Do you think Jesus would forgive me ?

[Spit On My Grave]

I am not completely sure if S is a sin.
Hell is worse than earth and no one wants to be in that place.

 

[Phobia_DLW]

I am not religious.

Does seeking forgiveness, imply you are doing something wrong? Do you think you are doing something wrong?

And what about forgiving yourself? (For CTB or anything else)

 

[Spit On My Grave]

I am not religious.

Does seeking forgiveness, imply you are doing something wrong? Do you think you are doing something wrong?

And what about forgiving yourself? (For CTB or anything else)

Jesus Christ brings light to those in darkness

 

[BrokenByTheSystem]

Yes, if he's that powerful as people say he probably has the power of empathy too, to understand your reasons and why you did what you did.

I'm not religious but that's the logic inside the religion I can come up with.

 

[franos666]

It depends on your beliefs. Personally I don't believe that hell exists at all. If you worry about the afterlife maybe ask yourself: what reason do you even have to believe that it exist in first place?

 

[cursedlife]

Jesus isn't the Messiah because he didn't fulfill a single messianic prophecy and he definitely isn't god and has zero influence on the world right now

 

[Lostforgood]

Jesus Christ brings light to those in darkness

I wish He brought me light too because I'm in true darkness

 

[lpdsvm]

I can't say for sure since no one knows but maybe yes if you can forgive yourself. If you can't then he might not either. It could be hard to do. If I tried to be honest and perfect I would have CTBed much earlier so I must forgive myself.

 

[Heraskov]

I'm no knowledgeable saint, but I'm inclined to think so. His mercy is something that not even all of our collective minds can rationally explain, as the power that's in divine grace is not something that our mortal egos can see much sense in, and yet it is presented to us by Him anyway because of the sheer love that He has for us. He is all-knowing and all-merciful. He knows more well than we do the absolute pains that the troubles of this life cause us, and He loves us dearly, sharing our intention to have us brought to eternal peace.

As such, if you are troubled by this question, then I would suggest reminding yourself of Christ's intention for the world. He loves you. His compassion and mercy are literally infinite, and with His essence transcending beyond the material world, there is no linear path that dictates how far that love may go. So, would He forgive you even after you've chosen to exit mortality? It's nothing I can really dictate, but I certainly think that the forgiveness of an all-loving Lord would be able to extend that far. Have trust in our God. "God is love" like Saint John the Theologian wrote. God is every aspect we know and don't of love, perfected.

 

[ZwartHartje]

I'm not a Christian at all but I do know that suicide is considered one of the gravest sins in Christianity, much graver than murder, because your life is considered God's gift to you personally. On the other hand, the Christian faith always emphasizes the importance of forgiveness.

Myself I don't believe in undeserved forgiveness.
But what makes forgiveness deserved then?
I think there's a very simple, intuitive rule for it: forgiveness needs to be desired in order to be deserved - desired by the person to be forgiven.
They have to ask for it, to beg for it, but most importantly do it sincerely.
If they really wish to be forgiven they'll do that.
If someone begs your forgiveness it's still up to you whether or not to grant it, of course.
But I think if Christ is so much about forgiveness then he'll probably forgive you if you ask him. He'll also know that there were reasons why you wanted to die.

I once heard an NDE account by a woman who had attempted, and she saw Jesus in her NDE, and he told her that he was very sad that her life had been so painful for her that she wanted to die, he didn't hold it against her at all. I hope this may help.

 

[Spit On My Grave]

I want an answer from a preacher or Christian

 

[COP2CON]

Jesus' death on the cross covered all of your sins from the moment you were born until your last breath on earth as long as you have accepted Him into your heart and given yourself wholly over to Him. Even the best Christians slip or do bad things and His sacrifice on the cross covers all of it. As long as you are repentant and saved, you are forgiven. If in doubt, speak to Him and say whatever you want. Read His and Gods word and see if you feel anything. Just rememberto be still and listen as the Bible says. The consensus is it is a sin but not an unforgivable one. I'm in prison for murder and all the teachings say even I'm forgiven. Once again, Jesus' blood cleansed all your sins from you as long as you've accepted him as your Lord and Saviour, even the ones that haven't happened yet.

