Do some people really expect their parents to tell them "i understand kid, ok kill yourself"

[Gevatsu]

Everyone here is smart and are wonderful people. It's nice to see how everyone thinks of one's opinion, since mine aren't really that smart. Whenever I read the replies, I think to myself, "why didn't I think about that?" This isn't meant to be anything bad but it's something I realized not too long ago. Everyone's opinion matters.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

This may be true but the way you went about it was wrong. The wording of passive aggressive questions like "Does anybody REALLY expect....." are always a callout. You could have talked to him in the thread he posted rather than put him on blast in such a way. HOW you say things matters. That message seems to be lost on a lot of people anymore. If someone is clearly suffering a public post calling them out is not the right move and anyone could have predicted it would just make him feel worse. It was just not needed.

Again, i'm responsible for what i say, not for your own interpretation.

Nothing passive agressive in making a whole paragraph about how i'm an antinatalist, always side with children, and not placing an ounce of blame anywhere in my text, but going at it from a purely pragmatical point of view : That it's an absurd endeavour, that causes only frustration, suffering and pain, and is bound to fail.

I can't reply to one person when my message is not directed only to a specific person.

I won't reply to your unfounded accusations anymore, believe what you want.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Everyone here is smart and are wonderful people. It's nice to see how everyone thinks of one's opinion, since mine aren't really that smart. Whenever I read the replies, I think to myself, "why didn't I think about that?" This isn't meant to be anything bad but it's something I realized not too long ago. Everyone's opinion matters.

It's not about being smart, i'm sure you are smarter than you think you are. I have personal experience of this 6 years ago, and whenever i did it, i felt worse, i felt trapped, i felt like my choice to CTB was taken away. So i want to help other avoid this kind of needless suffering.

 

[Gevatsu]

It's not about being smart, i'm sure you are smarter than you think you are. I have personal experience of this 6 years ago, and whenever i did it, i felt worse, i felt trapped, i felt like my choice to CTB was taken away. So i want to help other avoid this kind of needless suffering.

I doubt myself a never give myself credit for anything. I feel like I don't deserve anything honestly, which is true. I haven't done anything great to deserve any credit or whatever. The feeling of not being allowed to CTB made me really angry and upset. I never get angry. I was genuinely pissed. Thank you for this.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

I doubt myself a never give myself credit for anything. I feel like I don't deserve anything honestly, which is true. I haven't done anything great to deserve any credit or whatever. The feeling of not being allowed to CTB made me really angry and upset. I never get angry. I was genuinely pissed. Thank you for this.

Nobody deserves credit for anything, nobody is better than you. Why do other people deserve credits ? For building this world full of injustices, inequality, poverty and suffering, people who constantly judge other because of their looks, respect the good-looking and despise the bad-looking ? people who procreate and imposes suffering on people like us, thinking only of themselves ? People who caused war and global warming and perpetuate a society based on superficiality, lookism, consumerism and egoism ? For me, if you just didn't have kids, you are actually better than 99% of people, don't be harsh on yourself.

 

[Deleted member 847]

Ok I give up. This place has become a giant cesspool of hypocritical nonsense like often happens in such forums but happened much faster in this one. This WAS a callout...and wrong. You can't avoid that with "interpretations". Tiburcio went mental and wished eternal suffering and pain on "people like me" in another discussion where I called his behavior hypocritical, but is now saying "calm down" like I am freaking out for disagreeing with your behavior. I am done with seeing selfish and hypocritical people with no empathy use places like this for their own needs but then expect others to live by a standard they will not. It happens every time...and is the death of every subreddit, chat, and forum on this topic as people try to normalize shit behavior and gain some control in their lives at the expense of others. I just hope you can avoid making more people feel worse and avoid giving them bad technical info as always seems to happen. All of this proves that just because people are suicidal it doesn't make them any less shitty and selfish than the normal folks quite often. Hoping its a maturity thing and none of you are adults because that would be extremely depressing. You won...the same way people win on other forums where they push out the rational and reasonable...enjoy.

This is against the rules, I'm reporting

 

[Gevatsu]

Ok I give up. This place has become a giant cesspool of hypocritical nonsense like often happens in such forums but happened much faster in this one. This WAS a callout...and wrong. You can't avoid that with "interpretations". Tiburcio went mental and wished eternal suffering and pain on "people like me" in another discussion where I called his behavior hypocritical, but is now saying "calm down" like I am freaking out for disagreeing with your behavior. I am done with seeing selfish and hypocritical people with no empathy use places like this for their own needs but then expect others to live by a standard they will not. It happens every time...and is the death of every subreddit, chat, and forum on this topic as people try to normalize shit behavior and gain some control in their lives at the expense of others. I just hope you can avoid making more people feel worse and avoid giving them bad technical info as always seems to happen. All of this proves that just because people are suicidal it doesn't make them any less shitty and selfish than the normal folks quite often. Hoping its a maturity thing and none of you are adults because that would be extremely depressing. You won...the same way people win on other forums where they push out the rational and reasonable...enjoy.

