Decapitation

[JustAboutDone]

however thinking about suicide while listening to depressive music is one thing, actually getting through with it another thing.

some people here a very naive picture of suicide.

there will be no perfect suicide method no matter how long you search.

and in the end you need a lot of balls and commitment to go through with it

everything comes with a price. and if you are not willing to pay it, then i suggest you to move on face your problems instead of daydreaming about suicide which would magically make all your problems dissapear.

btw i dont exclude myself here

I think everyone on this forum is well aware there is no 'perfect' suicide. But I don't think you can say they have a 'naive' view just because they are hoping to try and minimise the impact their passing has on innocent people by thinking carefully about their plans, alerting the authorities with time-delay emails/notes etc.

 

[RougePineapple]

Why don't you try sn or Nitrogen or 1,4butanediol?

i would rather ask why you suggest those methods? i am confused.

 

[firedragon135]

I wonder how strong the rope must be. Like should i get a rope that withstands 500kg of force or will the force be much greater and i need a rope that can withstand 2.000 kg or something?... someone has maaaaaybe an idea? <_<

 

[2 be or not]

I think this method is effective and fast,as long as you have a good noose and strong rope and anchor point.
The problem is the car continuing with you dead inside.You should take some time to search for a proper location to do something like this.

Good point, the body should be well anchored to the car seat since the force of the rope will pull it from the car while in motion. If successful, the head will come off, body stays inside the car, not out the window.

 

[RougePineapple]

Exit bag or OD with proper precautions, like covering up your body and warning people what they're about to find before they enter the room. Something that doesn't leave an overly grotesque corpse.

Unless I'm around a bunch of black metal dudes who I know will be delighted by the sight of my dead body, then I'd pull the most gruesome method possible and leave a mildly humorous suicide note next to it.

i have played around with the idea of disemboweling myself with a chainsaw...

 

[firedragon135]

Good point, the body should be well anchored to the car seat since the force of the rope will pull it from the car while in motion. If successful, the head will come off, body stays inside the car, not out the window.

And what would be considered well anchored to the car seat? I just thought i would already make the nooses needed and then drive to the place where i will do it, prepare everything and than go back into the car, take a drink or 2 to ease my mind and then just do it. I don't think you need to prepare too much for this method, because at 30km/h your throat will get fucked up either way. Your neck gets snaped and most certainly your arteries in your neck will all rupture and will be torn apart. Im not sure i will need more than a seatbelt and balls of steel to do it oö

 

[creationisdeath]

Since my method with paracetamol was deemed as unworthy as an end i thought long yesterday and read something pretty interesting. Decapitation with a car and a rope. You just put your head through the noose and accelerate till the rope yanks your head of. I read some articles about it and i had to admit, that this method seems pretty save, even though there are only a handfull of this cases. Every try and success endet deadly, even the people, where the rope tore. It seems with this method even if unsuccessfull, the first thing to rip in your neck will be the carotid artory's, which lead to an extremly fast and painless death in all victims.

So i wondered how much rope would someone need to do such a thing? 30m? 40m? I mean the location is clear, you only need a tree and a little bit of road to accelerate, thats all. And should the rope be pretty sturdy or is a normal rope more than enough? What do you guys think?

I have thought about this before and the only downside I've found is that I do not know if one is still conscious when the head flies around..

Same concept with a rope and a bridge or anything high up. Could even be a tree. Traditional executions often led to decapitations because they were off by a few inches.

I even picked a rope. There are stiff climbing ropes that can easily hold like a ton of weight. Don't use the regular ones that are flexible. Although even that shouldn't be an issue since they don't stretch forever either.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

I think everyone on this forum is well aware there is no 'perfect' suicide. But I don't think you can say they have a 'naive' view just because they are hoping to try and minimise the impact their passing has on innocent people by thinking carefully about their plans, alerting the authorities with time-delay emails/notes etc.

first: i think its a good attitude to care about the wellbeing of other people. its a noble and admirable trait.


however i stay with my point: if you are already so concerned about the soullife of foreigners youve never met you will have a really hard time to go through with ctb - because no matter which method you choose - it will really affect people around you. not some random strangers but people who are close to you and care about you.

and i think a lot of people here reached a stage where they dont know what to do and all the researching, concentrating on details, having unrealistic high expectation on methods can be considered as distraction and procrastination. a state which isnt healthy. either go through with or - if you figured out you will stay here for another couple of years - move on.


in the end everyone has to decide on his/her own what to do.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I have thought about this before and the only downside I've found is that I do not know if one is still conscious when the head flies around..

