failed SN - not sure why?

[idkanymore21]

You told me the picture of your SN was on your laptop. Just curious as to why it wouldn't be uploaded straight your phone and it was on your laptop? Did you take it from your laptop or something?

Took the photo on my phone and airdropped it to my laptop

I am curious if OP got it directly from the source or if they purchased it from a user.

Directly from the source

How much do you weigh OP?

Your weight determines how much you need to take.

However, 20gm (are you sure you used grams and not milligrams) should do it for most people.

So assuming you're average weight and you used grams and not milligrams, then it would suggest your SN is not SN.

I weigh 54kg and yes used grams

IIRC, the founder of IC might have a personal investment in making CTB available to consenting adults, so if they receive a message in code (e.g., "I am aware that one of your clients used your SN but it did not achieve its intended outcome - can you please confirm the purity of your SN?"), they would probably respond. I would contact them, but the last thing I want is more of a papertrail after my N disaster.

Personally, I'm leaning toward two hypotheses:
1) OP was drowsy when she took the SN and did not take the full drink. I know she says she woke up to find the glass empty, but 50 ml is actually a very small quantity of liquid and most of it can evaporate in a period of 10-11 hours.
2) OP received the SN from a source other than IC - i.e., a SS user who claimed to have SN from IC and shipped it to them directly.

I 100% drank the whole drink, I was tired but still very much with it. And I ordered directly from IC

I agree.

Repeating #1 twice in a row would be quite unusual though, no?
And even if only 10 g were ingested there would be more than just diarrhea happening, right?

#2 is most likely IMO.

Or of course #3: the OP is fibbing. (But I prefer to believe a potential victim)

I guarantee I'm not fibbing. I'm desperate to find a way out as much as the rest of us, so I turned to this forum hoping to find some understanding of what could've gone wrong :(

I agree with you on all fronts. Yes, OP repeating #1 twice would be highly unlikely, making #2 much more possible. The third possibility has crossed my mind, but like you, I'm really afraid of accusing someone of deception when they might be going through the worst time of their life. This situation is just so strange and it is (admittedly) causing me a great deal of anxiety.

Thank you for understanding that being accused of lying about this is really not what I need :(

I'm a very cynical and untrusting person. My issue. But there can only be one of two things going on: a company with a good reputation on the line is not being ethical or the OP isn't. Scientifically, her reaction to SN is a complete anomaly and implausible. Commercially, whoever IC is, knowing what their product is being used for, has too much to lose by allowing a one-off mislabeling to occur.

Again, this is my issue and my two cents' worth. I'm not judging - I have no reason to presume anyone's motives for anything. But it looks like a spade and I'm calling it.

I'm not sure what to say to the accusations of lying. I'm so broken mentally after this failing twice I really hope people can be a bit more understanding and I have no clue why on earth id lie about this

IC only sells one single item packaged in this kind of foil bag though. Everything else comes in brand name boxes, as you would see in a supermarket.

It is virtually impossible to "mix up" a brand name box of household salt with an aluminum foil bag that is filled from a large container of SN in a lab environment.

Would be nice to hear from the OP where she got the product from. But she hasn't been online - at least not with this account - since yesterday.

From IC directly

I hope OP didn't end up in the hospital with liver failure that developed after taking the wrong chemical, whatever it might have been. Since apparently IC has been a reliable source in the past, unless further information comes in about what happened I would not worry about sn from IC because there are simply too many unanswered questions about this incident. OP has not been a regular participant and has only ever started two threads here, one asking for sources and this one, as far as I can tell. Speculation seems hopeless and risky.

No there were no serious side effects except for pretty bad diarrhoea

I wonder what the OP actually took, it could make her really poorly thats why she hasn't been on.
I'm not convinced by the whole thing really, but don't want to think badly of the OP....
❤

I just had to pull myself together after those two failures so was busy getting wasted out of my mind in order to distract myself. I don't know what to say anymore :( I wouldn't waste mine and everyone else's time making something up like this. Not sure what else to say to convince everyone

Yes, investigate is what we are trying to do.

We have established that she used 20g the first night. She now took the remainder and it still didn't work.

Was the item opened when it arrived and deteriorated since then?
Has anyone else received a shipment during the same time and can they test the product?
We have one user who successfully CTBd in May, likely same batch. So why the issues now?


https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/failed-sn-not-sure-why.92077/post-1627834

The item was fully sealed until my first attemptb

i am just saying maybe this person is full of shit, we have to allow for that possibility, and if it is a legitamate concern i apologize.