Note to all, I don't need any crap about being a Christian. I believe what I believe because it feels right and don't try to put it on others or argue other peoples beliefs. Please be respectful as this person is looking for answers related to their beliefs, not looking to be put down or talked out of them.

 

[Sardenain]

The Catholic stance to suicide according to their Catechism of the Catholic Church is the following:

"
If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. the Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
"

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

How ecumenically you take this view depends on you but here is one Christian authority expressing their view on suicide and judgement.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

No one can answer that.

God forgave Paul dispite blood on his hands...

Then again he changed and did good.

But NO ONE CAN ANSWER THIS.

I have the same question too....

Will i be let into heaven if i kill myself....

Edit: Changed Matthew to Paul >_<

 

[Ashu]

I am not completely sure if S is a sin.
Hell is worse than earth and no one wants to be in that place.

Well he evidently didn't consider suicide to be a serious enough problem to say anything about it. What he did say was the Sermon on the Mount, and the man who said that has nothing in common with the ignorant, brutal people who condemn suicide in his name.

You might consider, too, how you think you know that hell is such a terrible place. Almost nothing is said about it in the Bible, which again suggests that it was not a matter that seemed terribly important to its authors, including Jesus. The popular image of the Christian hell is based on fantasies found in non-biblical literature.

 

[gardenoflonely]

I am no longer a Christian, but I was raised that way birth - 14/15 so this is my interpretation with that in mind:
I do genuinely believe that suicide is not a sin (obviously outside of like crimes being involved or similar cases)

I've read the Bible cover to cover growing up. Unfortunately I cannot find my childhood Bible despite my searching for it everywhere solely for this post. I'd rather be able to quote it directly using a physical Bible as that's what I am more accustomed to, but I will be using a Bible website instead. I believe the translations are a bit more simplified than what I grew up on, but the main points are still the same. Also sorry in advance if any verses are quoted slightly off chapter-wise or if my terminology is wrong, it has been years since I've interacted with content like this. With all of that in mind, these are the verses that come to mind in defense of my POV and your post:

1 Kings 19:4
"Elijah was afraid and ran for his life. When he came to Beersheba in Judah, he left his servant there, while he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness. He came to a broom bush, sat down under it and prayed that he might die. "I have had enough, Lord," he said. "Take my life; I am no better than my ancestors."
Then he lay down under the bush and fell asleep.

All at once an angel touched him and said, "Get up and eat." He looked around, and there by his head was some bread baked over hot coals, and a jar of water. He ate and drank and then lay down again.

The angel of the Lord came back a second time and touched him and said, "Get up and eat, for the journey is too much for you." So he got up and ate and drank. Strengthened by that food, he traveled forty days and forty nights until he reached Horeb, the mountain of God. There he went into a cave and spent the night."

In this verse, Elijah gives up but is not punished at all. In fact, he is even rewarded with food despite explicitly expressing the desire to die. No where in this passage do I get the impression that being suicidal is sinful. Sometimes life's challenges are too much and the Lord recognizes this, not scolds or punishes us for it.

Matthew 11:28-30
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Despite no longer feeling religious, this verse specifically still sticks with me. I grew up with the ideology that we were shaped in God's image but there are just so many ways that I think man just is not and cannot be like God. When we ask questions like the one in your post, we are assuming that God would be judgmental of our struggles at all. I see absolutely nothing that is in defense of that. God is more humble and understanding than those we may come across in life. Coming to the Lord, whether by ctb or natural causes, is described as a peaceful rest regardless. This verse specifically starts off about a struggle as the reason of death (weary and burdened) but isn't seen in a negative light at all.

I'm sure there are more passages/scriptures/verses (not sure the word?) about the subject of ctb in the Bible, but this is all that comes to mind given that it's been a decade or so. It's my understanding that struggling is not seen as shameful. It happens to many people throughout the Bible and each time it seems that the Lord is understanding - no threats or mentions of hell for bringing up suicide to Him. This isn't meant to say that it's encouraging it at all. We are given our own free will. We are allowed to make our own choices regarding life and while neither I nor the Bible encourage the act of suicide directly it certainly doesn't lead me to believe that feeling this way is burdensome on the Lord or condemned in any way. It is not your fault that something was too hard. There are just some struggles in life that many would rather die from than continue on in. Whatever we choose in life, we are not a burden either way. There is a lot more forgiveness to be given than we think.

