Even if it truly states that (and it's not just your interpretation), syncopes as in pass out challenge are likely exceptional in water. So gathering real statistics on such syncopes may be nearly impossible.
I don't owe you anything. There is a theoretical reason to think that duration of syncope induced in the given way does not depend on whether the person is breathing fresh air or not or whether they're submerged or not - simply because nothing substantially changes between these cases with regard to oxygen delivery to the brain.
You're still purely speculating things as if you were a qualified diver that knows all the safety precautions surrounding LOCU.
First, your position is not supported by any credible diving, medical, or rescue authorities. The statement from DAN Southern Africa (DANSA) and other medical literature is straightforward and does not require interpretation: "One could even say that the loss of consciousness underwater (LOCU) equals death, unless the person is very lucky indeed." This is a direct quote from a major dive safety organization.
When such a respected source states that unconsciousness underwater, regardless of the cause, is almost always fatal without prompt rescue, that should end the debate unless you can provide a credible source with a different conclusion.
Second, your claim that syncopes as induced by the pass-out challenge are "likely exceptional in water" misses the point entirely. Whether a particular type of syncope is rare does not change the clear fact that
losing consciousness underwater virtually always results in drowning without rescue. Medical professionals, diving safety organizations, and forensic reports collectively agree that people do not routinely regain consciousness underwater unaided. While there may be few documented statistics specifically on "pass out challenge" syncopes in water, this is because spontaneous recovery underwater is so rare it is not recorded as a typical outcome. Fatalities from shallow water blackout and similar events are well documented, underscoring this consensus.
Third, regarding your point about it being "nearly impossible" to gather statistics on these syncopes underwater, the burden of proof lies with you, not with the medical community. The absence of data showing frequent spontaneous underwater recoveries is precisely because such recoveries almost never happen. If your claim is that people commonly lose consciousness underwater and then wake up on their own, the responsibility is on you to present
even one credible published case or study confirming that. Without such evidence, existing expert consensus based on decades of clinical and forensic data remains authoritative: unconscious underwater almost always means death without immediate assistance.
If it doesn't sound convincing to you, it's fine. Maybe you'll learn your mistake in the hard way.
Can you please stop trying to speculate and doing the "what ifs".
Honestly nothing about this convinces me in terms of I don't understand why the brain can't regain consciousness using the method I'm describing.
However what I do know is that if an official diving safety organisation says ANY reason to pass out underwater leads to drowning unconscious, my theories, your theories, your neighbours' theories… they all go out the window.
I would try it but yk the thing is that if I'm right I'll be dead before I can tell you it worked, so I'll guess I'll have to find out the day I ctb.
Also I think I'm just going to buy an inert gas and inhale that shit underwater until I pass out, which basically means a guaranteed death if I plan right. I'm just trying to prove this method I'm proposing works so that people who can't get access to an inert gas can have hope that you only really need a body of water to do this.
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I'd much rather we have a productive debate about this topic.
