Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Butterflyfree]

This back and forth with that Exit guides narratives will lead to nothing. I will only say, don't twist my words. It's a proven fact, that I have wrote several times on the forum, that not everybody will have consulsions, but many and that I am writing for the worst case scenario, which includes convulsions, because I have a responsibility for my writings and I will not put the health of other people in danger due to Exit narratives, hearsay, dangerous superficial knowledge, 2-fingers-stories or handpicked information.

One example are these animal experiments. Human beings are neither pigs nor rats. There have been also experiments with rats, but rats are living underground, so for them gases in the air have a different outcome in the behavior.

There have been made scientific experiments with human beings inhaling nitrogen, and it's a proven fact, that most of them had convulsions. Are you are a rat, pig or a human being?

There are countless people in care homes, probably also some, vanished from this forum, who had CTB failures with different methods and are now suffering under pain, amputations, brain damage or other things. They will never report about their failures, will never come back, because they are finished.

So it's up to everyone to take responsibility for the writing or not.

The gas method is so complicated and have to be fine tuned, it's also expensive, because cheap materials are dangerous, and it's a dangerous method if it goes wrong. You can not learn that within some days or a week.

To make this also worst-case-scenario 95 % safe, months are needed.

Every single case can be the worst case, and then it's over, if it is not done as safe as possible.

I will take my responsibility very serious, and after researching all these euthanasia groups and their propaganda techniques, and I made investigations and research as a professional for decades. I would give not a Cent for their word without research for my own. A lot of things can debunked only by common sense. But some CTP people are so desperate, that they believe anything, they will be told.

Why the 15 Liter/Minute Nitschke narrative was not debunked in the public years ago, that this has only be promoted and chosen, because Nitschke's equipment even the tubing are oxygen equipment, which has a free to purchase medical max flow standard of 15/Liter Minute? It's not chosen because of the good for the people but to sell his products better, that it will fit to his products and claims, to have a self-confirmation about what is in the PPH.

The minimum is at least 20 Liter/Minute, depending on the individual breath volume. Proven by scientists.

Again: Every single case can be the worst case, and then it's over, if it is not done as safe as possible.

I don't know if you are aware.. There is a difference between Philip Nieche exit international suicide assistance (pph) and final exit which started out as the Hemlock society (Derek Humphrey) and only assists people here in the US. I deal with final exit. I have been researching Nitrogen and exit bag for over a year now. I will be having Final exits assistance and will not be alone. I know your concern is mostly for those attempting this method alone. I also have concerns about those trying to alter using a mask instead of the bag. I don't think it's wise.

Does anyone else feel that the peaceful pill handbook offers an overtly positive view about this method, and does not notify the reader about it's risks nearly enough?

This method is very dangerous to try alone. That is, obviously, because even when it works, death is not always guaranteed. Done wrong, it has a pretty high potential of leaving you alive, with permanent, serious brain damage. Personally I would never try this method without assistance, because worse case scenario (and actually a quite likely one), i end up living the next 50 years in a home for the disabled. There are many ways one can fuck this up and the book is not underlining these ways or their consequences nearly enough. I'm all for spreading information about ways to end your life, but this part of the book needs improvement.

I don't know if english not being my first language has anything to do with this, but i just don't feel that it's detailed enough, especially when it comes to the risks involved.

Have you read Derek Humphreys final exit 2020?

 

[FromGermany]

Researching with the desire of having a specific outcome and deep independent research, this are two different stories.

I know every aspect of everything, be sure of that, and as I have wrote already on the forum, Humphry's old Helium instruction video is so insane and dangerous, it's even hilarious, so after investigating all of these groups I will repeat it again: I will not give a Cent for what they are talking about unless I have researched it for good reasons, because all of them, I repeat all of them with the exception of Switzerland N groups are telling not the whole truth, deceiving the people about the risks and consequences. So with that they are also playing with the health of people.

On his blog Humphry at the end of every 2nd question, he again and again mentioned his book. It's so penetrating.

They don't want you to know about their internal fights, the fight for customers, sometimes it looks like a war between them.

Everyone of them want to have a big piece of the CTB cake. The Dignitas desaster has also proven, that guides are sometimes clueless about what can happen if they try to copy other methods than N.

All of that are facts.

 

[Butterflyfree]

Researching with the desire of having a specific outcome and deep independent research, this are two different stories.

I know every aspect of everything, be sure of that, and as I have wrote already on the forum, Humphry's old Helium instruction video is so insane and dangerous, it's even hilarious, so after investigating all of these groups I will repeat it again: I will not give a Cent for what they are talking about unless I have researched it for good reasons, because all of them, I repeat all of them with the exception of Switzerland N groups are telling not the whole truth, deceiving the people about the risks and consequences. So with that they are also playing with the health of people.

