Does anybody here use incels.is?

[whiskers]

I'm not sure if the founders of SS run incels.is but I do know that they identify as incels.

Which makes me wonder if there are any incels or .is users around here?
I found .is users like @Adûnâi without even trying.

 

[hhtroc]

im technically incel I guess but I don't hate women does that count. Ive had relationships in the past but nothing fulfilling and i was kinda acceptable back then. also i think that website is lowkey garbage, blackpill is pretty real but nothing comes from hating other people. i used to go on looksmax but they are even more hostile to each other than people irl are to them, they should know the pain yet they still decide to bully whoever they deem to be below them and then complain they get treated by shit by people they deem themselves to be below to. why should i be hateful of people who hate me when i hate myself just as much. its just very painful to think about i guess. world is cruel i guess. what are u currently coping with?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

One of the cofounders of SS did in fact also create incels.is. This is a known fact and not like a big secret or anything.

I'm literally a 31 year old kissless virgin incel male but I don't feel the need to make an incels.is account. I'm pretty sure if I signed up I'd get dogged on for being a 6ft tall fakecel and still being too incompetent to even get a single date.

I did try to sign up once a few years ago but I think I stopped because there was a rule saying you can't even make fictional female characters into your profile picture and that's pretty ridiculous to me. I don't hate women or anyone of the female gender for my circumstances anyway. I know they're my fault and that the world would probably be a better place for women and non incel men if all people like me were just dead so that's why I prefer being here anyway.

 

[whiskers]

im technically incel I guess but I don't hate women does that count. Ive had relationships in the past but nothing fulfilling and i was kinda acceptable back then. also i think that website is lowkey garbage, blackpill is pretty real but nothing comes from hating other people. i used to go on looksmax but they are even more hostile to each other than people irl are to them, they should know the pain yet they still decide to bully whoever they deem to be below them and then complain they get treated by shit by people they deem themselves to be below to. why should i be hateful of people who hate me when i hate myself just as much. its just very painful to think about i guess. world is cruel i guess. what are u currently coping with?

Yeah, you can be an incel without hating women. Inceldom isn't about hating women anyway. It literally just means that you cannot attract a woman due to factors (genetic) out of your control.
I can understand why you think .IS is garbage too. Most of these edgy posts you see are either made by underage users in a phase or ragebaiters trying to attract attention from redditors, so it's nothing to worry about. Incel violence is statistically rare.

Also, i cope with bedrotting and binge watching random tv shows or anime
stuff like that
Wbu?

 

[hhtroc]

Yeah, you can be an incel without hating women. Inceldom isn't about hating women anyway. It literally just means that you cannot attract a woman due to factors (genetic) out of your control.
I can understand why you think .IS is garbage too. Most of these edgy posts you see are either made by underage users in a phase or ragebaiters trying to attract attention from redditors, so it's nothing to worry about. Incel violence is statistically rare.

Also, i cope with bedrotting and binge watching random tv shows or anime
stuff like that
Wbu?

Not coping anymore, only this website. I also think im lowkey decent genetics just grew wrong, makes it harder. Im less tall than projected and i was giga goodlooking as a child, everyone trrated me nicely. Sucks.

 

[Spicy Tteokbokki]

One of the cofounders of SS did in fact also create incels.is. This is a known fact and not like a big secret or anything.

I'm literally a 31 year old kissless virgin incel male but I don't feel the need to make an incels.is account. I'm pretty sure if I signed up I'd get dogged on for being a 6ft tall fakecel and still being too incompetent to even get a single date.

I did try to sign up once a few years ago but I think I stopped because there was a rule saying you can't even make fictional female characters into your profile picture and that's pretty ridiculous to me. I don't hate women or anyone of the female gender for my circumstances anyway. I know they're my fault and that the world would probably be a better place for women and non incel men if all people like me were just dead so that's why I prefer being here anyway.

Do they even accept girls on that site or would they like insta-ban me if I joined out of sheer curiosity, if I made it known I am a girl?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Do they even accept girls on that site or would they like insta-ban me if I joined out of sheer curiosity, if I made it known I am a girl?