 

[Spit On My Grave]

I am no longer a Christian, but I was raised that way birth - 14/15 so this is my interpretation with that in mind:
I do genuinely believe that suicide is not a sin (obviously outside of like crimes being involved or similar cases)

I've read the Bible cover to cover growing up. Unfortunately I cannot find my childhood Bible despite my searching for it everywhere solely for this post. I'd rather be able to quote it directly using a physical Bible as that's what I am more accustomed to, but I will be using a Bible website instead. I believe the translations are a bit more simplified than what I grew up on, but the main points are still the same. Also sorry in advance if any verses are quoted slightly off chapter-wise or if my terminology is wrong, it has been years since I've interacted with content like this. With all of that in mind, these are the verses that come to mind in defense of my POV and your post:

1 Kings 19:4
"Elijah was afraid and ran for his life. When he came to Beersheba in Judah, he left his servant there, while he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness. He came to a broom bush, sat down under it and prayed that he might die. "I have had enough, Lord," he said. "Take my life; I am no better than my ancestors."
Then he lay down under the bush and fell asleep.

All at once an angel touched him and said, "Get up and eat." He looked around, and there by his head was some bread baked over hot coals, and a jar of water. He ate and drank and then lay down again.

The angel of the Lord came back a second time and touched him and said, "Get up and eat, for the journey is too much for you." So he got up and ate and drank. Strengthened by that food, he traveled forty days and forty nights until he reached Horeb, the mountain of God. There he went into a cave and spent the night."

In this verse, Elijah gives up but is not punished at all. In fact, he is even rewarded with food despite explicitly expressing the desire to die. No where in this passage do I get the impression that being suicidal is sinful. Sometimes life's challenges are too much and the Lord recognizes this, not scolds or punishes us for it.

Matthew 11:28-30
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Despite no longer feeling religious, this verse specifically still sticks with me. I grew up with the ideology that we were shaped in God's image but there are just so many ways that I think man just is not and cannot be like God. When we ask questions like the one in your post, we are assuming that God would be judgmental of our struggles at all. I see absolutely nothing that is in defense of that. God is more humble and understanding than those we may come across in life. Coming to the Lord, whether by ctb or natural causes, is described as a peaceful rest regardless. This verse specifically starts off about a struggle as the reason of death (weary and burdened) but isn't seen in a negative light at all.

I'm sure there are more passages/scriptures/verses (not sure the word?) about the subject of ctb in the Bible, but this is all that comes to mind given that it's been a decade or so. It's my understanding that struggling is not seen as shameful. It happens to many people throughout the Bible and each time it seems that the Lord is understanding - no threats or mentions of hell for bringing up suicide to Him. This isn't meant to say that it's encouraging it at all. We are given our own free will. We are allowed to make our own choices regarding life and while neither I nor the Bible encourage the act of suicide directly it certainly doesn't lead me to believe that feeling this way is burdensome on the Lord or condemned in any way. It is not your fault that something was too hard. There are just some struggles in life that many would rather die from than continue on in. Whatever we choose in life, we are not a burden either way. There is a lot more forgiveness to be given than we think.

Why are you no longer Christian? Can you open up a little bit ?

 

[sera]

i no longer believe in hell but grew up deeply religious. i had a someone close pass from ctb, and my mom always said she thought that they were in heaven because they were deeply in pain and simply couldn't continue anymore. thats always given me comfort since she's very religious yet still believes jesus forgave them and welcomed them on the other side

 

[amy joyce]

I want an answer from a preacher or Christian

I am Christian. When you ask if Jesus would forgive you are you referring to ctb?

If so, then yes I believe you would be forgiven. I believe we would all be forgiven. Unfortunately I'm more concerned about the people I'd leave behind and would be miserable.

