Faking an accidental SN Overdose??

[TydalWave]

Has anyone ever considered faking an accidental SN overdose...?

Here is how I was contemplating playing it out... I have a passion for cooking, my family and friends know this. I am always doing fancy stuff in the kitchen.

SN has multiple use cases in cooking from curing meats (the obvious one) to even a few use cases in molecular gastronomy.

i.e. One use case of SN uses curing salts added to a dry rub for meats to simulate a smoke ring when cooking in sous-vide. Such examples use an incredible small amount of curing salts which usually have around 6% SN. A miscalculation of the recipe could lead to SN poisoning easily.

I also have a prescription I take for propranolol already. So having that in my system is not a red flag at all, but something that would be expected from my current medications.

Such is the example of the scene I would depict. The pulled pork on the counter, the recipe with the curing salts. Pictures and snapchats depicting my endevour. All happening during a night to myself, with nobody to check up on me as I lose consciousness and transition to a better world.

A pulled pork experiment gone haywire. Stupid, absolutely. But could such a scenario be believable?

Tell me how I could make this better, or if this has any chances to succeed at all.

 

[anonymous122]

Im not sure about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but in Stan's guide it is recommend to fast and to take SN only with water because the stomach juices can interfere with SN absorption. If you have pulled pork mixed with the SN it may slow down absorption of the SN and can lead to failure. Of course you can just drink an SN solution instead of eating the pulled pork, and i doubt they will check your stomach contents afterwards.

Wishing you the best

 

[hurtbox]

Isn't the SN used in cooking non lethal? Whenever Ive seen them during my search they have a purity around 6%.

 

[makethepainstop]

Has anyone ever considered faking an accidental SN overdose...?

Here is how I was contemplating playing it out... I have a passion for cooking, my family and friends know this. I am always doing fancy stuff in the kitchen.

SN has multiple use cases in cooking from curing meats (the obvious one) to even a few use cases in molecular gastronomy.

i.e. One use case of SN uses curing salts added to a dry rub for meats to simulate a smoke ring when cooking in sous-vide. Such examples use an incredible small amount of curing salts which usually have around 6% SN. A miscalculation of the recipe could lead to SN poisoning easily.

I also have a prescription I take for propranolol already. So having that in my system is not a red flag at all, but something that would be expected from my current medications.

Such is the example of the scene I would depict. The pulled pork on the counter, the recipe with the curing salts. Pictures and snapchats depicting my endevour. All happening during a night to myself, with nobody to check up on me as I lose consciousness and transition to a better world.

A pulled pork experiment gone haywire. Stupid, absolutely. But could such a scenario be believable?

Tell me how I could make this better, or if this has any chances to succeed at all.

As I have heart problems, I am hopeful they will say, "His heart failed", or some other BS.

 

[Worndown]

To make it look real you would need to be curing a lot if meat. They would also have to believe whatever scenario you set up as a cover story.
If you are serious about using SN, best to just do it. It would be a lot less trouble.

 

[emgrl]

I understand what you're saying, you'd use the pork as a decoy. You'd just make it and throw some out as if ingested. That's actually quite clever.

 

[Hercules]

I don't think that this is likely to work. It would be hard to believe that someone would accidently eat 25g of SN. That's slot of SN. Usually you would only add about a teaspoon for äbout 25 pounds of meat. If everyone knows you are an experienced cook, they aren't likely to believe that you made a mistake like this.
You would have to eat some of the pork for this to be believable. They would do an autopsy and would check your stomach contents.

 

[TydalWave]

I don't think that this is likely to work. It would be hard to believe that someone would accidently eat 25g of SN. That's slot of SN. Usually you would only add about a teaspoon for äbout 25 pounds of meat. If everyone knows you are an experienced cook, they aren't likely to believe that you made a mistake like this.
You would have to eat some of the pork for this to be believable. They would do an autopsy and would check your stomach contents.

An experienced home cook who has never worked with this stuff before. 25g is also not a ton of powder. Since most use cases in cooking call for sodium nitrite in its 6.25% form as in curing salts, it would be easy to pose this as a miscalculation from a novice who purchased SN in its pure form. After all, the SN I purchased is food grade and designed for this purpose.

Also, by using it with the recipe / method I mentioned above, the majority of the curing salt would end up in the juices after sous vide which would be reduced into the BBQ sauce. Thus it would be more believable to consume the quantity needed to be lethal.

I would set it up as such atleast. And yes i would need to eat some of the food to have it in my stomach, but in reality I would also take the SN in the water solution per the guide. Toxicology reports would just show that there is high levels of SN in the food and my body. Proving that the lethal amounts of SN in the food weren't the direct cause of my death seems infeasible.

Isn't the SN used in cooking non lethal? Whenever Ive seen them during my search they have a purity around 6%.

The source where I purchased from sells 99.9% specifically for the food industry. But you are right, most curing salts sold commercially use a much lower percentage as it is safer for consumption.