On his blog Humphry at the end of every 2nd question, he again and again mentioned his book. It's so penetrating.

They don't want you to know about their internal fights, the fight for customers, sometimes it looks like a war between them.

Everyone of them want to have a big piece of the CTB cake. The Dignitas desaster has also proven, that guides are sometimes clueless about what can happen if they try to copy other methods than N.

All of that are facts.

@FromGermany I'm sorry but you seem to try to act as if you know it all and have all the answers. You don't. For all we on this forum know, you could be a right to life person trying to put such deep discouragement in others so they do not try any method. Clearly you haven't read Derek Humphreys final exit 2020 online only edition that has many updates. Final exits organization do not have anything to do with Derek Humphrey who wrote the book. Final exit is a US only organization who assist those wanting a peaceful exit. Their only method suggested is Nitrogen and the exit bag which has been used very succefully by final exit here in the US with those they assist.

 

[Ta555]

@FromGermany I'm sorry but you seem to try to act as if you know it all and have all the answers. You don't. For all we on this forum know, you could be a right to life person trying to put such deep discouragement in others so they do not try any method. Clearly you haven't read Derek Humphreys final exit 2020 online only edition that has many updates. Final exits organization do not have anything to do with Derek Humphrey who wrote the book. Final exit is a US only organization who assist those wanting a peaceful exit. Their only method suggested is Nitrogen and the exit bag which has been used very succefully by final exit here in the US with those they assist.

I really understand where you are coming from. I was pretty confident in this method until @FromGermany began posting and now I'm unsure of everything, especially since I got a regulator from escmode and they seem to be saying it won't work and they're bad quality etc. I think he/she is just very very careful and doesn't want to mess up when they decide to CTB so they've been researching the heck out of this and see pitfalls everywhere. I appreciate them coming in with their point of view but I do agree it does throw one off. I want to use an exit bag just to pass out before doing full suspension so it's not my main method and I thought I had everything I needed, nitrogen tank, escmode click regulator, tubing and now I question everything :( well. You know what, I can't get a nitrogen flowmeter where I live and I'll just have to take my chances with the escmode one. I know it was way too expensive and I understand where @FromGermany is coming from about it being a rip off but I guess no one is going to be handing these things out for free.
@Butterflyfree I wish you all the best on your journey and as long as if you've done your own reading and research you should be confident with your method. I appreciate all the posts you've made with questions because they help me too.

 

[Greenberg]

I really understand where you are coming from. I was pretty confident in this method until @FromGermany began posting and now I'm unsure of everything, especially since I got a regulator from [removed due to sourcing] and they seem to be saying it won't work and they're bad quality etc. I think he/she is just very very careful and doesn't want to mess up when they decide to CTB so they've been researching the heck out of this and see pitfalls everywhere. I appreciate then coming in with their point of view but I do agree it does throw one off. I want to use an exit bag just to pass out before doing full suspension so it's not my main method and I thought I had everything I needed, nitrogen tank, [removed due to sourcing] click regulator, tubing and now I question everything :( well. You know what, I can't get a nitrogen flowmeter where I live and I'll just have to take my chances with the [removed due to sourcing] one. I know it was way too expensive and I understand where @FromGermany is coming from about it being a rip off but I guess no one is going to be handing these things out for free.
@Butterflyfree I wish you all the best on your journey and as long as if you've done your own reading and research you should be confident with your method. I appreciate all the posts you've made with questions because they help me too.

@FromGermany is entitled to his opinions. I am in the same position as you are; but based on my many trials of the equipment, I am satisfied with absolutely no doubts of the effectiveness of my setup at 15lpm. Best, G

 

[FromGermany]

@Ta555, you need 2 % or less O2 in the bag to become unconscious without side effects. In the moment, the O2 level is 5 or 6 % again in the bag after at least 2 minutes, you will wake up with some kind of brain damage. After 5 minutes waking up, you have serious brain damage. Even with a perfect bag set 7-10 minutes are needed that you are brain dead.

The 15 Liter/Minute are a proven handpicked narrative by Nitschke to sell his products and because all of his equipment is based on oxygen. It's a hoax! I told that many times, a scientific study has proven, that even 25 Liter/Minuter must be considered, but for that you need a robust bag and not this oven bag. Everything under 20 Liter/Minute is dangerous, and this is based not on wannabe-knowledge but based on science.

This are no opinion. This are facts.

On this forum and on the internet there is so much unqualified nonsense written on this matter, that it is not only head shaking. It's dangerous.