Same concept with a rope and a bridge or anything high up. Could even be a tree. Traditional executions often led to decapitations because they were off by a few inches.

I even picked a rope. There are stiff climbing ropes that can easily hold like a ton of weight. Don't use the regular ones that are flexible. Although even that shouldn't be an issue since they don't stretch forever either.

Can you be still conscious while your head flies around??

 

[creationisdeath]

Can you be still conscious while your head flies around??

I don't know - I mean the brain itself is still intact?

Probably just for a few seconds, but I'd rather not spend those in absolute terror. That's also what keeps me from jumping.

Like when someone hits you and time slows down to a crawl. Every second feeling like hours. I don't want to know how that is when you're literally flying.

 

[firedragon135]

I have thought about this before and the only downside I've found is that I do not know if one is still conscious when the head flies around..

Same concept with a rope and a bridge or anything high up. Could even be a tree. Traditional executions often led to decapitations because they were off by a few inches.

I even picked a rope. There are stiff climbing ropes that can easily hold like a ton of weight. Don't use the regular ones that are flexible. Although even that shouldn't be an issue since they don't stretch forever either.

i am ofc not sure myself but i am certain you will only be conscious for a splitsecond if at all. Just think about it takes only a few seconds to be unconscious without blood in your head

 

[2 be or not]

And what would be considered well anchored to the car seat? I just thought i would already make the nooses needed and then drive to the place where i will do it, prepare everything and than go back into the car, take a drink or 2 to ease my mind and then just do it. I don't think you need to prepare too much for this method, because at 30km/h your throat will get fucked up either way. Your neck gets snaped and most certainly your arteries in your neck will all rupture and will be torn apart. Im not sure i will need more than a seatbelt and balls of steel to do it oö

Just be sure to think about the direction of force pulling at your neck while the car is in motion, a seat belt should be fine.

 

[JustAboutDone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/3154835.stm

Here is the link to the story

 

[2 be or not]

Since my method with paracetamol was deemed as unworthy as an end ...

Was your liver affected?

 

[firedragon135]

Just be sure to think about the direction of force pulling

Was your liver affected?

Oh no! I meant i first wanted to commit suicide with paracetamol and opened a thread. But people told me it's unreliable and that mortality isn't as high and i should think about something different.... so i did and i found this method. I would just love to know some sciency stuff, but it seems no one really knows 2 much about that, so i guess i will just have to buy a rope which can take 8.000N of force for climbing and hope it's enough.

 

[2 be or not]

Glad to hear you didn't mess up your liver. Flesh and bone are no match against the force of a car and a well anchored rope.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

The present case deals with the unusual suicide method of a 36-year-old man who fastened one end of a nylon rope to a tree, guided the other end into a van through the open tailgate and placed the loop round his neck. Then he stepped on the accelerator. Before, he had marked the point on the ground where the rope would tighten. As the rope tightened complete decapitation occurred at a speed of about 35 km/h. Autopsy showed a nearly circular abrasion zone around the site of transection slightly ascending towards the nape, a fracture of the cervical spine between the 3rd and 4th vertebra and a fracture of the thoracic spine between the 7th and 8th vertebra. The test for air embolism of the heart was positive. Macroscopically, no evidence of blood aspiration was found. Histological investigation showed general anaemia and minor blood aspiration in the lungs. Wound morphology was largely in line with the injury patterns described after decapitation in the literature. However, our results differed in that blood aspiration was discernible only under the microscope and there was a second fracture of the spine. Decapitation as a suicide method is an expression of enormous autoaggression and is categorized as a "hard" suicide method. It is used predominantly by men and its occurrence in the spectrum of suicidal actions is rare. Police investigations revealed that the man had led a sort of double life with a sexually motivated background and had suffered from depressive episodes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24358621

