me.

That doesn't sound right to me though. I've seen police reports where people bought 'kits' off the dark net but- Amazon... seriously? Doesn't seem plausible to me. How did they advertise it? I can't believe they wouldn't have noticed a 'suicide kit' being sold! I reckon they've got this wrong. Sodium Nitrite on its own- yes but- a 'suicide kit' with instructions? That sounds outright illegal. I doubt they'd be that stupid.

It's a very difficult issue. Especially when minors are involved. In terms of a product. It's tricky again really. You can't prosecute a hardware store for selling rope. That would be ridiculous. But- SN in that higher purity likely isn't in as much demand/regular use as rope. So- if they were receiving warnings it was being used for suicide by children- again- it's a dodgy area.

Toys are recalled when they injure children. Retailers aren't allowed to sell guns, knives and fireworks to children because of the risk factor. In my opinion- they should at least have made it an age restricted product. Why would a 15 year old be buying SN?

The whole thing is so difficult when assisted suicide isn't legalised and regulated. You can't expect a retailer to assess whether a customer is in a sound state of mind to make the decision to take their own life. Because of that- it's understandable that most simply won't sell to individuals now.

Obviously, I have mixed and hypocritical feelings because, I was very grateful to be able to buy it from IC before they were busted. At least at that time, they were checking people's ages though. They still can't really check for competency of course and herein is where the problem lies I think. It depends on whether you think it's possible for someone to suicide when they are in a psychotic state. I'd argue that SN doesn't lend itself so well to impulsive attempts but even so, it's not entirely impossible.

It also depends on whether you think a 12 year old, 15 year old etc. is capable of making such a big decision. My honest answer is- I don't know. I've had ideation since I was 10. The reasons I wanted to CTB have changed but the feeling hasn't so much. Still- I suppose I accept that for a lot of other life changing decisions, we are protected from being able to make those choices for ourselves until we are 18. So on that premise, I think being able to access assisted suicide should be the same. (Unless there are extenuating circumstances- in which case- I imagine the official VAD route would be available.)

A suicide kit is assisting in a suicide I would argue. It was put together for that purpose. SN on its own is more tricky because it is just a product at the end of the day. They were foolish not to act sooner on warnings though- if they indeed got them. I imagine these court cases will hit them with a much higher bill than they would have lost out on in revenue if they'd restricted the product earlier. Almost always- it's minors everyone gives a shit about. If they'd even restricted it to 18+, they'd likely have less of a problem now.

So- yes- sorry but if they were knowingly selling it to children knowing what it would likely be used for- they should get into trouble. You can personally be fined £2,000 as a shop assistant for selling alcohol to a minor. I dread to think what they may end up fining them if they find them guilty! If it's anything like the Kenneth Law case, they'll push for murder I imagine...

Again- the issue is minors probably. Sex with a minor is rape. They aren't considered old enough to be able to consent. I imagine providing a lethal substance and instructions on how to use it to a minor- by the same reasoning, won't be seen as assisting in a suicide. If they aren't old enough to consent to sex or drinking alcohol, they certainly aren't mature enough to make the decision to end their life in the eyes of the law- so- I imagine they'll say it's murder and- first degree murder at that. They know SN kills and they (supposedly) provided the entire kit to give it the best chance of doing so. If that's true, they were utter idiots!

 

[mortuarymary]

18 plus thing I totally agree with

 

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Not in the right mind rn to read the article but it feels weird that people would even sue amazon for this, feels very much like a desperate scheme to get money, rather than grieving families. These people *presumably* made the decision to end their own lives, holding amazon liable feels like either mid-directed anger or, like I said, a scheme to get money. If they are kids, sure, they should not be able to purchase this stuff, but adults capable of making rational, thought of decisions? They should 100% be able to decide whether or not they want to live. It's a fine line for sure, but one that should be respected.