Wow reading all of these comments is hurting me, I'm so desperate to get out of this horrific life and I understand people are sceptical because it is so confusing. But this is really a lot to read :(

Yes, i got that. And I would like us not to pile on a potential victim who just tried to CTB unsuccessfully and is likely in a very vulnerable position right now.

I really appreciate this

OP said ne a picture. Said "
i have a picture on my laptop to send but i cant seem to find a way to attach it" maybe I'm making a deal out of nothing but I'm trying to figure out why it was on there why they couldn't just take one from their phone. Maybe being a bit to skeptical.

I was using this site on my laptop so just wanted to attach it there so I airdropped it … not that complicated

Yes.

I realize that there is a certain motivation here towards discrediting the OP, however, some of us do not operate from our phones. I do not use this forum on my phone. In fact, I do very FEW things from my phone. If I for some reason wished to post a picture from my phone onto the forum, then I would move the picture from my phone to my computer via bluetooth. Anyone using the forum on the computer will have to figure out how to go about attaching pictures, which may not be easy for a person having cognitive issues from meds or their illness(es) or lack of sleep or whatever.

Thank you

 

[Doombox]

Took the photo on my phone and airdropped it to my laptop

Directly from the source

I weigh 54kg and yes used grams

I 100% drank the whole drink, I was tired but still very much with it. And I ordered directly from IC

I guarantee I'm not fibbing. I'm desperate to find a way out as much as the rest of us, so I turned to this forum hoping to find some understanding of what could've gone wrong :(

Thank you for understanding that being accused of lying about this is really not what I need :(

I'm not sure what to say to the accusations of lying. I'm so broken mentally after this failing twice I really hope people can be a bit more understanding and I have no clue why on earth id lie about this

From IC directly

No there were no serious side effects except for pretty bad diarrhoea

I just had to pull myself together after those two failures so was busy getting wasted out of my mind in order to distract myself. I don't know what to say anymore :( I wouldn't waste mine and everyone else's time making something up like this. Not sure what else to say to convince everyone

The item was fully sealed until my first attemptb

Wow reading all of these comments is hurting me, I'm so desperate to get out of this horrific life and I understand people are sceptical because it is so confusing. But this is really a lot to read :(

I really appreciate this

I was using this site on my laptop so just wanted to attach it there so I airdropped it … not that complicated

Thank you

I'm grateful you returned to this thread and that you are ok. I hope you can forgive the people who wondered about you because this is a situation that seems unthinkable and has a lot of people terrified. I also acknowledge how hard that is on you, to be doubted after such a terrible experience. Is there any chance you could contact ic and just tell them that your sn did not serve its preservative function and you wondered if they could confirm if there's been a quality control issue or not?

 

[idkanymore21]

I'm grateful you returned to this thread and that you are ok. I hope you can forgive the people who wondered about you because this is a situation that seems unthinkable and has a lot of people terrified. I also acknowledge how hard that is on you, to be doubted after such a terrible experience. Is there any chance you could contact ic and just tell them that your sn did not serve its preservative function and you wondered if they could confirm if there's been a quality control issue or not?

I'm grateful you returned to this thread and that you are ok. I hope you can forgive the people who wondered about you because this is a situation that seems unthinkable and has a lot of people terrified. I also acknowledge how hard that is on you, to be doubted after such a terrible experience. Is there any chance you could contact ic and just tell them that your sn did not serve its preservative function and you wondered if they could confirm if there's been a quality control issue or not?

yes I will look into this tomorrow

 

[neurotica]

it tasted nasty, i cant say if it was a salty taste but it was extremely bitter

no never opened it before, opened it an hour before drinking it in order to mix it. i didn't test it just as i trusted the source since its where everyone else seems to be getting it from atm, but do i just get some of my blood and put it in the sn and see if the blood turns bown?

What is IC? In the US. Thanks

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

What is IC? In the US. Thanks

At the top of this section of the forums are a bunch of sticky threads with lots of useful info. One of them is a "Resources" thread. Start there.

 

[tym]

Its things like this that lead me away from the poison thing. I have two different options with 1 being a 100 percent guarantee to not fail . even have the stuff rounded up. Just kinda waiting for now.

 

[ToughLife]

Its things like this that lead me away from the poison thing. I have two different options with 1 being a 100 percent guarantee to not fail . even have the stuff rounded up. Just kinda waiting for now.

What is this 100% guarantee not to fail option? Is it N?

 

[HappyForever?]

