Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[anonaon]

So it looks like I only need an EEBD hood now? And the EEBD hood is a perfect alternative to the exit bag, right?

I'd also try to spring for a nitrogen regulator if possible. As far as I know, Max Dog regulators are just repurposed oxygen regulators (the one that you have) so it could still work but I wouldn't risk it. In my opinion, a nitrogen-calibrated regulator that outputs a constant-specific flow rate is more important than choosing between an Exit Bag and the EEBD hood

 

[outrider567]

I'd also try to spring for a nitrogen regulator if possible. As far as I know, Max Dog regulators are just repurposed oxygen regulators (the one that you have) so it could still work but I wouldn't risk it. In my opinion, a nitrogen-calibrated regulator that outputs a constant-specific flow rate is more important than choosing between an Exit Bag and the EEBD hood

Yeah I threw my Max Dog regulator away(goodbye $300), it says Oxygen right on it--Greenberg said not to trust Max Dog regulators

 

[sivling]

As far as I know there is no air-to-nitrogen adapter for 21.7mm (I have never found one).
Are you from Spain or Italy? :)

The solution is getting an EU standard cylinder (W 24.32 × 1/14" RH) and get that air-to-nitrogen adapter. The adapter must be 300bar air side if using SCBA (all SCBAs are DIN300) or 200bar air side if using a DIN200 SCUBA regulator. The one on that image is DIN200.

I ´ii get a (W24,32x1/14) N2 bootle, will it work with a (W24.8 x 1/14) adaptor , 200-200 bar ?
Thanks

 

[Goghni]

I'd also try to spring for a nitrogen regulator if possible. As far as I know, Max Dog regulators are just repurposed oxygen regulators (the one that you have) so it could still work but I wouldn't risk it. In my opinion, a nitrogen-calibrated regulator that outputs a constant-specific flow rate is more important than choosing between an Exit Bag and the EEBD hood

Thanks for addressing this, so if I may confirm 100%, a regulator calibrated for oxygen at 15 litres per minute would not output nitrogen at 15 litres per minute?

I had an oxygen regulator in mind already but I don't understand the scientific side of things for if there's some sort of difference between the gases measures that makes parts incompatible. I figured it WOULD WORK because the Max Dog regulator used an oxygen regulator with a nitrogen gas cylinder. The appropriate oxygen regulator in the UK is very hard to find and expensive at around £150. I have yet to see a similar styled regulator that would be sold as appropriate for nitrogen.

 

[anonaon]

Correct. NItrogen and Oxygen have different molar mass (Nitrogen is slightly lighter) so the flow output is close but not exactly 1:1. You can probably get away with using an O2 regulator by using a higher flowrate (~20-25LPM) but I personally wouldn't risk it. The owner of EM is still taking orders via email so you could reach out to him. If memory serves, @Greenberg talked about this in his blog but I'm unable to access it for some reason so maybe he could chime in?

 

[Goghni]

Correct. NItrogen and Oxygen have different molar mass (Nitrogen is slightly lighter) so the flow output is close but not exactly 1:1. You can probably get away with using an O2 regulator by using a higher flowrate (~20-25LPM) but I personally wouldn't risk it. The owner of EM is still taking orders via email so you could reach out to him. If memory serves, @Greenberg talked about this in his blog but I'm unable to access it for some reason so maybe he could chime in?

TYVM for thorough help. I don't want to be taking up the thread with my personal problems anymore than I need to.

I'm aware of EM and IC are but not aware of the address or the email but it matters not if it's indeed run by KL because word is packages are being intercepted with a welfare check and given the media now targeting KL where I live I don't find my chances promising. Giving that kind of information out to people with 1 post is half the battle, the other half is eventually it would always catch on the owner if they looked through a bus catchers email/transaction history. It's just a shame feeling so close in terms of the timing.

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

They are in deed not that common. Are you searching locally or online ?

Locally in gas suppliers shops. Don't think it will get through customs. Either my nembutal got seized or I got scammed.

yes, but a 'click' regulator, that is, a regulator with a flowmeter --Flowmeter only way to control the flow

Thank you for that info.
Sorry, another question. If I set regulator to 30 liters per minute will it be faster?

 

[Das Nichts]

Locally in gas suppliers shops. Don't think it will get through customs. Either my nembutal got seized or I got scammed.

There is nothing illegal about pressure regulators, liter per minute is just more uncommon than setting lower pressure
in bar. Check amazon or ebay.