What you are doing isn't wrong. I'm glad that you have empathy, you are a good person. A lot of people don't have it. It's a gift. I don't believe it was needed here though. My opinion, which may not be a good one.

 

[Deleted member 847]

I do feel sorry for Gevatsu but sometimes cuddling and avoiding the problem with someone doesn't help, you need to be honest with him

 

[Gevatsu]

Nobody deserves credit for anything, nobody is better than you. Why do other people deserve credits ? For building this world full of injustices, inequality, poverty and suffering, people who constantly judge other because of their looks, respect the good-looking and despise the bad-looking ? people who procreate and imposes suffering on people like us, thinking only of themselves ? People who caused war and global warming and perpetuate a society based on superficiality, lookism, consumerism and egoism ? For me, if you just didn't have kids, you are actually better than 99% of people, don't be harsh on yourself.

I haven't done anything to support my family and I'm purposely failing myself. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Work for your credit..? That's how society works at least, in which were forced into. I hope no one in my family has kids, which will happen.

 

[Gevatsu]

I do feel sorry for Gevatsu but sometimes cuddling and avoiding the problem with someone doesn't help, you need to be honest with him

Facts, even if it makes them feel bad.

 

[itsallover]

Thank you for posting this. I have been telling my family for months that I wanna go. It's not a cry for help. I think it's pretty rational actually. My life is fucked up beyond repair because of my medical condition. There is nothing much chance I'll ever work or live a normal life again. It's partly their fault for not taking the proper steps when I was younger and begging for help. Their reply was mostly shut up and go to school. They still won't acknowledge their mistakes. Part of me wants to go as a way to go fuck themselves. I don't think anyone should have the right to bring someone into such a dangerous and disgusting world. It is a very selfish act considering that 18 they have the right to put them in the street. No motherfuckers you were two horny assholes and pregnancy was a consequence. If the kids can't care for themselves or make it in this world then you should work yourself to death till. Think next time your dick is hard or your pussy is wet.

 

[Gevatsu]

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Thank you for posting this. I have been telling my family for months that I wanna go. It's not a cry for help. I think it's pretty rational actually. My life is fucked up beyond repair because of my medical condition. There is nothing much chance I'll ever work or live a normal life again. It's partly their fault for not taking the proper steps when I was younger and begging for help. Their reply was mostly shut up and go to school. They still won't acknowledge their mistakes. Part of me wants to go as a way to go fuck themselves. I don't think anyone should have the right to bring someone into such a dangerous and disgusting world. It is a very selfish act considering that 18 they have the right to put them in the street. No motherfuckers you were two horny assholes and pregnancy was a consequence. If the kids can't care for themselves or make it in this world then you should work yourself to death till. Think next time your dick is hard or your pussy is wet.

I'm so sorry man.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

I haven't done anything to support my family and I'm purposely failing myself. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Work for your credit..? That's how society works at least, in which were forced into. I hope no one in my family has kids, which will happen.

Well i disagree with society assumptions and yardsticks. That's the thing. And i don't even think it's possible to "purposely fail oneself", everyone wants to be happy, nobody fail that purposely.

 

[Gevatsu]

Well i disagree with society assumptions and yardsticks. That's the thing. And i don't even think it's possible to "purposely fail oneself", everyone wants to be happy, nobody fail that purposely.

Why are you so smart? D:

 

[ge0rge]

Aurelia Brouwers is an interesting case of this, vis-a-vis depression, euthanasia, and parental support.

 

[Richard]

Parents are motivated by a selfish kind of love, ignorance, and arrogance of thinking 'they know better' because they been around longer than you have. Few old people are smart, but most of them are dumb... Just like everyone else. I'll never expect my parents to understand... They're simpletons. Believe everything they're told on the news, church, by the government... Yep, your typical zombie... Probably one reason why I was never interested in zombie films or TV shows like the "Walking Dead", because I know the zombie apocalypse is already here...

 

[Tiburcio]

Parents are motivated by a selfish kind of love, ignorance, and arrogance of thinking 'they know better' because they been around longer than you have. Few old people are smart, but most of them are dumb... Just like everyone else. I'll never expect my parents to understand... They're simpletons. Believe everything they're told on the news, church, by the government... Yep, your typical zombie... Probably one reason why I was never interested in zombie films or TV shows like the "Walking Dead", because I know the zombie apocalypse is already here...