They would ban you. SaSu is the only site that the creators made that allows women, at least from what I know. The rest of the forums will ban you if they find out about you being a woman, including incel.is. Don't know why you want to join that site anyways since, based on the bit that I've seen of it, it's quite vile in nature.

 

[SVEN]

They would ban you. SaSu is the only site that the creators made that allows women, at least from what I know. The rest of the forums will ban you if they find out about you being a woman, including incel.is. Don't know why you want to join that site anyways since, based on the bit that I've seen of it, it's quite vile in nature.

Ooh, you wee Jester, you.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Ooh, you wee Jester, you.

 

[Rymrgand]

Yeah, you can be an incel without hating women. Inceldom isn't about hating women anyway. It literally just means that you cannot attract a woman due to factors (genetic) out of your control.

I don't fully agree. Incel was a term created (by a woman, ironically) to talk about the lack of sex and relationships that some people had due to external reasons. Often because of an physical or mental illness. The original project was inclusive and it could have been helpful, I don't really know too much about it.

However, currently inceldom is a term for a specific subculture connected to several online communities. Incel is someone who belongs to that subculture. Every incel is a virgin (or similar), but not every virgin is a incel.

And this subculture is pretty toxic. There are a lot of incels that have toxic mentalities about women and relationships in general, even if they are good people. And there are a lot that are just not good people. You say that an incel is a person who can't attract a partner due to factors out of their control. But a lot of them don't attract women because they are assholes or, at least, emotionally immature.

For example, I have been a virgin all my life. It wasn't genetic, but I had a bad childhood, so it was out of my control. I hate that, even if I recover, I have already permanently missed some experiences I would only be able to experience when I was younger. But I don't consider myself an incel, because I don't identify with that subculture. Why would I? There are so many people that are lonely and virgin-ish, and only a small percentage of them are incels.

You can still consider yourself an incel if you want, even if you don't agree with most of them, but... why? If you say to a empathetic person in reasonable circumstances (to a potential friend, or online) that you never had any kind of relationship for X reason, they could empathize with you and try to comfort you. If you tell them that you are an incel, however, they will probably consider it a red flag.

 

[Spicy Tteokbokki]

They would ban you. SaSu is the only site that the creators made that allows women, at least from what I know. The rest of the forums will ban you if they find out about you being a woman, including incel.is. Don't know why you want to join that site anyways since, based on the bit that I've seen of it, it's quite vile in nature.

I just like learning and seeing things from other's perspective, not shy away because something is uncomfortable.
Thanks for explaining, though.

 

[ventingfrustrations]

Honestly funeral cry's posts have kinda made me celibate a little like I don't want to give the possible significant other the grief of losing me especially when they don't know how bad I am because I a pathetic piece of shit hid it from them
My only possibility is like a fwb deal

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I don't fully agree. Incel was a term created (by a woman, ironically) to talk about the lack of sex and relationships that some people had due to external reasons. Often because of an physical or mental illness. The original project was inclusive and it could have been helpful, I don't really know too much about it.

However, currently inceldom is a term for a specific subculture connected to several online communities. Incel is someone who belongs to that subculture. Every incel is a virgin (or similar), but not every virgin is a incel.

And this subculture is pretty toxic. There are a lot of incels that have toxic mentalities about women and relationships in general, even if they are good people. And there are a lot that are just not good people. You say that an incel is a person who can't attract a partner due to factors out of their control. But a lot of them don't attract women because they are assholes or, at least, emotionally immature.

For example, I have been a virgin all my life. It wasn't genetic, but I had a bad childhood, so it was out of my control. I hate that, even if I recover, I have already permanently missed some experiences I would only be able to experience when I was younger. But I don't consider myself an incel, because I don't identify with that subculture. Why would I? There are so many people that are lonely and virgin-ish, and only a small percentage of them are incels.

You can still consider yourself an incel if you want, even if you don't agree with most of them, but... why? If you say to a empathetic person in reasonable circumstances (to a potential friend, or online) that you never had any kind of relationship for X reason, they could empathize with you and try to comfort you. If you tell them that you are an incel, however, they will probably consider it a red flag.