One example is the so called extended bag method with a cheap scuba mask guide. People will wake up with a high probability with a brain damage with this guide. All these gas guides online are not working. They will lead to brain damage, and I don't want to know, how many readers are in the meantime forgotten in the care homes due to this kind of guides. No doubt, some are. I have spoken to some of my old contacts. She is in a higher position. I am not a story teller. For decades I was a professional researcher and made that for a living. This is the difference. She told me, that in the care homes some people are due to failed CTB, and it's not due to hanging only.

If someone has the desire for a higher probability to end up in a care home, it's everyones free choice. For me I will have a probability of 95 % success. 100 % is impossible.

With any regulator, one should make a test with 40 minutes gas with 20 Liter/Minute in a bag, to look, if the inflation is stable, if the tubing will flop out of the bag or from the tank. Of course, you have to refill your tank, but there is no $5 CTB.

At Ebay or other places one can purchase mannequin heads with bigger sizes for small money. You can measure your own neck and adjust the neck of the head with taping something around. Put the bag on. Start the test. Shake the head a little bit. This is, what also with you can happen.

Also with a bag and the test there is absolutey no way around to test it with an oxygen meter to ensure, that with your set there is no O2 higher than 2 % after latest 60 seconds in the bag and that during the first 10 minutes at no point the O2 level is more than 4 %.

This is the difference between talk and the real thing.

I told that thousands of times, but ignorance is a key element of human beings. The own case can be the rare worst case.

Spreading dangerous superficial knowledge on the CTB matter, regardless, which method, is really bad. Anonymous people like here have a much more responsibility for what they are writing.

Normally, I don't need to write here anymore, because I have almost all information I need for my own set, both ways, with the Scuba set and in case, my face does not fit, with the exit bag set. All the little details.

I am doing that to prevent other people from health issues, because there is so much dangerous superficial knowledge online. The same with CO. It's really a bad thing, because most people have not the time or the possibilities to research independent and deep, so they have only one source and have to trust it. They are in many cases also in a desperate situation or bad situation, which makes them more open to believe everything.

In the real world, everyone knows it, only an idiot would believe only one source if there are many.

Why is it so different on the CTB matter?

Because hope for an easy, cheap and fast CTB makes many people blind, and one can not even blame them for that.

The nice guy, who wrote about this method for months and months as it is so easy as water drinking, at the end he did not used the so easy described method but went to Switzerland.

The small details are telling the true story, and the small details are the most important thing with this method.

After I found out, that the 15/Liter Minute is a business hoax, and it's so obvious, it was clear to me, there is nothing one can trust on the CTB matter without the own researching.

For all we on this forum know, you could be a right to life person trying to put such deep discouragement in others so they do not try any method.

When no arguments are left, spreading lies and conspiracy theories are a well know tactic by weak people.

You are a bad person. If you would have read, what happened to my wife and what brought me here, you would never said that. But it's your right to say anything you want. But I have the right to defend myself also.

Greenberg, who still promotes the life threatening scuba guide on his blog, gave you a thanks. That's all, I need to know. I had a picture before of some people. It's always only a matter of time when the masks will fall.

 

[Ta555]

@Ta555, you need 2 % or less O2 in the bag to become unconscious without side effects. In the moment, the O2 level is 5 or 6 % again in the bag after at least 2 minutes, you will wake up with some kind of brain damage. After 5 minutes waking up, you have serious brain damage. Even with a perfect bag set 7-10 minutes are needed that you are brain dead.

The 15 Liter/Minute are a proven handpicked narrative by Nitschke to sell his products and because all of his equipment is based on oxygen. It's a hoax! I told that many times, a scientific study has proven, that even 25 Liter/Minuter must be considered, but for that you need a robust bag and not this oven bag. Everything under 20 Liter/Minute is dangerous, and this is based not on wannabe-knowledge but based on science.

This are no opinion. This are facts.

On this forum and on the internet there is so much unqualified nonsense written on this matter, that it is not only head shaking. It's dangerous.

One example is the so called extended bag method with a cheap scuba mask guide. People will wake up with a high probability with a brain damage with this guide. All these gas guides online are not working. They will lead to brain damage, and I don't want to know, how many readers are in the meantime forgotten in the care homes due to this kind of guides. No doubt, some are. I have spoken to some of my old contacts. She is in a higher position. I am not a story teller. For decades I was a professional researcher and made that for a living. This is the difference. She told me, that in the care homes some people are due to failed CTB, and it's not due to hanging only.

If someone has the desire for a higher probability to end up in a care home, it's everyones free choice. For me I will have a probability of 95 % success. 100 % is impossible.

With any regulator, one should make a test with 40 minutes gas with 20 Liter/Minute in a bag, to look, if the inflation is stable, if the tubing will flop out of the bag or from the tank. Of course, you have to refill your tank, but there is no $5 CTB.