 

[outrider567]

Locally in gas suppliers shops. Don't think it will get through customs. Either my nembutal got seized or I got scammed.

Thank you for that info.
Sorry, another question. If I set regulator to 30 liters per minute will it be faster?

Faster? Well yes, but 15 LPM is the best choice as per Greenberg and GasMonkey the experts--I tried 25 LPM myself but my oximeter went haywire so I'm sticking with 15 LPM

 

[Das Nichts]

Sorry, another question. If I set regulator to 30 liters per minute will it be faster?

Also you will drain your gas twice as fast and would need to factor that into you cylinder choice.
Get one that supports 15 lpm because that is proven to work.

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

Also you will drain your gas twice as fast and would need to factor that into you cylinder choice.
Get one that supports 15 lpm because that is proven to work.

Will my cover story support that I want a 15LPM regulator and a tank of nitrogen that supports that? I'll stick with 15LPM too. I plan to also take sodium nitrate as well so doubling up to hopefully cancel out any chance of failure. Cover story is to prevent paint from drying and forming thick skin. I' was a signwriter by trade so I told them that a d have to have lots of different color paints on hand unlike a painter who buys and uses it straight away on a room. When I was signwriting it wasn't unusual to have 50 cans of paint and yes lots of wastage from skins forming. The place I went to was surprised and had never heard of that but could see yes it definitely was a great idea so thanks for mega thread for cover story.

 

[anonaon]

I also want to add that the normal minute ventilation, amount of air that enters the lungs per minute, is about 5-8L, which is why 15LPM has been proven to be effective because its 2.5x that. You can use a higher flowrate if you want but the benefits are extremely marginal. As long as you're breathing in a 0% oxygen environment for 5-10 minutes, you will die.

 

[ThisIsLife]

yes, but a 'click' regulator, that is, a regulator with a flowmeter --Flowmeter only way to control the flow

They're hard to find though. Now that EM is down and KL under investigation, it's even worse. I haven't found any that fits on EU latest standard "NF C" valves (21,7 x 1,814).

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

This is just my guess and I may be wrong but I feel like your bag is way too big to purge CO2 effectively and you will need a much higher flow rate than 15LPM. Also, given that you don't have a suitable regulator, I think you're better off with using a smaller bag

How is the regulator not suitable and how do you know if you find a suitable one as persons photo shows it set on 15lpm? I can't seem to find a source even for lpm regulator and now even if I can how do I know its suitable?

 

[ReluctantSeeker]

What will happen to KL? Will they investigate/track down all the stuff that was sold?

 

[anonaon]

How is the regulator not suitable and how do you know if you find a suitable one as persons photo shows it set on 15lpm? I can't seem to find a source even for lpm regulator and now even if I can how do I know its suitable?

Recall the purpose of the regulator as outlined on the first page of the thread:

1) it reduces the pressure in the cylinder to a useable level, otherwise the 2000psi tank pressure would just blow the exit bag off your head as soon as you opened the valve, and 2) it controls the rate of gas flow into the exit bag —specifically, it should release it at 15Lpm, which is the minimum adequate to carry away exhaled CO2 and fool your lungs into believing there's enough air.

The reason that their regulator is not "suitable" is because they're pairing an Oxygen regulator with a Nitrogen gas cylinder. As I said earlier, Nitrogen and Oxygen have different molar mass (Nitrogen is slightly lighter), meaning, a regulator calibrated for oxygen at 15 litres per minute would not output nitrogen at 15 litres per minute. . You can probably get away with using an O2 regulator by using a higher flowrate (~20-25LPM) but it is best practice to pair the regulator with its appropriate gas (argon regulator for argon gas, nitrogen regulator for nitrogen gas...) so you know exactly how much gas is coming out of a cylinder

 

[hatehypocrisy]

Yes, the Hood I got had the tubing already attached , so I just put the other end on the flowmeter, done various tests--Its amazing how the Nitrogen gets rid of the Oxygen in your body so easily

Thank you for answering my questions. I failed 3 times to CTB, but this time should make me successful!

I'd also try to spring for a nitrogen regulator if possible. As far as I know, Max Dog regulators are just repurposed oxygen regulators (the one that you have) so it could still work but I wouldn't risk it. In my opinion, a nitrogen-calibrated regulator that outputs a constant-specific flow rate is more important than choosing between an Exit Bag and the EEBD hood

I do have a nitrogen regulator, but it doesn't seem to be working properly. The first time I failed was because the gauge on it wasn't moving, so I couldn't tell how much flow there was.