I kind of compare it to being Christian and being homophobic. Nothing about worshipping Jesus Christ says you have to hate gay or trans people, in fact he'd probably not condone that at all. And yet the typical perception of Christianity as a whole has been tainted with the idea that followers have to be against homosexuality, even amongst the followers themselves. Obviously you can still be devout and love God without carrying any hate in your heart and not even in an "oh I actually pity them" kind of way but definitely people are still going to make the association because of what they've seen before.

While yes, it would probably be more helpful to not identify as an incel, to me I feel it's disingenuous to pretend I'm not one as long as the incel status is true. The same way I presume a true follower of Christ would have to feel about being forced to hide their beliefs just because of what the social environment around them says. That said there are still some differences I'd say and I would actually argue that denying one's incel status could actually be more harmful than accepting and confronting it. Obviously if I stop being one I'll no longer call myself one but until that stops being true, then I just can't hide who I really am.

 

[Rymrgand]

While yes, it would probably be more helpful to not identify as an incel, to me I feel it's disingenuous to pretend I'm not one as long as the incel status is true. The same way I presume a true follower of Christ would have to feel about being forced to hide their beliefs just because of what the social environment around them says. That said there are still some differences I'd say and I would actually argue that denying one's incel status could actually be more harmful than accepting and confronting it. Obviously if I stop being one I'll no longer call myself one but until that stops being true, then I just can't hide who I really am.

The problem with this is that the incel status is not true. It's just a made up term. You can't say that you are technically an incel because incel is not a technical term. What you are is a virgin. It's not like you really are in celibacy, anyway, that's something really different to simply not having sex.

It's like saying that you are a skinhead because you are bald. Or a furry just because you are really really hairy. That's not how words work.

 

[ventingfrustrations]

The problem with this is that the incel status is not true. It's just a made up term. You can't say that you are technically an incel because incel is not a technical term. What you are is a virgin. It's not like you really are in celibacy, anyway, that's something really different to simply not having sex.

It's like saying that you are a skinhead because you are bald. Or a furry just because you are really really hairy. That's not how words work.

Yeah honestly wish there was a term for people who don't have sex but also are not toxic towards women

Yeah honestly wish there was a term for people who don't have sex but also are not toxic towards women

Like obviously a different term than incel

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

The problem with this is that the incel status is not true. It's just a made up term. You can't say that you are technically an incel because incel is not a technical term. What you are is a virgin. It's not like you really are in celibacy, anyway, that's something really different to simply not having sex.

It's like saying that you are a skinhead because you are bald. Or a furry just because you are really really hairy. That's not how words work.

All terms are made up. That's how human language works. The definition of furry also happens to actually be quite flexible. There are actually many negative associations with that term too. Not all furries are zoophiles, hell not all of them even like to dress up or have a furry name/identity they just like anthropomorphic characters platonically. That's actually another really good example of a label society loves to misjudge due to prominent bad examples.

Honestly I'd rather call myself an incel than a virgin because saying I'm a virgin makes it seem more like it's not my fault when it reality it totally is.

 

[whiskers]

I don't fully agree. Incel was a term created (by a woman, ironically) to talk about the lack of sex and relationships that some people had due to external reasons. Often because of an physical or mental illness. The original project was inclusive and it could have been helpful, I don't really know too much about it.

However, currently inceldom is a term for a specific subculture connected to several online communities. Incel is someone who belongs to that subculture. Every incel is a virgin (or similar), but not every virgin is a incel.

I think you fail to realize that 'incel' isn't its own word. It's a portmanteau of the term "involuntary celibate" and its use dates back to the 19th century. Alana basically coined the two words into one thus making it easier to pronounce it. So no, the word doesn't denote to someone belonging to a misogynistic subculture.

But a lot of them don't attract women because they are assholes or, at least, emotionally immature.

Or maybe they're just unattractive???

 

[Pluto]

I kind of compare it to being Christian and being homophobic. Nothing about worshipping Jesus Christ says you have to hate gay or trans people, in fact he'd probably not condone that at all. And yet the typical perception of Christianity as a whole has been tainted with the idea that followers have to be against homosexuality, even amongst the followers themselves. Obviously you can still be devout and love God without carrying any hate in your heart and not even in an "oh I actually pity them" kind of way but definitely people are still going to make the association because of what they've seen before.

