starleaf

starleaf

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Dec 13, 2019
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hey everyone ... I wanna CTB... I am just so tired. But guilt... my parents are not bad people... they dont deserve to lose a child. I feel like everyone else I know would be relatively okay if I died. Like maybe it would hurt them but they would be okay... but not my parents. I feel so much resentment too... like I have to live this life in so much pain so my parents won't have to experience pain...

I reached out to speak to someone who might be able to understand where I am coming from... like with my own abuse (not at my parent's hands). Maybe it will help, but it feels like no matter where I turn there is just dysfunction and abuse. Its just overwhelming on my end. I know that this is going into a spiritual space and stuff and I don't know this for sure, but I fear the karmic weight of causing pain for my parents. The last thing I want to do is hurt anyone.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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I made a promise I wouldn't. I curse the person daily who I made the promise to, but will keep my vow.
 
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Adieu

Adieu

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Jun 27, 2019
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How old are you?
 
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dyingtodie

Student
Nov 29, 2018
115
Yeah I also feel guilty at the thought of causing pain to my parents over my death which really feels inevitable, I mean, I really do not want to be here any longer. But I know that if/when I go it will be because I've truly had enough suffering, and I hope/trust that they will understand as I've done everything possible to explain my condition to them. Regardless, I'm not responsible for anyone else's feelings.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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Cough cough... we won't mention how @Sensei said today I was not permitted to leave. Between you and Stan..... :blarg:
 
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Sensei

Sensei

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Nov 4, 2019
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Cough cough... we won't mention how @Sensei said today I was not permitted to leave. Between you and Stan..... :blarg:

Request to abdicate the throne denied. You're staying. :tongue:
 
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SHThrowAway213

SHThrowAway213

That's the hell I live with
Apr 19, 2018
658
Yes it does.
I don't mind how it will affect my family, but it's how it will affect my husband which is stopping me the most.
 
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hatelife

Experienced
Oct 13, 2019
269
hey everyone ... I wanna CTB... I am just so tired. But guilt... my parents are not bad people... they dont deserve to lose a child. I feel like everyone else I know would be relatively okay if I died. Like maybe it would hurt them but they would be okay... but not my parents. I feel so much resentment too... like I have to live this life in so much pain so my parents won't have to experience pain...

I reached out to speak to someone who might be able to understand where I am coming from... like with my own abuse (not at my parent's hands). Maybe it will help, but it feels like no matter where I turn there is just dysfunction and abuse. Its just overwhelming on my end. I know that this is going into a spiritual space and stuff and I don't know this for sure, but I fear the karmic weight of causing pain for my parents. The last thing I want to do is hurt anyone.
I feel like this also, I dont know whats worse my pain or their pain, no matter what I choose it will be hell for me, I also had same thought about giving out links to SN, if it were me I would have wanted ppl to help me out like I got help in finding relief I got SN finally, but at same time I look at bigger picture that its not my job but God makes that decision how one dies. I feel like I killed somebody by helping them give link to it, they killed themselves here a week ago..I feel so guilt still even though I know we all here want to die, maybe I could have helped in another way not like that, Its like we are so hurting so we dont se clearly like normal ppl see this, a normal person who is mentally well would try to ask why they want to die, but I shared links like drugdealers or druggies share info about drugdealers...
 
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Deleted member 13412

Deleted member 13412

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Dec 27, 2019
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u dont own anyone anything. what about you ? do ur parents think of the pain u will go through when they die ? i dont think so. they brought u into this life knowing that anything bad could happen to you, a suicide included.
 
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Manja

Can't wait to die
Nov 27, 2019
182
I understand you...I waited my whole life bc I couldn't do that to my parents, they suffered enough in life allready and there is no greater pain then loosing a child. It just says that you are a good person and not heartless and selfish
 
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hatelife

Experienced
Oct 13, 2019
269
my parents went through a war, (me too ) but still they had their lives destroyed because of a war, and so its just makes it harder, I was planning to wait after my mom dies, but it feels forever to wait, this summer was so bad for me well the last few ones have been hell.


it feels like this, aviicis father said there is a life before and a life after his death, :( made me cry
 
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freedommatrix

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Dec 19, 2019
59
I understand you...I waited my whole life bc I couldn't do that to my parents, they suffered enough in life allready and there is no greater pain then loosing a child. It just says that you are a good person and not heartless and selfish

Is that true though? I would think that homelessness, prison, working as a slave would be way worse than losing a child IMO. Not downplaying it but I'm curious as to people calling it the worst thing ever.
 