Its things like this that lead me away from the poison thing. I have two different options with 1 being a 100 percent guarantee to not fail . even have the stuff rounded up. Just kinda waiting for now.

I don't think there a suicide method that works 100% of the time except living until you eventually die.

 

[CrazyHorse]

Well regardless of what the op said their tone is one of alarmism and fear mongering, pipe down and let other people report in now
Plus I apologized in the post you quoted, if I am wrong . Thanks for directly quoting me to validate what I said about taking the middle

 

[DrWh033]

Unless the OP is not disclosing the whole truth which is a valid concern, we should start considering genetic variants that e.g have the metabolic capacity through the cytochrome p450 to revert the methemoglobin back to hemoglobin in higher rates than for the avg person.
I mean there are variants for everything. E.g people with sickle cell anemia survived because their red blood cells could survive after malaria infection ( unlike the normal rbc).

Given that it is only one incident described ( i.e without vomiting which is the primary weak spot of this method), it won't change my stance towards SN for now.

 

[Dot]

Unless the OP is not disclosing the whole truth which is a valid concern, we should start considering genetic variants that e.g have the metabolic capacity through the cytochrome p450 to revert the methemoglobin back to hemoglobin in higher rates than for the avg person.
I mean there are variants for everything. E.g people with sickle cell anemia survived because their red blood cells could survive after malaria infection ( unlike the normal rbc).

Given that it is only one incident described ( i.e without vomiting which is the primary weak spot of this method), it won't change my stance towards SN for now.

Or shld jst cnfrm tht ppl r tstng thr s.n. b4 takng it - slf dd nt C tht cnfrmatn

Shrt versn of aqurium tst -

* 2 bttles watr 1Ltre each - ds nt mattr if sprng watr or tp watr

* pt 1g of s.n in2 bottl 1 - rplce lid & shke

* pour awy 10ml watr frm bottl 2 & rplce w/ 10ml s.n watr frm bottl 1

* rplce lid & shke bottl 2 & tst watr frm tht bottl w/ aqurium strp

 

[SofterSoftest]

Or shld jst cnfrm tht ppl r tstng thr s.n. b4 takng it - slf dd nt C tht cnfrmatn

Shrt versn of aqurium tst -

* 2 bttles watr 1Ltre each - ds nt mattr if sprng watr or tp watr

* pt 1g of s.n in2 bottl 1 - rplce lid & shke

* pour awy 10ml watr frm bottl 2 & rplce w/ 10ml s.n watr frm bottl 1

* rplce lid & shke bottl 2 & tst watr frm tht bottl w/ aqurium strp

Thanks for explaining so clearly, Dot. I didn't realize how easy this test was - I think I'm going to make this as 'critical' a part of my regimen as AE. I really don't want to leave anything to chance. I think this is a much better alternative to the blood test, as there are a number of chemicals that can trigger methemoglobinemia. A colour change in blood from red to brown doesn't really give you a meaningful confirmation that what you have is SN.

 

[Medicmedic72]

i can read lol .. ive covered up the source as thats not allowed to share but here u go

https://i.postimg.cc/t4vTKLrp/IMG-1689.jpg

That's food grade. What color was it? I think someone mislabeled it.

Did you test it with blood?

She said she couldn't get enough blood to do the test.

 

[idkanymore21]

That's food grade. What color was it? I think someone mislabeled it.

She said she couldn't get enough blood to do the test.

It was white

 

[canneloni12]

It was white

Should be a creamy pale yellow colour from my understanding

 

[justagreenleaf]

SN from IC is my only hope and I see that even that, like everything else in my existence, has been crushed.

 

[Danjor88]

Sorry but got to call BS on this - "genetic variants" etc - yes like some people have a genetic variant that allows them to breathe underwater, or not die from arsenic, or bleeding out, or being hit by a train.

If oxygen cannot travel through the body, you die - there is no genetic anomaly that can traverse that reality.

I know various people who have had SN from the same source and ALL of them have been successful.

If you weigh what you say and you followed the protocol you'd be dead, no 2 ways about it, it sounds like a pro-lifer trying to cast doubt on the method, or on the trustworthiness of the source.

So either your accounts of you, your weight, your protocol, taking it, or blah, blah are false, or you are a walking, talking miracle that defies human biology that has existed since the dawn of time.

What seems to be the most probable?

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

prolifer scam - they just joined and this is their 1st post

Who are you referring to? The OP joined March 29th, posted a few times asking about SN sources on May 1st, posted an SN plan May 31st, and then posted this thread on June 1st.