 

[firedragon135]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24358621

I am trying to find such a place, but it's actually quite hard to find a place where you find an anchor in a straight line behind you so that you can guide the line through the open tailgate. I don't know if it's enough force even though it's a tree or post on the left side of the car or if it MUST be in a straight line to achieve decapitation

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

I am trying to find such a place, but it's actually quite hard to find a place where you find an anchor in a straight line behind you so that you can guide the line through the open tailgate. I don't know if it's enough force even though it's a tree or post on the left side of the car or if it MUST be in a straight line to achieve decapitation

But during his 'break, Mr Wackett is believed to have got hold of a nylon rope - bought from the DIY store two days before - tied it around his neck, fed it through a window of his car and tied the other end to a lamp post.

As he drove away the rope tightened, tearing his head from his body.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/3154835.stm

apparently you can also put it through the window even though i personally would always choose the tailgate - feels more right



regarding the force:

i always was bad at physics but this is the official drop table hangman in england used...just enough to break the neck without decapitation

f = m*g

g(freefall) = 9,81



average mass/weight of a car is about 2.000lbs?

 

[firedragon135]

apparently you can also put it through the window even though i personally would always choose the tailgate - feels more right



regarding the force:

i always was bad at physics but this is the official drop table hangman in england used...just enough to break the neck without decapitation

f = m*g

g(freefall) = 9,81



average mass/weight of a car is about 2.000lbs?

Yeah this whole window thing irritates me you know? I'm no good at physics and i'm afraid the whole force of the pull would be wasted on the metal thing between the doors and my neck would only take a little force of this. I know many spots where there are trees on the left side of the road, i think i will anchor the rope there and put the rope through the open tailgate. My rope is around 30m so it should almost be straight, when the rope tightens and the force should be almost at max. I think i will do it at around 3 or 4 am, when people sleep and will send a timed message 10minutes after my suicide to the police where they can find my body and the farewell letters.

I didn't think my life would end like this and it kinda feels unreal, now that the rope arrived yesterday. I am kinda afraid i must admit ^^'''

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Yeah this whole window thing irritates me you know? I'm no good at physics and i'm afraid the whole force of the pull would be wasted on the metal thing between the doors and my neck would only take a little force of this. I know many spots where there are trees on the left side of the road, i think i will anchor the rope there and put the rope through the open tailgate. My rope is around 30m so it should almost be straight, when the rope tightens and the force should be almost at max. I think i will do it at around 3 or 4 am, when people sleep and will send a timed message 10minutes after my suicide to the police where they can find my body and the farewell letters.

I didn't think my life would end like this and it kinda feels unreal, now that the rope arrived yesterday. I am kinda afraid i must admit ^^'''

yes if you would put the rope through the window and then through the metal bars of the front seat you would lose some force

but i think eventually it wont matter. the car is too heavy, too fast..the force too big


your plan sounds solid...have you checked diy markets in germany like obi, hornbach? they often have huge parking lots


dont stress yourself or be worried that you are frightened...24 of 25 people dont go through with it regardless of the method

i wouldnt send a timed message to the police bc of this.

"failure" would be the norm not the exception

 

[firedragon135]

yes if you would put the rope through the window and then through the metal bars of the front seat you would lose some force

but i think eventually it wont matter. the car is too heavy, too fast..the force too big


your plan sounds solid...have you checked diy markets in germany like obi, hornbach? they often have huge parking lots


dont stress yourself or be worried that you are frightened...24 of 25 people dont go through with it regardless of the method

i wouldnt send a timed message to the police bc of this.

"failure" would be the norm not the exception

that's a brilliant idea actually, their parking lots are not always locked at night. Only our supermarkets lock them i think.
Dieing is the only thing i want at the moment but i'm kinda still afraid to lose the memories which are precious to me i guess. My life is shit and i want to end it as fast as possible, i just don't want to lose the memories of my mother somehow... I wish death wouldn't be such a frightening thing

 

[ReadyasEver]

Interesting, at one point someone told me that if you want a guarantee, take a 12 ga shotgun with slug pointed at your heart and you are standing on a stool with a noose around your neck. Either one is big to overcome but doing both, yikes.