At Ebay or other places one can purchase mannequin heads with bigger sizes for small money. You can measure your own neck and adjust the neck of the head with taping something around. Put the bag on. Start the test. Shake the head a little bit. This is, what also with you can happen.

Also with a bag and the test there is absolutey no way around to test it with an oxygen meter to ensure, that with your set there is no O2 higher than 2 % after latest 60 seconds in the bag and that during the first 10 minutes at no point the O2 level is more than 4 %.

This is the difference between talk and the real thing.

I told that thousands of times, but ignorance is a key element of human beings. The own case can be the rare worst case.

Spreading dangerous superficial knowledge on the CTB matter, regardless, which method, is really bad. Anonymous people like here have a much more responsibility for what they are writing.

Normally, I don't need to write here anymore, because I have almost all information I need for my own set, both ways, with the Scuba set and in case, my face does not fit, with the exit bag set. All the little details.

I am doing that to prevent other people from health issues, because there is so much dangerous superficial knowledge online. The same with CO. It's really a bad thing, because most people have not the time or the possibilities to research independent and deep, so they have only one source and have to trust it. They are in many cases also in a desperate situation or bad situation, which makes them more open to believe everything.

In the real world, everyone knows it, only an idiot would believe only one source if there are many.

Why is it so different on the CTB matter?

Because hope for an easy, cheap and fast CTB makes many people blind, and one can not even blame them for that.

The nice guy, who wrote about this method for months and months as it is so easy as water drinking, at the end he did not used the so easy described method but went to Switzerland.

The small details are telling the true story, and the small details are the most important thing with this method.

After I found out, that the 15/Liter Minute is a business hoax, and it's so obvious, it was clear to me, there is nothing one can trust on the CTB matter without the own researching.

When no arguments are left, spreading lies and conspiracy theories are a well know tactic by weak people.

You are a bad person. If you would have read, what happened to my wife and what brought me here, you would never said that. But it's your right to say anything you want. But I have the right to defend myself also.

Greenberg, who still promotes the life threatening scuba guide on his blog, gave you a thanks. That's all, I need to know. I had a picture before of some people. It's always only a matter of time when the masks will fall.

I appreciate your hard work into researching all this but I don't know where you get some of your information from. For example you say with 5 or 6 per cent oxygen you will wake up with brain damage. This is contrary to everything I have read myself during my own research which says anything below 10 per cent is fatal after 5-10 minutes.
Look, you are obviously very scared of failing and ending up a vegetable, I think the vast majority of us are scared of that. But if you want to CTB so badly and want to make sure it works there are much more simple and effective methods and much cheaper too than this super premium scuba mask set up. Drowning with weights is about as simple and cheap as you can get and doesn't require and testing. It's the most reliable method there is. Full suspension hanging is also very reliable. The only issue there is being found or the anchor point breaking but if you attach yourself to a shitty ceiling fan or shower railing that's your fault for not thinking this through properly. Hanging from a beam with a slipknot is quite lethal and a rope is much easier to test than a scuba nitrogen set up.
So there are methods that work perfectly well and are more reliable than nitrogen I guess people just don't want to go there because of the pain.
Personally I would never trust the gas method alone, no matter how good or expensive the gear was, this is why I'd go full suspension with an exit bag over my head to speed up unconsciousness. Otherwise drinking SN and then drowning in the bath with weights. It's really not that hard if you have a couple of hours alone.
I know there's a lot of misinformation or just hearsay or simply people's theories or opinions but hanging and drowning have been done for thousands of years. There's nothing to argue with there. It works. It's effective. If you're alone and you know how to tie a good knot you're not going to survive except by some divine intervention. Don't scare people off methods that are known and proven to work. Hanging can go wrong but is still much easier to do than any gas method.

 

[Butterflyfree]

@Ta555, you need 2 % or less O2 in the bag to become unconscious without side effects. In the moment, the O2 level is 5 or 6 % again in the bag after at least 2 minutes, you will wake up with some kind of brain damage. After 5 minutes waking up, you have serious brain damage. Even with a perfect bag set 7-10 minutes are needed that you are brain dead.

The 15 Liter/Minute are a proven handpicked narrative by Nitschke to sell his products and because all of his equipment is based on oxygen. It's a hoax! I told that many times, a scientific study has proven, that even 25 Liter/Minuter must be considered, but for that you need a robust bag and not this oven bag. Everything under 20 Liter/Minute is dangerous, and this is based not on wannabe-knowledge but based on science.

This are no opinion. This are facts.

On this forum and on the internet there is so much unqualified nonsense written on this matter, that it is not only head shaking. It's dangerous.