 

[peacetoall]

OP why on earth would you try again with the same SN? That is what has me scratching my head. If it didn't work the first time, especially considering that you had no side effects, it's obviously not going to work the second time.

I don't know if OP is lying or not but for those who are using the SN method make sure you test it before using it.

 

[idonthavetobehere]

Sorry but got to call BS on this - "genetic variants" etc - yes like some people have a genetic variant that allows them to breathe underwater, or not die from arsenic, or bleeding out, or being hit by a train.

If oxygen cannot travel through the body, you die - there is no genetic anomaly that can traverse that reality.

I know various people who have had SN from the same source and ALL of them have been successful.

If you weigh what you say and you followed the protocol you'd be dead, no 2 ways about it, it sounds like a pro-lifer trying to cast doubt on the method, or on the trustworthiness of the source.

So either your accounts of you, your weight, your protocol, taking it, or blah, blah are false, or you are a walking, talking miracle that defies human biology that has existed since the dawn of time.

What seems to be the most probable?

I understand if OP is telling the truth how posts like these can be hurtful.


At the same time, many, perhaps thousands of Pro-Lifers read this forum, have tried to get this site taken down & etc.. So, when something doesn't seem to be adding up to members here, it is reasonable for them to be skeptical.

I'm not saying OP is lying but a lot of people are on guard here and it is reasonably so. I hope the OP doesn't take it personal, it's just a fragile situation in general.

It is nothing directly against OP, since we do not know them but rather what the outsiders who would like to "save" us here or see this site taken down are capable of. ~

 

[idkanymore21]

Sorry but got to call BS on this - "genetic variants" etc - yes like some people have a genetic variant that allows them to breathe underwater, or not die from arsenic, or bleeding out, or being hit by a train.

If oxygen cannot travel through the body, you die - there is no genetic anomaly that can traverse that reality.

I know various people who have had SN from the same source and ALL of them have been successful.

If you weigh what you say and you followed the protocol you'd be dead, no 2 ways about it, it sounds like a pro-lifer trying to cast doubt on the method, or on the trustworthiness of the source.

So either your accounts of you, your weight, your protocol, taking it, or blah, blah are false, or you are a walking, talking miracle that defies human biology that has existed since the dawn of time.

What seems to be the most probable?

I really don't know what to say. I've been suicidal for 8 years, I am definitely not a pro lifer and I don't see why I'd be bothered about casting doubt on the method or source. Everything I said is true, i really am unsure what else to say because being doubted like this is pretty horrible.

OP why on earth would you try again with the same SN? That is what has me scratching my head. If it didn't work the first time, especially considering that you had no side effects, it's obviously not going to work the second time.

I don't know if OP is lying or not but for those who are using the SN method make sure you test it before using it.

Because I was desperate. I don't know I just thought maybe the melatonin or weed interfered as people said maybe I should've skipped them out. I wish you could all see the state I'm in just to see that I'm not lying.

 

[Weebster]

We were warned of people like you in a thread the other day! Sowing seeds of doubt, heathen. SN and N never fail. It's doctrine.

 

[idkanymore21]

I understand if OP is telling the truth how posts like these can be hurtful.


At the same time, many, perhaps thousands of Pro-Lifers read this forum, have tried to get this site taken down & etc.. So, when something doesn't seem to be adding up to members here, it is reasonable for them to be skeptical.

I'm not saying OP is lying but a lot of people are on guard here and it is reasonably so. I hope the OP doesn't take it personal, it's just a fragile situation in general.

It is nothing directly against OP, since we do not know them but rather what the outsiders who would like to "save" us here or see this site taken down are capable of. ~

I completely understand this and thank you for wording it in a much kinder way than others. I am 100% telling the truth I'm not sure how else to prove to people other than keep reiterating. I came to this site hoping for support and understanding and it's become quite toxic for me to even look at this thread now because I just am accused consistently of being a liar.

We were warned of people like you in a thread the other day! Sowing seeds of doubt, heathen. SN and N never fail. It's doctrine.

I'm literally not. I must've received something else I don't know ?!!!! I really really don't know what to say anymore.
Is it possible that anti depressants could've interferes with it? That's the only last thing I can think of.

 

[Someone123]

There is a more accurate test called an aquarium test that you can get online to check the purity- they are maybe $20 or so.

 

[SofterSoftest]

I completely understand this and thank you for wording it in a much kinder way than others. I am 100% telling the truth I'm not sure how else to prove to people other than keep reiterating. I came to this site hoping for support and understanding and it's become quite toxic for me to even look at this thread now because I just am accused consistently of being a liar.