While yes, it would probably be more helpful to not identify as an incel, to me I feel it's disingenuous to pretend I'm not one as long as the incel status is true. The same way I presume a true follower of Christ would have to feel about being forced to hide their beliefs just because of what the social environment around them says. That said there are still some differences I'd say and I would actually argue that denying one's incel status could actually be more harmful than accepting and confronting it. Obviously if I stop being one I'll no longer call myself one but until that stops being true, then I just can't hide who I really am.

I just want to say, I think you're a great guy with a good heart, and I understand your predicament. But if your understanding is incomplete, I can tell you from experience that it is extremely important to pay attention and be willing to reconsider. That's why I am respectfully reaching out, even though I normally completely avoid this topic.

There is indeed some association with various forms of intolerance in fundamentalist Christianity. There can even be racism against Jews and/or Middle Easterners in some cases, despite this amounting to racism against Jesus himself! The literal definition of Christianity should be a 'follower of Christ', but instead it amounts to 'belonging to some Church'. And what a big difference that is...

With billions of people identifying as Christian, and endless disputes between the countless denominations, the word has little in the way of solid definition. Those billions include some openly gay people, regular people who are practically irreligious, independent spiritual seekers who disagree with organised religion and more. Thus, I don't think this is the best analogy for the topic in question.

To me, the situation is more akin to a struggling businessman adopting an identity of 'loser' because he thinks it's literally true, then joining an Icelandic website called loser.is to indulge in a pity party with others in the same position. The short-term benefit is a sense of validation, camaraderie and a semblance of community, but the price to pay is a virtual guarantee that nothing will improve as time marches relentlessly on.

Wouldn't it make more sense to hang out with successful businesspeople, network with them and learn how they tick? Or alternatively, seek some other pathway in life? What is the strange masochistic appeal of openly rejecting genuine solutions and making it into a whole identity?

In practice, labels and words mean different things to different people. Regarding the subject matter of this thread, if the term in question is interpreted literally, that potentially lumps together a vast group of people. For example, most late-teenagers in single-sex schools, people who live in isolated regions, the imprisoned, a huge number of older people, ageing widowers, people with various disabilities and many more.

If, in practice, it is a boys-only internet club which excludes women and then complains about a lack of women, what is the benefit aside from the aforementioned validation at the cost of improvement? Furthermore, the association with historical misogynistic murderers is very real in the mind of the general public. I might add that it is also a movement that makes many normal men feel ashamed to be men.

The phenomenon of unsuccessful men - unsuccessful in any number of areas - generally begins with a lack of quality male role models when growing up. The miserable cycle of ineffective effort, escapism, poor results and self-pity continues indefinitely until a firm decision is made to change, though be warned: it gets harder with time. And turning 35, 40 and 45 while being in the same position is NOT fun.

Are there good male role models for us? I've commented on this before and used Bruce Lee as an example. Aside from his tragic death, the incredible focus of his mind and powerful drive he displayed in all areas of his life makes him a paragon of tough, powerful yet ethical masculinity. And yes, he even found a partner. Of course, there are many other great men, though all will display these basic traits; tough as hell yet respectful towards others. Note that these qualities are the extreme opposite of the weak, entitled, whiny aggression of the Icelandic victimhood cult.

How to apply this role model stuff in practice? If the question is genuinely engaging, a great shift has already begun. But if the compulsion is to argue back to keep the toxic old ego identification intact, then you'll have to learn what I am speaking about the hard way.

Finally, you mention that the situation is your fault. This, wisely, implies that there is such a thing as choice. Then, in turn, the situation is by definition no longer involuntary. The whole identification mercifully breaks down at that point.

Or, if the term is being used as a slur against lonely, single men for self-flagellation purposes, please consider the collateral damage to women living with fear of violence or predation by radicalised lunatics, or for that matter, decent men who may be struggling in life, but are at least fighting hard to be the best version of themselves. I personally don't think this term has a place in our community for these reasons, hence why I do not use it.