I think this makes the back story more believable, especially if you are using recipes that call for curing salts that are 6%

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Have you investigated to see if heat has any effect on the potency of SN?

Also, I think the coroner would do toxicology testing on you, AS WELL AS the food, if an accidental death is suspected. I'm sure that your tox results would clearly show that there is no way in hell that you could have a lethal level in your system only from eating the food that will also be tested, based on the amount of food in your stomach. These people are not stupid.

 

[Someone123]

You are supposed to fast to have an empty stomch to reduce risk of vomiting for this method, plus the amount of Sn is sohuge compared to the tuny quantity for curing meat that it would not be believable- you stomach would have no meat in it. To have food there would increase the risk of failure. ONly 1 in 23 ctb attempts in the u.s. works, it is best to not do anything that would reduce the chances of it working.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think people have died by accident doing this- I've read of a case where too much was used to cure sausages and another where it was used instead of table salt in a soup.

Still, I'm not sure how reliable it would be to consume it alongside food (presumably in less quantity than recommended and without the usual preparations- fasting and antiemetic).

As other posters have mentioned, I imagine it would be considered a suspicious death- triggering an investigation and autopsy. So, to make it look like an authentic death by misadventure, I suspect you might need to take the risk of it not working- by not following the usual procedure. Still, I really admire your thoughtfulness of not wanting to hurt your loved ones as much.

Sure you've considered this but- if you go ahead with it- I would think clearing your browser history/wiping the hardrive even is probably advisable. I'm sure authorities are very aware of sn now and I imagine they might look at internet history. Still, I guess a wiped hardrive also looks kind of suspicious. I really admire people who try to make it look like an accident for the sake of their families. I just don't know how much effort authorities put into investigating unusual deaths.

 

[Someone123]

In the u.s. only 1 in 23 asttempts works- it's already tough to do- if you comlpicate things further by trying to make it look like an aciident it is that much more diffcult. If then have seen any signs of depression then no matter how you stage it they will likely think it is ctb. Maybe a note with ideas to ease the pain after ctb would work better. Unless this is a sign that you are uncertain about wanting to leave, if this is it I would encourage you to explore recovery.

 

[TydalWave]

I think people have died by accident doing this- I've read of a case where too much was used to cure sausages and another where it was used instead of table salt in a soup.

Still, I'm not sure how reliable it would be to consume it alongside food (presumably in less quantity than recommended and without the usual preparations- fasting and antiemetic).

As other posters have mentioned, I imagine it would be considered a suspicious death- triggering an investigation and autopsy. So, to make it look like an authentic death by misadventure, I suspect you might need to take the risk of it not working- by not following the usual procedure. Still, I really admire your thoughtfulness of not wanting to hurt your loved ones as much.

Sure you've considered this but- if you go ahead with it- I would think clearing your browser history/wiping the hardrive even is probably advisable. I'm sure authorities are very aware of sn now and I imagine they might look at internet history. Still, I guess a wiped hardrive also looks kind of suspicious. I really admire people who try to make it look like an accident for the sake of their families. I just don't know how much effort authorities put into investigating unusual deaths.

Thank you. Your kind words mean a lot. I know no matter what there will be some cause for suspicion, but if I can leave even a glimmer of hope that this was an accident I know it would be something my family and friends could hold onto that might be easier and less painful to swallow. If others have to live in my shadow I would rather them not have to resent their actions, or blame themselves.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Thank you. Your kind words mean a lot. I know no matter what there will be some cause for suspicion, but if I can leave even a glimmer of hope that this was an accident I know it would be something my family and friends could hold onto that might be easier and less painful to swallow. If others have to live in my shadow I would rather them not have to resent their actions, or blame themselves.

That's so caring. I always hoped I could try and allay any guilt in a note left behind but I guess it's just words at the end of the day. Even more troubling- it doesn't always sound like they are given to families- if the police keep them. Starting to think delayed emails are the way to go. Honestly, I only have one person left who I think it would massively impact- my Dad and I am trying to hang on for him. I really feel for people who are worried about leaving loved ones behind.

 

[TydalWave]

That's so caring. I always hoped I could try and allay any guilt in a note left behind but I guess it's just words at the end of the day. Even more troubling- it doesn't always sound like they are given to families- if the police keep them. Starting to think delayed emails are the way to go. Honestly, I only have one person left who I think it would massively impact- my Dad and I am trying to hang on for him. I really feel for people who are worried about leaving loved ones behind.

I've considered the delayed emails as well... Tbh I am still torn between going that route, vs. this route. Or perhaps both; as I have really wanted to leave a note to atleast my closest family and friends.

I just can't decide if doing so is what is best for them or out of my own selfishness. On one hand, I would like to think that level of intimacy would show how much they cared about; but, on the other hand, it puts an incredibly amount of emotional burden on them and could make them feel worse knowing the truth.

I have always tried to be an honest person in this life but this decision has made me question whether honesty is the best choice.