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Manja

Can't wait to die
Nov 27, 2019
182
Is that true though? I would think that homelessness, prison, working as a slave would be way worse than losing a child IMO. Not downplaying it but I'm curious as to people calling it the worst thing ever.
Love is way above prison and other stuff you mentioned...nothing compares to love especially love for a child. No sacrifice is too much
 
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BPD Barbie

BPD Barbie

Visionary
Dec 1, 2019
2,361
I used to feel guilty but the pain I'm in every day from mental illness has now surpassed that feeling of guilt. I can't live for other people anymore, it's cruel and unfair.
 
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Meant2Die

Meant2Die

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Nov 8, 2019
307
Yea I feel a huge amount of guilt b/c I've always been the kind of person who is very sensitive to other's feelings (prob to a fault) and would bend over backwards for others. If I was in a fight with someone, it would kill me knowing I might have said something that made them upset, I would always take the blame on myself even if they were the ones who were assholes, or abusive, or uncaring, etc. Honestly, it's a pretty unbalanced character flaw that made my life a little harder.
I have great friends, and an alright family, with 2 kids (niece and nephew) and for a while i hung on just bc i couldn't imagine hurting them. But, I have a chronic illness and a moment came where i realized all the drugs and medicines and $$$ spent on doctors is not helping, just sustaining a pretty mediocre and often very painful, fatigued and uncomfortable (physically) life and things are actually slowly getting worse. It also affects me deeply mentally; bad memory, poor word recall, DEEP ANHEDONIA , emotional numbness, depression and anxiety. So my CTB is not a call for attention for some teenage angst, or an impulsive "need to get out of here now, I'm overwhelmed" kind of decision.. it's a well thought out analysis of my life and health as it has been for the last decade and current state and a decision to HELP myself to not hurt anymore or in the future.. and guess what, I STILL FEEL GUILTY.

I"m not religious, but sometimes I think if God wanted it a different way then it would be different. I can't keep being the "strong one" constantly suffering while others have a normal life. They can't relate to my struggle and I know if they could experience what my daily life is like in my body they would understand. So i just keep repeating to myself what I believe in which is that we plan our lives and experiences before we come down here to earth. We make contracts with people from our soul families to come here with us and some of us pick very ambitious lives with a high chance of a suicide and everyone knows about it and agrees to it before hand. In fact, according to the books I read (Your Souls Gift by Robert Schwartz, which has an entire chapter on suicide) we want to have these experiences, b/c in one life you'll be the one committing suicide, in another you'll be experiencing someone else's. The soul wants to experience ALL situations of life, so it makes sense an incarnation comes where you'll have to be the one to CTB. This is all nice on paper, and easier said than done, but it's the only thing that gives me some kind of release from the guilt.
(sorry to have gone off the deep end with the spirituality stuff :)

EDIT: Funny, i just randomly came across one of my older posts which basically talks about the same thing (here). This is from Nov, so I was far away from my CTB date which is upcoming in the next 2-3 weeks. I see in my own writing how determined and confident I was that I'm doing the right thing. I guess i didn't know at the time the guilt would kick in the closer i got to the end.
 
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Elbarado

Experienced
Dec 25, 2019
243
You are not alone with your guilt i feel the same.
I guess i will overcome the guilt if my health get worse and the diagnose from docs are 100% clear.
I think my parents will understand better in that case
 
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EveryBreathIsWar

EveryBreathIsWar

My body wants to live but my mind wants to die..
Dec 27, 2019
16
u dont own anyone anything. what about you ? do ur parents think of the pain u will go through when they die ? i dont think so. they brought u into this life knowing that anything bad could happen to you, a suicide included.
True, I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way but I've for a while now have said to myself that we are all just brought into the world unwillingly but once we're here we are simply just expected to accept it from the general society and friends and family so when you really want to ctb this daunts over you and rids you with guilt because you feel as if in your mind your imprisoned and trapped to a life you don't want for the sake of other peoples welfare and this isn't right at all. Anyone else think of stuff like or simular to this?
 