Regardless of what anyone else has ever told me, I don't believe the desire for death or the act of suicide is normal, and that we who even consider it are mentally ill in some way. That is understood by God completely. It wouldn't do to analyze every possible way we are ill, but perhaps just enough regarding yourself will help you be reassured. Jesus loves you very much and He understands us more than we do ourselves. He's walked the Earth and suffered as man has suffered.

My faith sort of comes and goes depending on a couple of factors, like my time of month and who I might negatively interact with on the subject.

My son died by suicide August of last year and I went on a quest to discover if he was accepted into heaven. I didn't just want a few people I loved to tell me "yes", despite loving and believing them. The consensus, even by Catholic priests and evangelical ministers, is that the act itself won't keep us from heaven or our Lord's everlasting love and forgiveness...... The part I had issue with was whether or not my son would be accepted into heaven was because he was agnostic or atheist (depending on the day). He was baptized a Catholic at birth and they believe more that works as opposed to faith determines our way to Glory. Christian's are a different breed though and I've since researched the gospels quite diligently on my own. It brought me comfort as did my firm belief (like Catholics) that God is all loving, all powerful and knows the purity of our hearts. After reading John chapters 14 and 16 (especially 16), it occurred to me that choosing Jesus in the Spirit in death is just as meaningful as it does during life. I believe my son's Spirit sought out the Holy Spirit and knelt in front of him, repented with full remorse for his Earthly sins and requested being part of his flock after life. There's no other way for me to go about it and not lose my mind or take my own life in an attempt to reassure my beliefs.

 

[wine is fine but]

I am not completely sure if S is a sin.
Hell is worse than earth and no one wants to be in that place.

no one can answer that for you
we all have our beliefs about whether we may be forgiven or not, but it is not our soul on the line if we give you the wrong advice
it is something you need to decide for yourself, and weigh up the pros and cons, because you are the one who may be paying the price if you take your own life. not those who gave you advice :)

 

[gardenoflonely]

Why are you no longer Christian? Can you open up a little bit ?

Christianity is very "all-or-nothing" and many of my views on life as I've gotten older have become too abstract to still be considered Christian views. I agree with the ideals of many different religions, and some ideals that belong to no religion at all. For example just in Christianity I still believe in much of the Bible and our spirituality, but I've strayed away from the Church and some of it's core driving points. A lot of what was taught growing up was about sin and Hell. So many sermons were just about this. I don't know if I believe in Hell anymore. Nothing happened I just changed my mind one day around 15. I see that whoever our creator is, I believe is way more forgiving than an eternal punishment for a handful of earthly mistakes. Mistakes that are impossible to avoid, btw, because we are quite literally destined to sin. That's why I don't worry about it too much. Can't really fear God like I am supposed to knowing this. But I also can't believe in a God that would abandon His people to suffer like this. Unless He just doesn't know we're suffering this way, idk, I mean we really don't know how time and space truly work in-between life and death but I could go back and forth forever lol.

Basically I just don't believe in Christianity fully anymore, I believe in parts of every religion and some agnostic/atheist beliefs make sense to me too. I understand how some can follow monotheistic beliefs, it's just in my experience I find it hard to believe that one religion is just correct and all other views have to be wrong.

 

[h i]

Hello brother in Christ, the instant verse that came to mind for me was James 4:17.

"If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them."

Lets follow commands in the bible, one by one:

2 Corinthians 13:5.

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?"

Lets do a self-examination with a couple of questions. We need to examine your innermost genuine convictions.

what do you genuinely feel about doing it?

what do you feel about others who do it, what do you feel about what happens to any acquaintances of these people?

what do you feel about that your departure would likely have a similar impression in atleast 1 person on this earth, is that okay with you?

what do you feel about the call all of us have to endure and persevere?

what do you feel about the bible promising the crown of life (salvation) to those who endure and persevere?

James 1:12

Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Hebrews 10:36

For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.

do you truly believe YOU doing S would be following the will of God for you and your life?

what do you feel is the good youre ought to do? live or die?
James 4:17.

"If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them."

ultimately thats what will make it a sin, and here is what the bible says about DELIBERATE sins:
Hebrews 10:26-27:

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment..."

your conviction is your conviction, and your conscience is there to hold you accountible, which course of action is the one that you know is being obedient to God, and which is the one that you know is sinful and disobedient?

if you die by disobedience, how do you think it differs from someone who dies by obedience?