 

[letsmakeitagoodworl]

I have zero knowledge on SN but I think it would be seriously suspect to investigators that it was deliberate if you succeeded, it sounds like something that would be extremely rare to accidentally end in death thus I suspect it would be investigated & even if they couldn't figure it out thed be a lot of unanswered questions if that's your worry around people you care about

 

[onetapgandhi]

There's easier way to fake death than an accidental SN overdose man. Just fake with fentanyl or carfentanil.

 

[TydalWave]

There's easier way to fake death than an accidental SN overdose man. Just fake with fentanyl or carfentanil.

Well SN is significantly easier to source, so there's that.

 

[Hollowillow]

Has anyone ever considered faking an accidental SN overdose...?

Here is how I was contemplating playing it out... I have a passion for cooking, my family and friends know this. I am always doing fancy stuff in the kitchen.

SN has multiple use cases in cooking from curing meats (the obvious one) to even a few use cases in molecular gastronomy.

i.e. One use case of SN uses curing salts added to a dry rub for meats to simulate a smoke ring when cooking in sous-vide. Such examples use an incredible small amount of curing salts which usually have around 6% SN. A miscalculation of the recipe could lead to SN poisoning easily.

I also have a prescription I take for propranolol already. So having that in my system is not a red flag at all, but something that would be expected from my current medications.

Such is the example of the scene I would depict. The pulled pork on the counter, the recipe with the curing salts. Pictures and snapchats depicting my endevour. All happening during a night to myself, with nobody to check up on me as I lose consciousness and transition to a better world.

A pulled pork experiment gone haywire. Stupid, absolutely. But could such a scenario be believable?

Tell me how I could make this better, or if this has any chances to succeed at all.

Make real sn food a few times, inviting family for supper, bragging that the secret ingredient is sn and love. Maybe you'll trully screw up and everyone will go to heaven saying "well you were right, those sausages truly were to die for"

I don't believe in heaven though. And I don't think you'd mess up and kill your family.

I don't know if it happened by accident before?

Now that I think about it, I was wrong. If they see you experiment with sn and actually succeed, it will be harder to believe you screwed up.

But making a video tutorial on your 1rst try... Suspucious too.

Maybe just leave some porc and veggies out with the sn on your first "cooking" attempt?

Best wishes. I hope you'll share if it doesn't work out?

Best wishes to nope out.

Im not sure about this so correct me if I'm wrong, but in Stan's guide it is recommend to fast and to take SN only with water because the stomach juices can interfere with SN absorption. If you have pulled pork mixed with the SN it may slow down absorption of the SN and can lead to failure. Of course you can just drink an SN solution instead of eating the pulled pork, and i doubt they will check your stomach contents afterwards.

Wishing you the best

Thank you. I think you're right. The porc was an alibi to make it look accidental.

Isn't the SN used in cooking non lethal? Whenever Ive seen them during my search they have a purity around 6%.

Yes but cooks can like to buy it pure & make their own mix with salt. It's indeed a worry to buy pre mixed by accident.

As I have heart problems, I am hopeful they will say, "His heart failed", or some other BS.

It's covid! They said that for motorcycle accidents. I'm not even sure if they died WITH covid at all.

An experienced home cook who has never worked with this stuff before. 25g is also not a ton of powder. Since most use cases in cooking call for sodium nitrite in its 6.25% form as in curing salts, it would be easy to pose this as a miscalculation from a novice who purchased SN in its pure form. After all, the SN I purchased is food grade and designed for this purpose.

Also, by using it with the recipe / method I mentioned above, the majority of the curing salt would end up in the juices after sous vide which would be reduced into the BBQ sauce. Thus it would be more believable to consume the quantity needed to be lethal.

I would set it up as such atleast. And yes i would need to eat some of the food to have it in my stomach, but in reality I would also take the SN in the water solution per the guide. Toxicology reports would just show that there is high levels of SN in the food and my body. Proving that the lethal amounts of SN in the food weren't the direct cause of my death seems infeasible.

The source where I purchased from sells 99.9% specifically for the food industry. But you are right, most curing salts sold commercially use a much lower percentage as it is safer for consumption.

I think this makes the back story more believable, especially if you are using recipes that call for curing salts that are 6%

If we can die from eating a curingbrecipe of 99% instead of 6% you just found a way to murder.

Why would you need to pretend it's accidental otherwise? Life insurance doesn't cover suicide?

I'm pro murder so it doesn't worry me as much as it should. If she cheated on you while still being with you... I understand.

These people are not stupid.

You wanted to punch my bullied, so you're my friend, even though I can't pm you to make it official.

But... Hahaha! I think you never needed doctor's help for chronic diseases & pain... Because they really are dumb.

Just look at covid. Grandma can cure it with real bone broth. But they can't with 4 vax, 2 masks and locking up everyone.

They think injecting the virus will make you healthier

They thought they could stimulate the lungs if drowned victims... With cigarette smoke... Up the butt! (Look it up)