One example is the so called extended bag method with a cheap scuba mask guide. People will wake up with a high probability with a brain damage with this guide. All these gas guides online are not working. They will lead to brain damage, and I don't want to know, how many readers are in the meantime forgotten in the care homes due to this kind of guides. No doubt, some are. I have spoken to some of my old contacts. She is in a higher position. I am not a story teller. For decades I was a professional researcher and made that for a living. This is the difference. She told me, that in the care homes some people are due to failed CTB, and it's not due to hanging only.

If someone has the desire for a higher probability to end up in a care home, it's everyones free choice. For me I will have a probability of 95 % success. 100 % is impossible.

With any regulator, one should make a test with 40 minutes gas with 20 Liter/Minute in a bag, to look, if the inflation is stable, if the tubing will flop out of the bag or from the tank. Of course, you have to refill your tank, but there is no $5 CTB.

At Ebay or other places one can purchase mannequin heads with bigger sizes for small money. You can measure your own neck and adjust the neck of the head with taping something around. Put the bag on. Start the test. Shake the head a little bit. This is, what also with you can happen.

Also with a bag and the test there is absolutey no way around to test it with an oxygen meter to ensure, that with your set there is no O2 higher than 2 % after latest 60 seconds in the bag and that during the first 10 minutes at no point the O2 level is more than 4 %.

This is the difference between talk and the real thing.

I told that thousands of times, but ignorance is a key element of human beings. The own case can be the rare worst case.

Spreading dangerous superficial knowledge on the CTB matter, regardless, which method, is really bad. Anonymous people like here have a much more responsibility for what they are writing.

Normally, I don't need to write here anymore, because I have almost all information I need for my own set, both ways, with the Scuba set and in case, my face does not fit, with the exit bag set. All the little details.

I am doing that to prevent other people from health issues, because there is so much dangerous superficial knowledge online. The same with CO. It's really a bad thing, because most people have not the time or the possibilities to research independent and deep, so they have only one source and have to trust it. They are in many cases also in a desperate situation or bad situation, which makes them more open to believe everything.

In the real world, everyone knows it, only an idiot would believe only one source if there are many.

Why is it so different on the CTB matter?

Because hope for an easy, cheap and fast CTB makes many people blind, and one can not even blame them for that.

The nice guy, who wrote about this method for months and months as it is so easy as water drinking, at the end he did not used the so easy described method but went to Switzerland.

The small details are telling the true story, and the small details are the most important thing with this method.

After I found out, that the 15/Liter Minute is a business hoax, and it's so obvious, it was clear to me, there is nothing one can trust on the CTB matter without the own researching.

When no arguments are left, spreading lies and conspiracy theories are a well know tactic by weak people.

You are a bad person. If you would have read, what happened to my wife and what brought me here, you would never said that. But it's your right to say anything you want. But I have the right to defend myself also.

Greenberg, who still promotes the life threatening scuba guide on his blog, gave you a thanks. That's all, I need to know. I had a picture before of some people. It's always only a matter of time when the masks will fall.

@FromGermany I have nothing left to say to you. You are very arrogant and condescending. Whatever happened to you and your wife gives you no excuse to talk down to others as if they are all stupid and only you are the intelligent one. Good luck.

 

[FromGermany]

The wait is over!
Nitschke sect to reveal source for this ultimative exit bag in the next PPH update.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Does anyone else feel that the peaceful pill handbook offers an overtly positive view about this method, and does not notify the reader about it's risks nearly enough?

This method is very dangerous to try alone. That is, obviously, because even when it works, death is not always guaranteed. Done wrong, it has a pretty high potential of leaving you alive, with permanent, serious brain damage. Personally I would never try this method without assistance, because worse case scenario (and actually a quite likely one), i end up living the next 50 years in a home for the disabled. There are many ways one can fuck this up and the book is not underlining these ways or their consequences nearly enough. I'm all for spreading information about ways to end your life, but this part of the book needs improvement.

I don't know if english not being my first language has anything to do with this, but i just don't feel that it's detailed enough, especially when it comes to the risks involved.

I have to add: It really baffles me that anyone would put their name on the cover of that book. I mean i bet there are loads of people who tried his vaguely described methods and failed with terrible consequences.

But then again, if you think about the opposition you have to face informing people about ways to kill yourself, some backlash about the instructions being vague is probably nothing compared to all that noise.

 

[xcaramel]

Hi, reading all of this has left me nervous about a setup I was originally confident in.