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Manja

Can't wait to die
Nov 27, 2019
182
True, I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way but I've for a while now have said to myself that we are all just brought into the world unwillingly but once we're here we are simply just expected to accept it from the general society and friends and family so when you really want to ctb this daunts over you and rids you with guilt because you feel as if in your mind your imprisoned and trapped to a life you don't want for the sake of other peoples welfare and this isn't right at all. Anyone else think of stuff like or simular to this?
Yeah all the time...but I just cannot hurt someone who loves me...just can't
 
bigoutfit

bigoutfit

Member
Oct 7, 2019
50
My mum would be heart broken if and when I CTB. We have spoken about it before and she said something along the lines of "it would be a huge waste of life and make me very upset". I left the conversation at that. She means well.

Couldn't really care less what anybody else thinks though.
 
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mediocre

trapped here
Nov 9, 2019
1,442
maybe this is selfish but I don't feel any guilt. I don't owe anybody anything. I don't have any responsbilities so it's probably easier for me.
 
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EveryBreathIsWar

My body wants to live but my mind wants to die..
Dec 27, 2019
16
Yeah all the time...but I just cannot hurt someone who loves me...just can't
When I'm not distracting myself from my mind I find myself always thinking very deeply but on a ultra realistic level. Gets bad alot knowing the only way I'm surviving day by day is simply down to distractions and it's no life to live at all. I understand and respect that, all I've done is many written Memos on my phone and about 4hrs of voice recordings ect to just hope that the ones closest to me can find a sense of peace and understanding for when I ctb.
 
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Sensei

Sensei

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Nov 4, 2019
6,336
Yea I feel a huge amount of guilt b/c I've always been the kind of person who is very sensitive to other's feelings (prob to a fault) and would bend over backwards for others. If I was in a fight with someone, it would kill me knowing I might have said something that made them upset, I would always take the blame on myself even if they were the ones who were assholes, or abusive, or uncaring, etc. Honestly, it's a pretty unbalanced character flaw that made my life a little harder.
I have great friends, and an alright family, with 2 kids (niece and nephew) and for a while i hung on just bc i couldn't imagine hurting them. But, I have a chronic illness and a moment came where i realized all the drugs and medicines and $$$ spent on doctors is not helping, just sustaining a pretty mediocre and often very painful, fatigued and uncomfortable (physically) life and things are actually slowly getting worse. It also affects me deeply mentally; bad memory, poor word recall, DEEP ANHEDONIA , emotional numbness, depression and anxiety. So my CTB is not a call for attention for some teenage angst, or an impulsive "need to get out of here now, I'm overwhelmed" kind of decision.. it's a well thought out analysis of my life and health as it has been for the last decade and current state and a decision to HELP myself to not hurt anymore or in the future.. and guess what, I STILL FEEL GUILTY.

I"m not religious, but sometimes I think if God wanted it a different way then it would be different. I can't keep being the "strong one" constantly suffering while others have a normal life. They can't relate to my struggle and I know if they could experience what my daily life is like in my body they would understand. So i just keep repeating to myself what I believe in which is that we plan our lives and experiences before we come down here to earth. We make contracts with people from our soul families to come here with us and some of us pick very ambitious lives with a high chance of a suicide and everyone knows about it and agrees to it before hand. In fact, according to the books I read (Your Souls Gift by Robert Schwartz, which has an entire chapter on suicide) we want to have these experiences, b/c in one life you'll be the one committing suicide, in another you'll be experiencing someone else's. The soul wants to experience ALL situations of life, so it makes sense an incarnation comes where you'll have to be the one to CTB. This is all nice on paper, and easier said than done, but it's the only thing that gives me some kind of release from the guilt.
(sorry to have gone off the deep end with the spirituality stuff :)

EDIT: Funny, i just randomly came across one of my older posts which basically talks about the same thing (here). This is from Nov, so I was far away from my CTB date which is upcoming in the next 2-3 weeks. I see in my own writing how determined and confident I was that I'm doing the right thing. I guess i didn't know at the time the guilt would kick in the closer i got to the end.

You seem to be a through and through good person and a fighter. I hope you'll keep on fighting, but I can understand if you're tired and want to rest. You are obviously suffering and there can be no doubt that you have given this much thought. You are not leaving because you think you're a burden, I hope?
 