If you want one-on-one guidance with this stuff, reach out. Changing our identifications after so many years is difficult and uncomfortable, but you can take my word: reaching an older age group having never been loved and never been true to oneself is a thousand times harder again.

 

[Rymrgand]

I think you fail to realize that 'incel' isn't its own word. It's a portmanteau of the term "involuntary celibate" and its use dates back to the 19th century. Alana basically coined the two words into one thus making it easier to pronounce it. So no, the word doesn't denote to someone belonging to a misogynistic subculture.

I don't fail to realize that. And my point still stands. The origin of the word doesn't matter, incel is used exclusively to talk about that specific subculture.

Or maybe they're just unattractive???

And yes, this is the problem. They think that it's because they are unattractive, but it's not that. There are a lot of unattractive people with families and partners and friends with benefits. They don't have sex because they are full of red flags.

Notice that I said "a lot", by the way. Of course being unattractive is not helping, especially when you are young, in your high school-university age. So yeah, there are some good people in this community and other communities of the manosphere that simply going through a bad time. But as I said, there are a lot of assholes and immature people.

 

[Mocha]

Not coping anymore, only this website. I also think im lowkey decent genetics just grew wrong, makes it harder. Im less tall than projected and i was giga goodlooking as a child, everyone trrated me nicely. Sucks.

Same, not height but face anyway. Still considered "good looking", somehow. I think people are just lying, or maybe it's because my hair frames my face making it look less long. Or maybe women just find anything tall with a full head of hair good looking because it makes up for the face. I don't know how attraction works, I've met people with objectively "poorly developed" faces that are stunning which goes against the laws of nature, but we're humans and nothing we do really aligns with nature anymore.

On my mother's side my Uncle's and aunt/mother were fantastic looking in their younger years and didn't age until their 60s, my mom still looks 30 something and she's almost 50. My Dad's side was full of attractive latin folk too. But something clearly went wrong with me because I barely resemble the amazing genetics I should've inherited. Without hair the length and narrowness of my jaw would be very clearly visible. Pretty sure I have a weak jaw from years of frugality and only eating cheap, soft, processed food like Doritos and hamburger helper and allergies that made me mouth breathe all night in my sleep + sleep deprivation (bad sleep quality and a general lack of sleep is a double whammy to development, just in general). There's other things that definitely contributed too but those are the three biggest factors I think. I'm not a virgin but I deserve to be one, I find myself hideous.

Notice that I said "a lot", by the way. Of course being unattractive is not helping, especially when you are young, in your high school-university age. So yeah, there are some good people in this community and other communities of the manosphere that simply going through a bad time. But as I said, there are a lot of assholes and immature people.

Their problem is they consider the life of the average man "oofy doofy", a term coined by YouTuber Rehab Room I believe. Despite being unattractive, or short, or whatever superficial thing it may be they want to be desired for their looks by hot young women while both of them are still young. The incels in forums such as incel.is find waiting until they're older, have an established career and having put in the necessary work to provide for a relationship with a woman pointless and cuck-ish. They also believe the woman will never truly be happy, may end up cheating behind their back, will end up gaining weight or just generally become less attractive, what have you.

Honestly I understand where they're coming from. Being forced into this world, into a body that women find inadequate for intimacy while young, and having to deal with the insatiable desire to emotionally connect with and mate with said women blows chunks. Eventually that breaks a man. No man just chooses to become an incel; y'know, it's involuntary. The personality traits we associate with those types of men develop AFTER they start believing the notion that "it's over".

 

[Nobody'sHero]

 

[Higurashi415]

One of the cofounders of SS did in fact also create incels.is. This is a known fact and not like a big secret or anything.

I'm literally a 31 year old kissless virgin incel male but I don't feel the need to make an incels.is account. I'm pretty sure if I signed up I'd get dogged on for being a 6ft tall fakecel and still being too incompetent to even get a single date.

I did try to sign up once a few years ago but I think I stopped because there was a rule saying you can't even make fictional female characters into your profile picture and that's pretty ridiculous to me. I don't hate women or anyone of the female gender for my circumstances anyway. I know they're my fault and that the world would probably be a better place for women and non incel men if all people like me were just dead so that's why I prefer being here anyway.

cause if you aint short it doesn't count? I didnt know that hahahahah

 

[whiskers]

I did try to sign up once a few years ago but I think I stopped because there was a rule saying you can't even make fictional female characters into your profile picture and that's pretty ridiculous to me.