I bought a Nitrogen regulator with a mask and tubing (the Americana kit) from [removed due to sourcing] which should be arriving in a few days and am confident that I will not be interrupted for several hours while I am exiting. Should I set the regulator to the highest flow rate possible and leave the mask to inflate for a few minutes then put it on? And will I experience pain? I'm most afraid of experiencing pain or being brain dead. I think [removed due to sourcing] regulators go up to 25lpm but I'm not sure.

Thank you so much

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Hi, reading all of this has left me nervous about a setup I was originally confident in.

I bought a Nitrogen regulator with a mask and tubing (the Americana kit) from [removed due to sourcing] which should be arriving in a few days and am confident that I will not be interrupted for several hours while I am exiting. Should I set the regulator to the highest flow rate possible and leave the mask to inflate for a few minutes then put it on? And will I experience pain? I'm most afraid of experiencing pain or being brain dead. I think [removed due to sourcing] regulators go up to 25lpm but I'm not sure.

Thank you so much

I'm not an expert but remember to remain in sitting position during the thing, do not to lie down. It apparently affects breathing and circulation.

 

[FromGermany]

"I'm not an expert"
"do not to lie down"

With Argon it would be even better to lie down.

@xcaramel

Products from [removed due to sourcing] are cheap, some are even dangerous. The hood in your kit is a $16 China crap and will give you a brain damage with some probabilies. Ensure at least a flow of 20 Liter/Minute. This hood is such a dirt, it will not even work with 25 Liter/Minute.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

? Who said anything about Argon? Who even uses that? Are you saying that position doesn't matter?

 

[xcaramel]

"I'm not an expert"
"do not to lie down"

With Argon it would be even better to lie down.

@xcaramel

Products from [removed due to sourcing] are cheap, some are even dangerous. The hood in your kit is a $16 China crap and will give you a brain damage with some probabilies. Ensure at least a flow of 20 Liter/Minute. This hood is such a dirt, it will not even work with 25 Liter/Minute.

So what kind of hood should I opt for instead? Do you have any recommendations?

 

[Butterflyfree]

So what kind of hood should I opt for instead? Do you have any recommendations?

I wouldn't be asking from Germany about this, or trusting what he says for that matter. I would ask Greenberg he knows more and doesn't have an agenda.

I'm not an expert but remember to remain in sitting position during the thing, do not to lie down. It apparently affects breathing and circulation.

Correct you want to recline but not lie down as gravity will help the CO2 escape as it builds up.

 

[FromGermany]

So what kind of hood should I opt for instead? Do you have any recommendations?

I have tested all EEBD hoods which are available, also the expensive ones here in Germany. They all do not work due to some little details unfortunately. One reason is, they are designed to have a flow of 40 Liters/Minute or even more.

There are only two options. The classic exit bag or a Ocean Reef Neptun Space G Divers set.

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"I would ask Greenberg he knows more and doesn't have an agenda."

You should know, this butterfly person is only angry, because she can not take facts about the exit bag method. I gave her the N source from D with PM, because she was so desperate. Some days later she started with her two-faced character to stab me in the back.

Of course, Greenberg, who shared her conspiracy theory, I am a pro lifer mole, which says it all. The guy who has blackmailed some time ago a member here on the forum to publish personal information on his blog, where also a life threatening so called extended exit bag is online, which will lead to brain damage. This is for a CTB forum, where anonymity and true facts are everything, of course the best reference.

I quote Greenberg:

"Oh, one more thing... when I post our conversation on my blog, it will reveal your identity and the city where you live. You are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of "turning you in." It is your last chance to retract and apologize."

Source: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag.64763/#post-1204674

The threat of publishing information to reveal the identity of a member on a CTB forum is the most evil thing one can do, regardless who is right or not.

This are all proven facts, and I am not here to smear honey at some mouthes but to tell the truth and to warn people about everything, either false facts with the possibly desire so see other people suffering or a massive lack of practical knowledge.

 

[xcaramel]

I have tested all EEBD hoods which are available, also the expensive ones here in Germany. They all do not work due to some little details unfortunately. One reason is, they are designed to have a flow of 40 Liters/Minute or even more.

There are only two options. The classic exit bag or a Ocean Reef Neptun Space G Divers set.

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"I would ask Greenberg he knows more and doesn't have an agenda."

You should know, this butterfly person is only angry, because she can not take facts about the exit bag method. I gave her the N source from D with PM, because she was so desperate. Some days later she started with her two-faced character to stab me in the back.

Of course, Greenberg, who shared her conspiracy theory, I am a pro lifer mole, which says it all. The guy who has blackmailed some time ago a member here on the forum to publish personal information on his blog, where also a life threatening so called extended exit bag is online, which will lead to brain damage. This is for a CTB forum, where anonymity and true facts are everything, of course the best reference.

