Euthanasia: The Atlantic

[TiredHorse]

It's an interesting article for many reasons, not least because there's some interesting technical information to be found regarding the drugs they use and don't use:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/01/medical-aid-in-dying-medications/580591/

I find it ironic that even doctors are now mourning the unavailability of pentobarbitol (N).

 

[Smilla]

It's an interesting article for many reasons, not least because there's some interesting technical information to be found regarding the drugs they use and don't use:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/01/medical-aid-in-dying-medications/580591/

I find it ironic that even doctors are now mourning the unavailability of pentobarbitol (N).

I don't know if I can read the entire article without becoming interminably angry, but I'll try.

 

[Smilla]

This is why the Nitrogen/exit bag is so brilliant-obviously so.

We don't need drugs or doctors for a humane death. Oklahoma has now approved N2 for executions, which should have been obvious years before...

 

[TAW122]

This is an interesting article and I've read it. Wow, $3.5K for doctors to get Seconal?! Holy shit, sometimes I think Bausch Health who bought the rights to manufacture the drug must be some pro-life or some for-profit organization. Anyways, I do hope that DMP cocktail of drugs becomes viable in the coming years. I don't know how the winds of politics will fare in the future, but I hope fellow Americans will continue to fight for pro-euthanasia legislation in the years to come.

This is why the Nitrogen/exit bag is so brilliant-obviously so.

We don't need drugs or doctors for a humane death. Oklahoma has now approved N2 for executions, which should have been obvious years before...

I agree and I do find it a bit disgusting that death row inmates (particularly heinous criminals) have access to a peaceful and easy death, even after many years of suffering in prison. Yet terminally ill or people who are just tired of life not only get denied the right/choice to die, but threatened forced treatment and detainment for planning or attempting to.

I too am not waiting for a doctor or some special drug to ctb, hence it is why I bought my firearm over a month ago so I can check out anytime I choose to. Also having the ability to just suicide on a whim allows me to cope just a little bit longer.

 

[color_me_gone]

This is why the Nitrogen/exit bag is so brilliant

100% agree Smilia, who needs N when we have N2
I'd much rather starve my body of oxygen, than kill it with poison.
So much more appealing to me, and so much easier to get.

 

[Smilla]

100% agree Smilia, who needs N when we have N2
I'd much rather starve my body of oxygen, than kill it with poison.
So much more appealing to me, and so much easier to get.

Some folks dislike the idea of a bag over their head, which is understandable but I liken it to putting space between me and the world—sounds corny but I actually enjoy the idea.

 

[killing me softly]

"Others joined that meeting or later ones by telephone: a toxicologist in Iowa, a veterinarian, a pharmacologist, another anesthesiologist."

haha, couldn't help but wonder if A was invited.

 

[color_me_gone]

idea of a bag over their head

That is the only thing I find unappealing about this method. I want to do it in a car (got the idea from
TiredHorse's thread). I want to recline the back of the seat to about 45 degrees when doing the deed. I don't know whether that will interfere with the bag method, or not. I feel I need the reclining to relax and overcome my SI. I plan to psych myself up to imagining I am in a dentist's chair, getting NOX gas for a procedule. I think that will help me through the urge to pull off the bag at the onset of unconscious. I feel I need to overcome that problem for success. I don't want to blow it. Perhaps TiredHorse can weigh in on whether I can recline at 45 with a bag, without problems.

Smilia, I'm going to follow you, us gassies have to stick together. :-)

 

[Smilla]

That is the only thing I find unappealing about this method. I want to do it in a car (got the idea from
TiredHorse's thread). I want to recline the back of the seat to about 45 degrees when doing the deed. I don't know whether that will interfere with the bag method, or not. I feel I need the reclining to relax and overcome my SI. I plan to psych myself up to imagining I am in a dentist's chair, getting NOX gas for a procedule. I think that will help me through the urge to pull off the bag at the onset of unconscious. I feel I need to overcome that problem for success. I don't want to blow it. Perhaps TiredHorse can weigh in on whether I can recline at 45 with a bag, without problems.

Smilia, I'm going to follow you, us gassies have to stick together. :-)

I think reclining is okay at that angle-you don't have to be perfectly upright but laying flat isn't recommended for reasons I can't understnad.

Car would be convenient but aren't you worried about discovery? Although this method is fast, it's not instant and I'd be concerned about cops even in a secluded area.

 

[TiredHorse]

Perhaps TiredHorse can weigh in on whether I can recline at 45 with a bag, without problems.

As @Smilla says, reclining at 45° shouldn't be a problem. I think the reason lying flat isn't recommended is because you might slide downward, toward your feet, if you experience any unconscious movement, and scrape the bag off your head. Or maybe just lolling about, scrunch up the bag. In short, lying down allows your body more ways to move that might dislodge the bag. However, given that car seats are very much designed to hold you steady, I think this would give an excellent sense of security for keeping the bag in place.