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voyager

voyager

Don't you dare go hollow...
Nov 25, 2019
965
Love is way above prison and other stuff you mentioned...nothing compares to love especially love for a child. No sacrifice is too much

Well, obviously it is, or they would bless their child's ctb, right? :hihi:

Expecting your child to live in pain is really just as selfish as us taking our own lives and handing the pain to them. There is little difference really. There's no wrong side in this, both are understandable. But I'm just being difficult. I'm in the same situation as you and my mum is indeed the main barrier. I'm deliberately calling her a barrier here, because we are waiting for our parents to die and to me that's just sick. That's not life, but the complete opposite of it. I don't even want my mum to die. Ideally I'd want her to understand, which she does to a certain degree, and then move on and do something with her life, and this I doubt. She's lovely, but she's also very bitter. Bitter about her life, her health, her kids, her ex-husband, society, ...everything. But she's not suicidal. Which I'm thankful for, but it makes it so much harder. If I kill myself, I add to her long list of misery and maybe push her over the edge. How nice. If I don't, we can be miserable together for the rest of our lives. Again, this is sick, but if I knew a date, then that's something I could work with. But for all I know it could be twenty years, and that really scares me. Things are bound to get worse. I do wish life had been better for her. As her child I wish I could've contributed to this with some good things, for her sake and mine. But that's simply not what it is. So, why make it harder than it is? Why can't people just be rational about these sort of things?
 
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CyanideSoup

CyanideSoup

Memento mori
Oct 1, 2019
463
Yes, I feel so guilty for wanting to leave my daughter behind but I know deep down I'd be doing her a favour. She deserves the best opportunity in life and I can't give her that. I love her more than anything but I don't want her to grow up witnessing or feeling the pain I feel every day.
 
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Sensei

Sensei

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Nov 4, 2019
6,336
Yes, I feel so guilty for wanting to leave my daughter behind but I know deep down I'd be doing her a favour. She deserves the best opportunity in life and I can't give her that.

If you're really planning to die by your own hand, make sure that what you state above is a fact and not simply a thought sprung from depression.

I love her more than anything but I don't want her to grow up witnessing or feeling the pain I feel every day.

Again, if you're really planning to die by your own hand, ask yourself this first: Do you think your daughter prefer that you die or to see you in pain? I assume you won't give her the opportunity to choose.

I don't doubt for a second that you're in pain and that you want to die. You are free to do anything you wish and no one here can stop you. However, you decided to bring a child into this world. She never asked to be born. I think you owe it to her to explore all thinkable and unthinkable alternatives before you decide to take the final step.
 
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FullyUnplugged

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Dec 25, 2019
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That's all that's been on my mind the last 3 months is how it will affect my family.
 
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HopeDiesLast

self-banned
Dec 28, 2019
254
It's not so much "guilt" that's stopping me, but love and concern for my parents. As much as I want to end my anguish, I just cannot stand the thought of hurting them in such a profound way. We live on different continents, so I feel like my death wouldn't directly impact them much (i.e. not having me around)...but emotionally it would destroy them.

I recently returned to my home country after almost a decade...with the hope of getting their "blessing" to end my life. I thought if I had an open and honest conversation with them then maybe they would support me in my decision, and thus make it more bearable for them. Basically give them a head's up and ease the impact. I talked to my dad...and he said he would "understand", but that he could not "support" it. He is WELL aware of the trauma I have experienced in my life, and the agony I'm going through. He told me he could not blame me if I went that route...but he also said it would destroy him. Seeing the tears in his eyes and the sadness on his face is what's keeping me from ending my life. So I'll continue in pain so that he won't have to... :(

As for my mom, I never got around to having the conversation with her. No point in making her worry, when I already know I won't be able to go through with it. So I returned home. I had a wonderful visit with them...but I didn't accomplish what I had hoped for. So on I go...
 
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Flume

Flume

Villain
Oct 28, 2019
300
hey everyone ... I wanna CTB... I am just so tired. But guilt... my parents are not bad people... they dont deserve to lose a child. I feel like everyone else I know would be relatively okay if I died. Like maybe it would hurt them but they would be okay... but not my parents. I feel so much resentment too... like I have to live this life in so much pain so my parents won't have to experience pain...

I reached out to speak to someone who might be able to understand where I am coming from... like with my own abuse (not at my parent's hands). Maybe it will help, but it feels like no matter where I turn there is just dysfunction and abuse. Its just overwhelming on my end. I know that this is going into a spiritual space and stuff and I don't know this for sure, but I fear the karmic weight of causing pain for my parents. The last thing I want to do is hurt anyone.

I really respect your good heart and that you still have it despite everything that happend :hug: takes a lot to keep it during really hard times.
 
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