I quote Greenberg:

"Oh, one more thing... when I post our conversation on my blog, it will reveal your identity and the city where you live. You are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of "turning you in." It is your last chance to retract and apologize."

Source: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag.64763/#post-1204674

The threat of publishing information to reveal the identity of a member on a CTB forum is the most evil thing one can do, regardless who is right or not.

This are all proven facts, and I am not here to smear honey at some mouthes but to tell the truth and to warn people about everything, either false facts with the possibly desire so see other people suffering or a massive lack of practical knowledge.

I see. then I'll probably make my own classic exit bag because there's been a lot of people who have done it already, not as much for SCUBA.

40lpm seems like a large flow requirement for these masks intuitively. Have you experimented with it and tested the oxygen content over time in these EEBD type hoods?
these posts have made me anxious about my setup I don't want to have brain damage and do this incompletely. I don't want to wake up after I do this and suffer more. are you sure the hoods are insufficient? what kind of procedure do I need for a proper classic exit bag

 

[FromGermany]

These EEBD hoods either have lousy tubing, risky connections to use it with tubing, no vents in the inner mask or the hood will not be filled fast enough and continius enough with gas. I mean, what will you expect from a $16 product from China? As I said, even the expensive ones from Germany are not working, because there is always one thing, which makes them not to work, and if it is a problem with the material at all.

Nitscke is pushing in his PPH the 3M Helmet and made a propaganda test to have an update for his subscribers.

The truth is, this helmet can not work, because the fabric is not airtight and the test was made without breathing in. The same with similar hoods. The fabric at the area round about the chin is thinner, so that one can breath out there. That means, one can also breath in there.

The main problem is, these products are designed with a very high flow.

I have invested a lot of money in that, and I was very, very, very disappointed, that it will not work. Fortunately, I did not purchased anything from the EcsMode rip-off scheme but found the manufactor in China for that hoods, was in contact with them for some time and so all investigations were cheap but real.

Again: There are only the two options left. The classic exit bag or a Ocean Reef Neptun Space G Divers set.

With 20 Liters/Minute an exit bag will work if all the small details are considered and fixed like prevent SI with using bungee cords. The exit bag have been used hundreds of times successfully, but here have been also a lot of failures.

One can learn more from the failures than from the successes.

Read this example of a Olympic medalist.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/page-47#post-1378306

If I have one of these very rare faces, the Ocean Reef Neptun Space G Divers will not fit, I will go with the exit bag.

 

[Greenberg]

I have tested all EEBD hoods which are available, also the expensive ones here in Germany. They all do not work due to some little details unfortunately. One reason is, they are designed to have a flow of 40 Liters/Minute or even more.

There are only two options. The classic exit bag or a Ocean Reef Neptun Space G Divers set.

---

"I would ask Greenberg he knows more and doesn't have an agenda."

You should know, this butterfly person is only angry, because she can not take facts about the exit bag method. I gave her the N source from D with PM, because she was so desperate. Some days later she started with her two-faced character to stab me in the back.

Of course, Greenberg, who shared her conspiracy theory, I am a pro lifer mole, which says it all. The guy who has blackmailed some time ago a member here on the forum to publish personal information on his blog, where also a life threatening so called extended exit bag is online, which will lead to brain damage. This is for a CTB forum, where anonymity and true facts are everything, of course the best reference.

I quote Greenberg:

"Oh, one more thing... when I post our conversation on my blog, it will reveal your identity and the city where you live. You are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of "turning you in." It is your last chance to retract and apologize."

Source: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag.64763/#post-1204674

The threat of publishing information to reveal the identity of a member on a CTB forum is the most evil thing one can do, regardless who is right or not.

This are all proven facts, and I am not here to smear honey at some mouthes but to tell the truth and to warn people about everything, either false facts with the possibly desire so see other people suffering or a massive lack of practical knowledge.

@FromGermany, I am so sorry that your circumstances have brought you to this vindictive state.

It is obvious you have been focusing and targeting your anger toward me and attempting to provoke the same in me for no apparent reason. As I said before, I have respected your opinions and have chosen to let you be and not engage in unhelpful arguments.

Please be mindful we are here for each other and not to diminish the reputation of members by taking things out of context.

Kindly refrain from your unfriendly behavior. May peace be with you, G

 

[FromGermany]

Thank Goodness, you have nothing to blackmail me like you did with that lady.

And with me it would not work, because I am debunking scammers, rip-off artists and other people with shady intentions since decades as a professional, and it's still working very well, as I can see with your reaction.

The truth was always on my side. This is a priceless advantage and the reason, why I have to fear nothing.

And if the gentleman allows it, I will now continue to prevent people from getting brain damage as this will happen with content from your blog and also continue to create the best setup for this method.