I have searched for a nitrogen regulator online and in physical stores, but it seems difficult to find one.

 

[anonaon]

I have searched for a nitrogen regulator online and in physical stores, but it seems difficult to find one.

Yeah click-style nitrogen regulators are next to impossible to find outside of EM.

If I may ask, what went wrong with attempt 2 & 3?

 

[Goghni]

Yeah click-style nitrogen regulators are next to impossible to find outside of EM.

A whole bunch of threads about historical orders from IC for SN now, and I might be remembering wrong but I read someone mention their order of a hood being mentioned in their contact. It seems like several international police forces have a full list of people who have paid for items from KL, especially reliable given the number of people now saying so and how long some of those members have spent around here, it would be a very long con for anyone trying to scare us with just coordinated false stories.

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Personally my only option going forward is an oxygen regulator for 15LPM or 25LPM oxygen regulator with nitrogen. If money wasn't a problem I could theoretically run two separate nitrogen tanks with two separate oxygen regulators running at 10LPM for the most precise amount of nitrogen above the target of 15LPM but as close to it as possible. I think you would get somewhere between 15LPM and 20LPM of nitrogen?

But I'm not 100% on the maths, so anyone else please don't take this suggestion as accurate.

 

[anonaon]

DO NOT CONTACT K. I had the police knock at my front door. They inquired about SN. I wont speak any further

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

Recall the purpose of the regulator as outlined on the first page of the thread:

The reason that their regulator is not "suitable" is because they're pairing an Oxygen regulator with a Nitrogen gas cylinder. As I said earlier, Nitrogen and Oxygen have different molar mass (Nitrogen is slightly lighter), meaning, a regulator calibrated for oxygen at 15 litres per minute would not output nitrogen at 15 litres per minute. . You can probably get away with using an O2 regulator by using a higher flowrate (~20-25LPM) but it is best practice to pair the regulator with its appropriate gas (argon regulator for argon gas, nitrogen regulator for nitrogen gas...) so you know exactly how much gas is coming out of a cylinder

Thank you. That puts another spanner in my search I was going after oxygen regulator rather than ask for one for nitrogen so they guess or suspect what I'm really doing instead of what I tell them about the paint coverstory.

 

[anonaon]

Thank you. That puts another spanner in my search I was going after oxygen regulator rather than ask for one for nitrogen so they guess or suspect what I'm really doing instead of what I tell them about the paint coverstory.

None if this stuff is illegal. No one's going to suspect you for having a nitrogen regulator, just don't buy it from K or Max Dog

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

None if this stuff is illegal. No one's going to suspect you for having a nitrogen regulator, just don't buy it from K or Max Dog

I don't know those suppliers was trying to source where I live. My nembutal was either a scam or got seized I suspect scam as it was some person who said they used to work for dignatalis and they preyed on me knowing I was desperate to die asap. Still am. Hope cover story still works for wanting nitrogen lom regulator I'm now broke no money even for basics let alone finding close to 2k needed to buy everything for n ctb. So I just continue to suffer.
Had another recent one but no money so he refused to help

 

[anonaon]

So sorry that happened to you. Please dont trust anyone claiming to have N. It's a scam. Always request a sample first to get it tested

 

[seekingpeacefulend]

So sorry that happened to you. Please dont trust anyone claiming to have N. It's a scam. Always request a sample first to get it tested

How on earth do you do that and without drawing attention and alerting people. Can just imagine police visiting when I walk into a lab saying I need this tested to ensure it is what they claim, what is it, n. Why is dying so hard when anyone enduring what I have for 2 years would feel the same.

 

[anonaon]

You can ship it to exit international and they can verify the purity for you.

Also, this megathread is long enough. Let us keep it strictly for IG

 

[GasMonkey]

@Greenberg's blog has been taken down!

 

[Das Nichts]

You can ship it to exit international and they can verify the purity for you.

Also, this megathread is long enough. Let us keep it strictly for IG

Holy fuck! Did it contain info about sn or just inert gas ?

 

[GasMonkey]

What will happen to KL? Will they investigate/track down all the stuff that was sold?

Police are visiting all the people who bought equipment from EM (or SN from IC).
@Greenberg's blog has been taken down and he has self-banned his account, seems like he got a Police visit too.

 

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