I'm literally not. I must've received something else I don't know ?!!!! I really really don't know what to say anymore.
Is it possible that anti depressants could've interferes with it? That's the only last thing I can think of.

I'm so sorry you're having this experience OP. I know that although anomalies like yours are exceptionally rare, they are possible. I've seen opioid naive people survive fentanyl doses that would likely kill an elephant. There is also a fairly sizeable body of peer-reviewed literature that describes cases of people surviving lethal doses of exposure to chemicals like cyanide without any treatment (see, for example: https://doi.org/10.1016/0736-4679(94)90359-X). In short, I do believe you despite this causing me a great deal of anxiety (SN is my method), if that counts for anything.

Antidepressants could very well interfere with SN, because antidepressants can function as antioxidants and SN is an oxidizing agent. Methylene blue, the treatment for SN, is an exceptionally powerful antioxidant. Are you on a very, very high dose of an antidepressant OP?

 

[Deleted member 31858]

I'm so sorry you're having this experience OP. I know that although anomalies like yours are exceptionally rare, they are possible. I've seen opioid naive people survive fentanyl doses that would likely kill an elephant. There is also a fairly sizeable body of peer-reviewed literature that describes cases of people surviving lethal doses of exposure to chemicals like cyanide without any treatment (see, for example: https://doi.org/10.1016/0736-4679(94)90359-X). In short, I do believe you despite this causing me a great deal of anxiety (SN is my method), if that counts for anything.

Antidepressants could very well interfere with SN, because antidepressants can function as antioxidants and SN is an oxidizing agent. Methylene blue, the treatment for SN, is an exceptionally powerful antioxidant. Are you on a very, very high dose of an antidepressant OP?

You are great. I wish everyone had a little empathy with OP. it must be hard to be attacked and just want to ctb in peace. His publication made me very nervous too, but I believe him. it must be hard.

@idkanymore21 I hope you find another source soon and you can have peace of mind. Check your antidepressants as mentioned and do blood and aquarium tests. Good luck.

 

[Badumtsss]

Well, I just ordered from IC, I hope it works. If you know other shops please PM me

 

[idkanymore21]

I'm so sorry you're having this experience OP. I know that although anomalies like yours are exceptionally rare, they are possible. I've seen opioid naive people survive fentanyl doses that would likely kill an elephant. There is also a fairly sizeable body of peer-reviewed literature that describes cases of people surviving lethal doses of exposure to chemicals like cyanide without any treatment (see, for example: https://doi.org/10.1016/0736-4679(94)90359-X). In short, I do believe you despite this causing me a great deal of anxiety (SN is my method), if that counts for anything.

Antidepressants could very well interfere with SN, because antidepressants can function as antioxidants and SN is an oxidizing agent. Methylene blue, the treatment for SN, is an exceptionally powerful antioxidant. Are you on a very, very high dose of an antidepressant OP?

thank you - im actually on a very low dose of antidepressants, hence why i didnt really think it would be an issue. do you think its possible that use of illegal drugs about 4 days prior couldve interfered?

You are great. I wish everyone had a little empathy with OP. it must be hard to be attacked and just want to ctb in peace. His publication made me very nervous too, but I believe him. it must be hard.

@idkanymore21 I hope you find another source soon and you can have peace of mind. Check your antidepressants as mentioned and do blood and aquarium tests. Good luck.

thank you, i really appreciate users like you. it has been absolutely horrible. im on the lowest possible dose of sertraline (50mg) so im not sure if it couldve been that

 

[SofterSoftest]

thank you - im actually on a very low dose of antidepressants, hence why i didnt really think it would be an issue. do you think its possible that use of illegal drugs about 4 days prior couldve interfered?

thank you, i really appreciate users like you. it has been absolutely horrible. im on the lowest possible dose of sertraline (50mg) so im not sure if it couldve been that

There really is no way of knowing *for sure* whether the sertraline might have interacted with SN, but I did find this article, which indicates that sertraline might be quite potent as an antioxidant: https://doi.org/10.33899/mjn.2021.169851

Would you feel comfortable sharing what drugs you took four days prior? That might also be helpful to know.

 

[idkanymore21]

There really is no way of knowing *for sure* whether the sertraline might have interacted with SN, but I did find this article, which indicates that sertraline might be quite potent as an antioxidant: https://doi.org/10.33899/mjn.2021.169851

Would you feel comfortable sharing what drugs you took four days prior? That might also be helpful to know.

i see.. i had taken cocaine and ketamine