John 15

9 "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.

what is remaning in Gods love to you? how does the idea that you stick around to lay down your life until you can save someone elses life doing so sound?

 

[SASU-KE]

Yes,if you stop talking like Mike Tython.

In all seriousness, though. I think you will be all right.

 

[Mrs. T-800]

Peace be with you.

For what it's worth I teach Sunday school. I am a Catholic so the answer will be from that perspective.

Suicide is a grave sin. Yes indeed. We cannot deny that. It is a direct violation of the commandment thou shalt not kill as any type of murder (or harm, by extension) is impermissible under the doctrine; this includes to the self.
There exists two types of sin, though: mortal and venial. Venial sins wound our relationship with God, but mortal sins sever it. You are not in the state of grace when you commit a mortal sin. But to get there, mortal sin has three requirements. Mortal sin = grave matter + full knowledge + deliberate consent; in other words, it must be serious, and it must be done fully willingly and knowingly. That's where the question comes in. Obviously suicide is grave, and it is done mostly with full knowledge (unless, like, accidental), but the question of consent comes into play when there's mental illness or extrem circumstance; how deliberate can it be, some ask, when you feel so down and out? It's not my call to make. God is good and merciful and the proper judge. So I won't say more. I'm only a follower of the faith.
That said, the only "unforgivable" sin is named as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And that said, God always forgives, provided we are genuinely sorry and resolved to amend the wrong(s) done and within our souls and hearts. As I said, He is the only one who can ever make a fair judgment, and He knows all – including fairness to the degree we cannot ever imagine. I know He will weigh every factor when we go before Him. He is good and merciful and you are always, no matter what, His beloved creation and child, made in His image.
Do I think you'd be forgiven? Yes.
Do I know? No. I am not God. But it is not for me to know anyway.

You can read more some of what I recommend below. (Of course, the ultimate source is the Catechism, as well as the Bible (duh) and any papal documents)

Sin:

• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/mortal-and-venial-sin
• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-do-i-know-if-its-a-mortal-sin

Suicide:

• https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-happens-to-people-who-commit-suicide
• https://www.catholic.com/qa/i-have-...-that-anyone-who-commits-suicide-goes-to-hell
• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-the-church-really-teaches-about-suicide

I also recommend to watch Ascension Presents/Father Mike Schmitz – he gives great answers and is such a bright, lovely, charitable, scholarly soul. He is a priest who truly lives out his mission and I can see he takes great care and consideration about this topic.

I won't add too much more, as I want only to answer your question and allow you the mental space to freely ask without the imposition of being told to think positive. I know it's exhausting. But I do believe – despite being here of all places! – that life is meaningful and precious. We are made for and by God Himself after all; He was lonely in existence and made us. (That is so wonderful.) We are so beloved by Him and He is wholly (holy! hah!) good and pure and just.
Anyway... it's sad to see everyone here, naturally. I wish we can all live long, loving, light lives. It's difficult, but it's something from His Hand directly. I hope you can live fully and remain using His gift of life for its whole duration until the natural conclusion.

Again, peace be with you, I hope this is a helpful response.

I am Christian. When you ask if Jesus would forgive you are you referring to ctb?

If so, then yes I believe you would be forgiven. I believe we would all be forgiven. Unfortunately I'm more concerned about the people I'd leave behind and would be miserable.

Regardless of what anyone else has ever told me, I don't believe the desire for death or the act of suicide is normal, and that we who even consider it are mentally ill in some way. That is understood by God completely. It wouldn't do to analyze every possible way we are ill, but perhaps just enough regarding yourself will help you be reassured. Jesus loves you very much and He understands us more than we do ourselves. He's walked the Earth and suffered as man has suffered.

My faith sort of comes and goes depending on a couple of factors, like my time of month and who I might negatively interact with on the subject.