 

[firedragon135]

Interesting, at one point someone told me that if you want a guarantee, take a 12 ga shotgun with slug pointed at your heart and you are standing on a stool with a noose around your neck. Either one is big to overcome but doing both, yikes.

Well i think guns are a pretty good way to go BUT you can't really get one in germany so there's that i guess...

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

that's a brilliant idea actually, their parking lots are not always locked at night. Only our supermarkets lock them i think.
Dieing is the only thing i want at the moment but i'm kinda still afraid to lose the memories which are precious to me i guess. My life is shit and i want to end it as fast as possible, i just don't want to lose the memories of my mother somehow... I wish death wouldn't be such a frightening thing

unfortunately losing the will to live is not enough. often not even the wish to die.

do you know lord of the rings? the ring got heavier and heavier the closer they get to this vulcano...and with deathwishes and suicide its similar (not always but often)

its easy to have unconcrete deathwishes, most people have this at one point.

however the closer, the more concret you get with your planning the more difficult, the more willpower you need.

this is why people often dont commit suicide even when they are suicidal and have a gun or nembutal right in front of them (when they super sure to commit suicide soon once the nembutal arrives)

and i cant even imagine how much adrenalin, how much stress you have when you, me or another person sit in a car with a rope around the neck.

cant garantuee you that you wont be overwhelmed and paralysed...

and if you then have an automatic mechanism to inform the police...


if youre unlucky youre not dead then but in a psych ward

 

[firedragon135]

unfortunately losing the will to live is not enough. often not even the wish to die.

do you know lord of the rings? the ring got heavier and heavier the closer they get to this vulcano...and with deathwishes and suicide its similar (not always but often)

its easy to have unconcrete deathwishes, most people have this at one point.

however the closer, the more concret you get with your planning the more difficult, the more willpower you need.

this is why people often dont commit suicide even when they are suicidal and have a gun or nembutal right in front of them (when they super sure to commit suicide soon once the nembutal arrives)

and i cant even imagine how much adrenalin, how much stress you have when you, me or another person sit in a car with a rope around the neck.

cant garantuee you that you wont be overwhelmed and paralysed...

and if you then have an automatic mechanism to inform the police...


if youre unlucky youre not dead then but in a psych ward

well there's only one way to find out right? I mean i will do it at night so there's a chance no person will notice and i can just pack my stuff together and leave with no one noticing what i tried there. But i know myself you know? I had lots of shit going through my head and i never acted on any impulses i had. But this time it's different. I sat down and thought about different methods, probably the last 300 hours went straight into thinking, reading and working on methods to kill myself. If i wouldn't be serious i think i wouldn't even have bought and read this stuff beforehand bc i only do shit when i really really want it to do. Atm killing myself is my only goal in life where i can do something good for the people around me. I had enough with torturing myself and my loved one's around me. I failed in life and i always will so there is no other choice for me than to go through with it. I fucked my life up so much that there's no going back anymore. There's no anchors that keep me in this life anymore but ofc i am sure i will shit my pants once i sit in my car with this rope around my neck. I only need the courage to hold the pedal down for a little. Like you said, once you put that pedal down a little, there's no going back

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

@firedragon allright then

will you take sth to calm you down before you hit the pedal?

 

[firedragon135]

@firedragon allright then

will you take sth to calm you down before you hit the pedal?

you think it's easier with a drink or 2? I am not so sure if i should take something bc i'm afraid it would make me think more about it and keep me off from doing it. I'm not sure about it tho, if it helps a lot then sure i will go for it

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

you think it's easier with a drink or 2? I am not so sure if i should take something bc i'm afraid it would make me think more about it and keep me off from doing it. I'm not sure about it tho, if it helps a lot then sure i will go for it

wat about phenibut?

it was developed to calm the nerves down of russian space pilot without affecting their ability to work


its like a light benzo and you get without prescription

 

[Robanon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/3154835.stm

Here is the link to the story

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