FWIW, I made my attempts in a chair with maybe a 60° angle and didn't deem it too much risk.

 

[Smilla]

As @Smilla says, reclining at 45° shouldn't be a problem. I think the reason lying flat isn't recommended is because you might slide downward, toward your feet, if you experience any unconscious movement, and scrape the bag off your head. Or maybe just lolling about, scrunch up the bag. In short, lying down allows your body more ways to move that might dislodge the bag. However, given that car seats are very much designed to hold you steady, I think this would give an excellent sense of security for keeping the bag in place.

FWIW, I made my attempts in a chair with maybe a 60° angle and didn't deem it too much risk.

This makes sense, thank you as always for insightful input.

My plan is in a bed, sitting upright, and propped up with pillows.

 

[color_me_gone]

worried about discovery

Ya, nothing is ever 100% guaranteed, for sure. I have not yet scoped out my spot, but would try for one of two things:
Far out in the country, on a dead end dirt road, with no evident houses or building in the area. Hopefully also plenty of trees around to limit distance viewing. Even if by chance, cops were called, generally speaking, they are slow to respond. I know I need 40 minutes to be sure.

Second thought was to park where there were some car already there, but still remote. An additional car would not stick out like a sore thumb, and least likely to arouse suspicion. At least in the short term of 40 minutes. Nothing is ever perfect.

 

[Smilla]

Ya, nothing is ever 100% guaranteed, for sure. I have not yet scoped out my spot, but would try for one of two things:
Far out in the country, on a dead end dirt road, with no evident houses or building in the area. Hopefully also plenty of trees around to limit distance viewing. Even if by chance, cops were called, generally speaking, they are slow to respond. I know I need 40 minutes to be sure.

Second thought was to park where there were some car already there, but still remote. An additional car would not stick out like a sore thumb, and least likely to arouse suspicion. At least in the short term of 40 minutes. Nothing is ever perfect.

I'd go with the first option of total isolation. Wouldn't park near a car—you are risking the owner returning to their car in the midst of your attempt which is more likely than a cop sniffing you out. Car owner could be a late night dog walker or teens having some fun in the woods, etc.

 

[color_me_gone]

reclining at 45° shouldn't be a problem

Thanks for your input TiredHorse. Then bag it is! As long as I can recline, I think I can deal with the bag. Reclining also helps make it less obvious that someone is in the car, and is doing something nefarious. That aids in unwanted interruption.

 

[color_me_gone]

I'd go with the first option of total isolation.

Thanks Smilia, I agree, which is why it is my first option.
I think it is worth my effort to put some time into finding the perfect spot.
I love the idea of remoteness, and in nature. The peacefulness will also help overcome SI.
A well planned ctb = success! :-)

 

[Sixfeetunder]

As @Smilla says, reclining at 45° shouldn't be a problem. I think the reason lying flat isn't recommended is because you might slide downward, toward your feet, if you experience any unconscious movement, and scrape the bag off your head. Or maybe just lolling about, scrunch up the bag. In short, lying down allows your body more ways to move that might dislodge the bag. However, given that car seats are very much designed to hold you steady, I think this would give an excellent sense of security for keeping the bag in place.

FWIW, I made my attempts in a chair with maybe a 60° angle and didn't deem it too much risk.

What about doing it in a bathtub? I've considered doing it in a bathtub so that if I leak any fluids, it'll be easier to clean up. I'd be lying down, but with my head propped up, so between a 45 and 90 degree angle.

And thank you for making that article. Hopefully the government won't start putting restrictions on purchasing inert gas if this method becomes more common.

 

[TiredHorse]

What about doing it in a bathtub? I've considered doing it in a bathtub so that if I leak any fluids, it'll be easier to clean up. I'd be lying down, but with my head propped up, so between a 45 and 90 degree angle.

I would worry about the slick surface of the bathtub allowing me to slide downward as I became unconscious and my legs relaxed, and the bag getting scrunched up / displaced as I slid down.

 

[color_me_gone]

Hopefully the government won't start putting restrictions on purchasing inert gas if this method becomes more common.

Inert gas is already very common.
Discovered in the late 90s, it was extremely popular in 00s, with helium for balloons as the choice gas.
Around 2015, balloon gas suppliers started mixing 20% air with helium, defeating its use to ctb.
Then the switch was made to nitrogen, not quite as easy to get.
Best to get nitrogen that is guaranteed 100% pure. Used for welding etc. requires pure.
It certainly is possible for gov't to require some kind of certification before acquisition, but not there yet.

 

[color_me_gone]

I would suggest continuing this discussion of Inert Gas use on TiredHorse's thread:
[Method] Exit bag and inert gas megathread
as it is off topic for this thread.