I loved this reply.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Parents are motivated by a selfish kind of love, ignorance, and arrogance of thinking 'they know better' because they been around longer than you have. Few old people are smart, but most of them are dumb... Just like everyone else. I'll never expect my parents to understand... They're simpletons. Believe everything they're told on the news, church, by the government... Yep, your typical zombie... Probably one reason why I was never interested in zombie films or TV shows like the "Walking Dead", because I know the zombie apocalypse is already here...

Even if they understand, let's say they are part of the 0.001% most compassionate and understanding parents, feeew of them will go to the step of condoning their children suicide, there will always be a doubt in their mind "What if there is hope for my child, and i precipitate his suicide by condoning it"

 

[Imaginos]

Mine understand to a large extent, but enh. Not like it matters. Whether they "condoned" my suicide or not would make zero difference to me since, either way, I'd still be too much of a pussy to go through with it. The more important aspect to their understanding is that they don't, nor have they ever, pestered or prodded me about "fixing" my suicidal intentions. That's the true treasure right there. Their understanding beyond that would count for little else, aside from some symbolic sign of approval which amounts to nothing in the end.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Mine understand to a large extent, but enh. Not like it matters. Whether they "condoned" my suicide or not would make zero difference to me since, either way, I'd still be too much of a pussy to go through with it. The more important aspect to their understanding is that they don't, nor have they ever, pestered or prodded me about "fixing" my suicidal intentions. That's the true treasure right there. Their understanding beyond that would count for little else, aside from some symbolic sign of approval which amounts to nothing in the end.

Exactly, you understand me perfectly. That's why i made this post, never was it my intention to guiltrip anyone, but just to explain that : Causing yourself suffering FOR NO BENEFIT (even if you succeed) is an awful deal for you. A pyrrhic victory at best, senseless suffering at worst.

 

[FadedMemory]

I know that most parents who love their kids obviously don't wanna lose them and dread their childrens' attempts but wasyelling and slapping as a punishment really necessary?(happened to me, like that made me feel so much better...NOT)

 

[RoloTomasi]

It would be nice though, if family or a close friend can be confided in with this, just an impossible fantasy.

 

[killmepls]

In my case my parents have been purposefully driving me to suicide and would be quite content with it. The only reason they don't want me to die is so I can suffer. I hope they don't find out I ctb I don't want to give them the satisfaction, let them think I am off happy somewhere healed from their abuse.

 

[Morning Angel]

I wish some parents on here would respond. I'm genuinely quite curious as to what they'd think if their kids ended their lives...

 

[skitliv]

I wish some parents on here would respond. I'm genuinely curious what they'd think if their kids chose to end their lives.

If theyre here I doubt they can respond to something like that, since they probably want to leave too.
What I mean is I don't think parents on this site are a good representative example of such a question, or maybe thats what makes the question interesting?

 

[Morning Angel]

If theyre here I doubt they can respond to something like that, since they probably want to leave too.
What I mean is I don't think parents on this site are a good representative example of such a question, or maybe thats what makes the question interesting?

Yeah it's not ideal, but we know what most parents would say already. They would talk about suicide from a perspective of how it would devastate them. It's the parents who understand suffering I want to hear from (not that these are mutually exclusive).

 

[skitliv]

Yeah it's not ideal, but we know what most parents would say already. They would talk about suicide from a perspective of how it would devastate them. It's the parents who understand suffering I want to hear from (not that these are mutually exclusive).

That makes sense, now I'm interested in knowing too

 

[Tiburcio]

Yeah it's not ideal, but we know what most parents would say already. They would talk about suicide from a perspective of how it would devastate them. It's the parents who understand suffering I want to hear from (not that these are mutually exclusive).

Why they don't think WE are the destroyed ones if they love us so much as they say?


Oh true, that toxic love...

 

[Morning Angel]

Why they don't think WE are the destroyed ones if they love us so much as they say?


Oh true, that toxic love...

Just because a parent may not accept the death of their child doesn't mean they have selfish or ill intent. It's perfectly natural for them to want to see their children survive, and go on after so much investment. I'm not saying all parents are good in their roles, but let's not assume they all want their kids to suffer or that they don't care.

 

[Tiburcio]

Just because a parent may not accept the death of their child doesn't mean they have selfish or ill intent. It's perfectly natural for them to want to see their children survive, and go on after so much investment. I'm not saying all parents are good in their roles but let's not assume they all want their kids to suffer or that they don't care.

Selfish.


Some of them will never notice how many damage they are doing.

Trap somebody here, suffering for years just because they want to fulfill such a selfish wish? No.