I don't think they allow pictures of real women but i have seen users with anime girls in their pfps

 

[BeyondOver]

me

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

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I just want to say, I think you're a great guy with a good heart, and I understand your predicament. But if your understanding is incomplete, I can tell you from experience that it is extremely important to pay attention and be willing to reconsider. That's why I am respectfully reaching out, even though I normally completely avoid this topic.

There is indeed some association with various forms of intolerance in fundamentalist Christianity. There can even be racism against Jews and/or Middle Easterners in some cases, despite this amounting to racism against Jesus himself! The literal definition of Christianity should be a 'follower of Christ', but instead it amounts to 'belonging to some Church'. And what a big difference that is...

With billions of people identifying as Christian, and endless disputes between the countless denominations, the word has little in the way of solid definition. Those billions include some openly gay people, regular people who are practically irreligious, independent spiritual seekers who disagree with organised religion and more. Thus, I don't think this is the best analogy for the topic in question.

To me, the situation is more akin to a struggling businessman adopting an identity of 'loser' because he thinks it's literally true, then joining an Icelandic website called loser.is to indulge in a pity party with others in the same position. The short-term benefit is a sense of validation, camaraderie and a semblance of community, but the price to pay is a virtual guarantee that nothing will improve as time marches relentlessly on.

Wouldn't it make more sense to hang out with successful businesspeople, network with them and learn how they tick? Or alternatively, seek some other pathway in life? What is the strange masochistic appeal of openly rejecting genuine solutions and making it into a whole identity?

In practice, labels and words mean different things to different people. Regarding the subject matter of this thread, if the term in question is interpreted literally, that potentially lumps together a vast group of people. For example, most late-teenagers in single-sex schools, people who live in isolated regions, the imprisoned, a huge number of older people, ageing widowers, people with various disabilities and many more.

If, in practice, it is a boys-only internet club which excludes women and then complains about a lack of women, what is the benefit aside from the aforementioned validation at the cost of improvement? Furthermore, the association with historical misogynistic murderers is very real in the mind of the general public. I might add that it is also a movement that makes many normal men feel ashamed to be men.

The phenomenon of unsuccessful men - unsuccessful in any number of areas - generally begins with a lack of quality male role models when growing up. The miserable cycle of ineffective effort, escapism, poor results and self-pity continues indefinitely until a firm decision is made to change, though be warned: it gets harder with time. And turning 35, 40 and 45 while being in the same position is NOT fun.

Are there good male role models for us? I've commented on this before and used Bruce Lee as an example. Aside from his tragic death, the incredible focus of his mind and powerful drive he displayed in all areas of his life makes him a paragon of tough, powerful yet ethical masculinity. And yes, he even found a partner. Of course, there are many other great men, though all will display these basic traits; tough as hell yet respectful towards others. Note that these qualities are the extreme opposite of the weak, entitled, whiny aggression of the Icelandic victimhood cult.

How to apply this role model stuff in practice? If the question is genuinely engaging, a great shift has already begun. But if the compulsion is to argue back to keep the toxic old ego identification intact, then you'll have to learn what I am speaking about the hard way.

Finally, you mention that the situation is your fault. This, wisely, implies that there is such a thing as choice. Then, in turn, the situation is by definition no longer involuntary. The whole identification mercifully breaks down at that point.

Or, if the term is being used as a slur against lonely, single men for self-flagellation purposes, please consider the collateral damage to women living with fear of violence or predation by radicalised lunatics, or for that matter, decent men who may be struggling in life, but are at least fighting hard to be the best version of themselves. I personally don't think this term has a place in our community for these reasons, hence why I do not use it.

If you want one-on-one guidance with this stuff, reach out. Changing our identifications after so many years is difficult and uncomfortable, but you can take my word: reaching an older age group having never been loved and never been true to oneself is a thousand times harder again.