My son died by suicide August of last year and I went on a quest to discover if he was accepted into heaven. I didn't just want a few people I loved to tell me "yes", despite loving and believing them. The consensus, even by Catholic priests and evangelical ministers, is that the act itself won't keep us from heaven or our Lord's everlasting love and forgiveness...... The part I had issue with was whether or not my son would be accepted into heaven was because he was agnostic or atheist (depending on the day). He was baptized a Catholic at birth and they believe more that works as opposed to faith determines our way to Glory. Christian's are a different breed though and I've since researched the gospels quite diligently on my own. It brought me comfort as did my firm belief (like Catholics) that God is all loving, all powerful and knows the purity of our hearts. After reading John chapters 14 and 16 (especially 16), it occurred to me that choosing Jesus in the Spirit in death is just as meaningful as it does during life. I believe my son's Spirit sought out the Holy Spirit and knelt in front of him, repented with full remorse for his Earthly sins and requested being part of his flock after life. There's no other way for me to go about it and not lose my mind or take my own life in an attempt to reassure my beliefs.

This is a beautiful, charitable take on the question. I really admire your diligence and thoroughness as well as your kind heart. The Lord is fair in His judgment and infinite in His love and surely your cherished son experienced such firsthand. My heart is with you!

 

[SoLowHollow48]

Peace be with you.

For what it's worth I teach Sunday school. I am a Catholic so the answer will be from that perspective.

Suicide is a grave sin. Yes indeed. We cannot deny that. It is a direct violation of the commandment thou shalt not kill as any type of murder (or harm, by extension) is impermissible under the doctrine; this includes to the self.
There exists two types of sin, though: mortal and venial. Venial sins wound our relationship with God, but mortal sins sever it. You are not in the state of grace when you commit a mortal sin. But to get there, mortal sin has three requirements. Mortal sin = grave matter + full knowledge + deliberate consent; in other words, it must be serious, and it must be done fully willingly and knowingly. That's where the question comes in. Obviously suicide is grave, and it is done mostly with full knowledge (unless, like, accidental), but the question of consent comes into play when there's mental illness or extrem circumstance; how deliberate can it be, some ask, when you feel so down and out? It's not my call to make. God is good and merciful and the proper judge. So I won't say more. I'm only a follower of the faith.
That said, the only "unforgivable" sin is named as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And that said, God always forgives, provided we are genuinely sorry and resolved to amend the wrong(s) done and within our souls and hearts. As I said, He is the only one who can ever make a fair judgment, and He knows all – including fairness to the degree we cannot ever imagine. I know He will weigh every factor when we go before Him. He is good and merciful and you are always, no matter what, His beloved creation and child, made in His image.
Do I think you'd be forgiven? Yes.
Do I know? No. I am not God. But it is not for me to know anyway.

You can read more some of what I recommend below. (Of course, the ultimate source is the Catechism, as well as the Bible (duh) and any papal documents)

Sin:

• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/mortal-and-venial-sin
• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-do-i-know-if-its-a-mortal-sin

Suicide:

• https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-happens-to-people-who-commit-suicide
• https://www.catholic.com/qa/i-have-...-that-anyone-who-commits-suicide-goes-to-hell
• https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-the-church-really-teaches-about-suicide

I also recommend to watch Ascension Presents/Father Mike Schmitz – he gives great answers and is such a bright, lovely, charitable, scholarly soul. He is a priest who truly lives out his mission and I can see he takes great care and consideration about this topic.

I won't add too much more, as I want only to answer your question and allow you the mental space to freely ask without the imposition of being told to think positive. I know it's exhausting. But I do believe – despite being here of all places! – that life is meaningful and precious. We are made for and by God Himself after all; He was lonely in existence and made us. (That is so wonderful.) We are so beloved by Him and He is wholly (holy! hah!) good and pure and just.
Anyway... it's sad to see everyone here, naturally. I wish we can all live long, loving, light lives. It's difficult, but it's something from His Hand directly. I hope you can live fully and remain using His gift of life for its whole duration until the natural conclusion.

Again, peace be with you, I hope this is a helpful response.

This is a beautiful, charitable take on the question. I really admire your diligence and thoroughness as well as your kind heart. The Lord is fair in His judgment and infinite in His love and surely your cherished son experienced such firsthand. My heart is with you!