I have received half of my equipment already. The rest will follow very soon. It will be tested and then, because I have been asked for that, I will explain my own setup, which will prevent any damage by all available means.

The contrary, of what you are doing. I know people of your kind very well from the past, when I get paid to investigate and debunk them.

Blackmailing a person on this forum to reveal the identity is the most evil thing, one can do. Here is everything about anonymity. You did it. You are also pushing this EscMode rip-off so hard. There is an obvious reason for it. You also telling people, that they are fine with 15 L/Minute und should "go with it". You did it again, again and again, so many times. Proven facts. I have researched many of your posts and there is an interesting pattern. One could believe, there is a desire to see people fail, even with brain damage. This is my opinion in the meantime.

The question is, who here is the real mole? I am not.

 

[Butterflyfree]

@FromGermany exactly what is your agenda? I can't figure it out but I am sure that you have one. The thing that upsets me the most is your utter paranoia and need to prove everyone wrong. Your defamation of others character especially FEN saying they are lying and wrong in their methods. I don't know how to convince you otherwise and I'm not going to try. You're fear mongering is total bullshit and you shouldn't be here spreading misinformation. You ARE dangerous. You act as if you know everything. Have you been witness to hundreds upon hundreds of exits as FEN has? I am doubtful you have been witness to any. I personally am taking FEN at their word. I'm am going with the classic exit bag and 20cu tank and the flow rate that Greenberg and FEN suggests.

 

[FromGermany]

If FEN will come to you, yell at them and say: "No, I don't want that 20 Liter/Minute! Don't do that with me! Take your bag and **** off. A super intelligent high premium member and blackmail expert told me on a forum, that 15 Liter is enough. So he must be right and Humphry an idiot, also this scientists, when they all claim, 20 Liter is the minimum flow. I want to go the Creationist way. Science doesn't matter. By the way. Has anyone of you guards a Bitcoin Account? This ****er from Germany gave me the N source, so I could stab him in the back a few day later. I don't want to go the safer way with 20 Liter, so perhaps N would be the right choice."

My own setup is described from now on only in this thread:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...with-nitrogen-and-replace-the-exit-bag.79080/

 

[Butterflyfree]

If FEN will come to you, yell at them and say: "No, I don't want that 20 Liter/Minute! Don't do that with me! Take your bag and **** off. A super intelligent high premium member and blackmail expert told me on a forum, that 15 Liter is enough. So he must be right and Humphry an idiot, also this scientists, when they all claim, 20 Liter is the minimum flow. I want to go the Creationist way. Science doesn't matter. By the way. Has anyone of you guards a Bitcoin Account? This ****er from Germany gave me the N source, so I could stab him in the back a few day later. I don't want to go the safer way with 20 Liter, so perhaps N would be the right choice."

My own setup is described from now on only in this thread:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...with-nitrogen-and-replace-the-exit-bag.79080/

@Greenberg this bullshit? I'm shaking my head and rolling my eyes.

 

[FromGermany]

Quote Greenberg

"Oh, one more thing... when I post our conversation on my blog, it will reveal your identity and the city where you live. You are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of "turning you in." It is your last chance to retract and apologize."

"when I post our conversation on my blog, it will reveal your identity and the city where you live"
"your last chance to retract and apologize."

Source:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag.64763/#post-1204674

This is blackmail, and to threaten someone on a CTB forum to reveal the identiy, is evil.

 

[Greenberg]

@Greenberg this bullshit? I'm shaking my head and rolling my eyes.

Yes, it is complete BS. Nonetheless, he can say whatever he wants. We just simply ignore him, that is all. I would deem him as a negative contributor!

I love how he takes things out of context. Apparently, I am a now blackmailer too! Go figure...not to be taken seriously.

 

[ExpiredLion]

Are there any videos on how to make the bag other than that one with "Doing it with Chi"? Not surprising that I can't even make the bag correctly, but when following that video I cannot for the life of me, no pun intended, get the damn draw string to thread through as the plastic bag gives no friction at all to move it along the inside. I'm not sure if that means the plastic bag I have is the wrong material then?

 

[Butterflyfree]

Are there any videos on how to make the bag other than that one with "Doing it with Chi"? Not surprising that I can't even make the bag correctly, but when following that video I cannot for the life of me, no pun intended, get the damn draw string to thread through as the plastic bag gives no friction at all to move it along the inside. I'm not sure if that means the plastic bag I have is the wrong material then?

I found making it with the drawstring was easy. The one I can't figure out is how to make it with the sweat headband the way Derek Humphrey tells you.

 

[Zakovian331]

Saved,thank you for the megathread!

 

[Daria98765]

Thanks!