Sorry. I meant to reply to this earlier but I got lazy. That's always the problem with me is that I get lazy. That's why I think I am probably beyond saving though I appreciate the olive branch. It doesn't matter much what I want. What matters is that I just don't have enough willpower or influence to get it.

Most of my friends are actually very successful in getting relationships and the ones who aren't actually refuse to call themselves incels even though they probably fall under the literal definition of the label too. Like I said I don't feel compelled in the slightest to join the losers.is forum because I'm just an even bigger loser anyway. I don't feel any community or camaraderie with the other incels beyond mild sympathy but truthfully I feel like it would be better for the world if all of us just killed ourselves and stopped burdening all the innocent men and women out there. I know that's not what most of the other Incels want so I guess that should just be their choice.

My own father who should have been my male role model actually already idolized Bruce Lee. Lot of good that did. I've never seen any of his movies so I can't comment much on the guy himself but I never felt much of a need for a male role model anyway even if maybe I do actually need one. I did used to look up to some Smash players and YouTubers but they always end up canceled whether legitimately or not and at this point I've just become numb to the concept entirely.

I should clarify that what I feel is nothing close to self-pity. It's self loathing. Why should I pity the worst influence on my negative outcomes? Why does the one person who's caused me the most pain deserve any of my respect? Who cares that this person is me? I sure don't. The only mutual goal we have is getting a girlfriend. All of the times I've come close were the only situations where I even came close to feeling a single shred of self love and self worth so that's how I know that there's literally no other force on earth that can help me achieve self esteem. I know it sounds stupid and it is but unfortunately that's just the way it has to be.

Sorry if this response disappoints. I do appreciate that you took the time to respond to me I just wish I could return that level of respect.

 

[ratioinsanity]

I was a user there, awful place, got insta banned because I didn't hate women or was a misogyny, smh

blackpill is true, nobody's denying that, let's be real though, hating on a girl just because she would choose a better looking man(obviously) over an incel is crazy, because most men, would do that as well xdxd

 

[whiskers]

I don't fail to realize that. And my point still stands. The origin of the word doesn't matter, incel is used exclusively to talk about that specific subculture.

Alright, then I'm not an incel. I'm an involuntary celibate.
Since apparently you think those two are different

 

[Rymrgand]

Alright, then I'm not an incel. I'm an involuntary celibate.
Since apparently you think those two are different

No, you aren't. Celibacy is, by definition, voluntary. Involuntary celibate aka incel is a term exclusively used to talk about the members of that subculture.

If you belong to that subculture, then yes, you are an incel. But if you don't belong to that subculture, and instead you say you are because you don't usually have relationships, then you are not an incel.

There are a lot of people who don't have relationships, like me. Maybe it's because they have some kind of trauma or big physical or mental illness. Maybe because they never had the chance of socializing and making friends. Maybe they are really busy. Maybe they were simply uninterested in dating or looking for someone (maybe a bit asexual) and they were kinda unlucky, so they never found someone who would be a good partner.

Or, like you, they are just really young. You are 18, right? It's normal to be a virgin at your age. It's not a big deal. Many people your age are virgins, and I would say that most of them are unpopular, even if they had a girlfriend or sex with someone before, and not all of them are incels. I'm pretty sure a few of your friends/classmates/whatever are lying about the quantity and/or quality of their sexual lives, so don't worry too much.

If you are conventionally unattractive at your age, I admit it will be harder for you, since teenagers are really horny and stupid and often care more about appearances than having a good sexual/romantic partner. But that doesn't mean you can't "attract a woman" (or a man, or an enby, I guess) or that you are an incel.

 

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i spent ten minutes reading threads and there were people saying that there needs to be a genocide and all women have to be killed and that they r planning a revolution to rape and kill all women....they were celebrating that one mass shooter...

im so disturbed. more motivation to ctb in a rotten world like that.

 

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There are a lot of people who don't have relationships, like me. Maybe it's because they have some kind of trauma or big physical or mental illness. Maybe because they never had the chance of socializing and making friends. Maybe they are really busy. Maybe they were simply uninterested in dating or looking for someone (maybe a bit asexual) and they were kinda unlucky, so they never found someone who would be a good partner.

All of these things you're describing are clearly involuntary though.