That's the age old question regarding the role of mental illness in suicide. I read this entire thread and I love those who have chosen to preach of God's mercy for our friends and loved ones who couldn't save themselves. But this is the statement that truly made me want to leave a comment.

If a mentally ill person is not completely aware of what they're doing, doesn't that mean that we're implying their inability to think for themselves and therefore, we are patronizing them?

Truly, I've always had trouble understanding mentally ill people because of this alone. Am I bad for letting them? Or am I bad for not letting them because I feel that they're "not in their right mind"?

 

[Mrs. T-800]

That's the age old question regarding the role of mental illness in suicide. I read this entire thread and I love those who have chosen to preach of God's mercy for our friends and loved ones who couldn't save themselves. But this is the statement that truly made me want to leave a comment.

If a mentally ill person is not completely aware of what they're doing, doesn't that mean that we're implying their inability to think for themselves and therefore, we are patronizing them?

Truly, I've always had trouble understanding mentally ill people because of this alone. Am I bad for letting them? Or am I bad for not letting them because I feel that they're "not in their right mind"?

Peace be with you too. I share your admiration for those who were a beacon of light here.

I'm not a priest, nor a psychologist, so I can't answer this in complete fairness and totality. I can only give you my opinion.

I myself don't consider it patronizing. I think, in evaluating this, the question is less, are they able to think for themselves?, and more, to what degree might the circumstances surrounding them that might be influencing their thinking? – that's why practices such as involuntary commitment exist. "You're too great of a threat right now, and you aren't able to prioritize safety in this state." It comes from a place of concern.
And it's not just mental illness: anger, revenge, etc. can have the same effect. Even an overload of happiness. "I'm on such a cloud nine, nothing can harm me! I'm on top of the world!" That can cause poor trains of thought as well. Nobody is invincible or untouchable.
It also depends on factors such as whether they have therapy and medication, a support system, is this habitual, are they aware of their state, etc. Nothing exists in isolation of course. And there is always a level of culpability to intentional suicide because it is a self-done action and it takes a series of decisions.

I think the charitable thing to do is always to simply listen and empathize but I am for life (aside from my own, but that's not the point; just letting you know my stance for transparency) and as such I will always opt to talk people into living and trying to see, be, and do good, even the least amount. Life is a precious gift. We should to live for others and for God in addition to ourselves, even in extrem circumstances. We are called to be stewards of one another and the act of love is to keep them alive.
Suicidality is desperation and a definite struggle. The Church recognizes this. Nonetheless it is for life always. I approach the same.

Is it a fair response?, or what you're looking for?, anyway, I hope it's insightful.

 

[SoLowHollow48]

I myself don't consider it patronizing. I think, in evaluating this, the question is less, are they able to think for themselves?, and more, to what degree might the circumstances surrounding them that might be influencing their thinking? – that's why practices such as involuntary commitment exist. "You're too great of a threat right now, and you aren't able to prioritize safety in this state." It comes from a place of concern.

Yeah this was my exact thought process but I couldn't put it into words at the time. There was a post highlighting this exact issue.

A person has a partner who is suicidal and this partner is recovering but still stores some SN with them for some unknown reason (I'd like to think that it's a sort of trophy where the person keeps the thing that they could've used to kill themselves with but they never did because they've recovered). This person wanted to dispose of the SN because they are very concerned of their partner's well-being and do not want them to die. They were asking us all if it's categorized as manipulation to stop the partner from killing themselves (an act that is supposed to be very personal and individual for their partner).

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm not exactly religious but I'm also not a full-blown atheist. I was raised Catholic but I haven't prayed or gone to the church in a long time.

I'm glad that you took your time to dissect whether suicide is a sin and how it can be perceived as a mortal sin or a sin that remains redeemable by God.

I sure hope that my ex went to heaven and stayed there. If it exists. Or at least purgatory. Somewhere where the fire doesn't burn as hot and as brightly.

 

[isthisit?]

God is all forgiving and god is all righteous. A lot of people (especially liberal christians) forget that part. I do not think that you will go to heaven, because you have turned away from god and gods gift of life. If you believe in jesus, then you shouldnt turn yourself away from him, which is what you will do when you ctb.
In my honest opinion