Capitalism is the source of our ills; it must be destroyed!

[Pan]

I disagree.

I think it's more about consumerism & corruption than capitalism , which is just a basic right to own property ; right protected by the state and arbitrated by fair and just courts. (clearly that does not happen so what we see in the world is not capitalism).

Suicide is older than capitalism and exists in places that are not capitalist.

Capitalism does not mean laissez faire. The correlation of capitalism with deregulation, privatisation, tax havens, materialism, individualism, etc was done in the late 70s -- these are not synonyms, integral parts, inevitable results of basic capitalism. I'm not "defending capitalism" but the truth: people on both sides are lying. "Capitalism" is used as a slogan both by proponents and opponents -- and it had long lost its original meaning. It's another type of 1984.



The Road to Serfdom (1944, Hayek), a shining example of neo-liberal paradigm, speaks of protecting the environment and workers rights as essential. I'm not endorsing that school of thought nor recommending the book. I'm saying: educate thyself.

Capitalism encompasses much more that private property; Hayek's analysis is dated and flawed. If anything, we are struck in a rigid dialectic from which there is no escape.

What do you mean ctb would not exist?. Are you saying once capitalism is gone that all suicidal people would be happy, and not consider ctb?. Well if you did, that isn't true because I wouldn't be happy, I would still ctb.

Of course ctb would continue to exist; statistics bear that out. Never has the suicide rate been higher.

 

[Quarky00]

Capitalism encompasses much more that private property; Hayek's analysis is dated and flawed. If anything, we are struck in a rigid dialectic from which there is no escape.

Capitalism was conceived as a response to mercantilism in the 18th century. The common felt notion it may "encompasses much more than private property" is a recent invention.

That's why we distinguish between Greek Democracy , and Modern Democracy , for example (and they too have flavours). Not all capitalisms are the same.

I did not address the validity of Hayek's analysis . I referred to an old book offering primal ideas of neo-liberalism (which may be percieved as the modern evolution of capitalism) .

To my opinion you have not addressed what I wrote. (but expressed your view regardless, which is fine)

 

[Alain]

Well, maybe this forum isn't the good place for politics views and opinions. Unless of course if it about euthanasia, assisted suicide and suicide in general. Everybody gets a little bit nervous when it comes to politics. And, imo, it does not help anyone here.
That being said, vote for me.

 

[Pan]

Don't wanna be rude but you don't have socialism and it seems like you don't know what it is and how it works. Socialism make things like healthcare possible, and for all, for example. And literally saves hundreds of thousands lives per year in a countries like mine.It's about not leaving anyone behind. The weak, the defenseless, the poor...

Capitalism (as an ideology) is not particularly bad, just like communism ; it's when it happens that it become crazy and unfair. In US, it seems that capitalism ruins lives and get the rich people richer. How many citizen lose their homes because of capitalism? How many people are stuck in debts because of capitalism? How many kids won't get a proper education because it's so expensive, and will be stuck in poverty?

I don't say any system is totally fair or totally unfair (especially when it's just a concept), all have flaw . But when it comes to reality, I really prefer socialism over capitalism.

You are'nt being rude at all; I welcome the discussion.
I never said I was a socialist, nor does socialism make healthcare possible. You are right, however, when it comes to airing these broader grievances on a ctb site. When I read Mao, for example, I disagree with much of what he articulates; his terse, even stentorian style is what is primarily appealing to me. Were I a voter, I would vote for you.

Capitalism was conceived as a response to mercantilism in the 18th century. The common felt notion it may "encompasses much more than private property" is a recent invention.

That's why we distinguish between Greek Democracy , and Modern Democracy , for example (and they too have flavours). Not all capitalisms are the same.

I did not address the validity of Hayek's analysis . I referred to an old book offering primal ideas of neo-liberalism (which may be percieved as the modern evolution of capitalism) .

To my opinion you have not addressed what I wrote. (but expressed your view regardless, which is fine)

Oops! I think I was adressing wrong respondent.perhaps Alain is correct is in that political discussions have no place on this site, my admiration for Nepalese maoists notwithstanding.

 

[Eren]

Don't wanna be rude but you don't have socialism and it seems like you don't know what it is and how it works. Socialism make things like healthcare possible, and for all, for example. And literally saves hundreds of thousands lives per year in a countries like mine.It's about not leaving anyone behind. The weak, the defenseless, the poor...

Capitalism (as an ideology) is not particularly bad, just like communism ; it's when it happens that it become crazy and unfair. In US, it seems that capitalism ruins lives and get the rich people richer. How many citizen lose their homes because of capitalism? How many people are stuck in debts because of capitalism? How many kids won't get a proper education because it's so expensive, and will be stuck in poverty?

I don't say any system is totally fair or totally unfair (especially when it's just a concept), all have flaw . But when it comes to reality, I really prefer socialism over capitalism.

you haven't been rude, that's just a debate.

I do not know what your country is or its policy, so I will not talk about it, but I know my country (Spain), even though it is a capitalist country, it has a very strong government intervention and our health system is (in theory) one of the best public health systems in the world, it is completely free (except the dentist) but it is completely inefficient, slow, it can take months/years for you to do 5 tests, and I know it first hand. I have mobility problems in both hands, which has made me unable to work, I have been in the public health service for more than a year and in the end they have discharged me, I will have to go to a private doctor, for what I pay taxes if they are not willing to do whatever it takes to fix the problem? I would prefer then not to pay for that public health service that does not solve my problem, and with that money, pay the doctor that I think is most convenient for solving that problem.

Also, Spain is one of the countries that has handled the coronavirus issue the worst, our government made free tests to only a few people, and then it turned out that those tests were not valid ... the government is simply corrupt, instead Korea of the South, a country much more capitalist than ours, tested its entire population, it has handled the situation 1000 times better than Spain, and yes, each person paid for their test (I do not remember how much it cost, around 150-200 $) but I prefer to pay that money, to know that I don't have the virus and to be able to go to work, in Spain, simply because they don't have tests, 100% of the population is quarantined (except doctors, transporters, etc ...), so people loses his job and there are also more infections, since nobody knows if they have the virus or not.

I am not an extremist, and I understand that to some extent government intervention may be necessary, for example in crisis situations such as the coronavirus, but as a general rule I do not trust government management.

 

[strand]

I wish there was a laugh react in this forum for off-topic posts. Ancaps deserve ridicule. I'm sorry.

 

[mediocre]

Is the true problem not crony capitalism and now corporatism? When I think of capitalism I think of a regular person being able to start their own successful business, in simplistic terms that's how I understand it anyway. But I confess I am not overly knowledgable on the topic.

we seem to be moving away from that and now we have 4 large corporations that basically run everything. Amazon is taking over everything and stomping out small businesses so they can't survive.

they already have tremendous power over the government enough not to pay taxes.It is quite scary to think of what the future holds..

 

[HereToday]

Agreed. This system was built to crush our spirits, not nurture them. Our only purpose in life is to make the rich richer.

 

[TheSkyIsBlue]

Cbt would exist. It has been existing in non-capitalistic countries too. Capitalism is not the cause. Humans are.

 

[Worndown]

Capitalism is the only economic model that functions. Not always perfectly, but day to day it is reliable.
CTB is where one is unable to cope further with a situation or condition and feels the need to end their existence.
One can push the other, but not alone.

We're capitalism destroyed, ctb would not exist...bring down the capitalist system! MAO more than ever!

Capitalism is the only economic model that functions. Not always perfectly, but day to day it is reliable.
CTB is where one is unable to cope further with a situation or condition and feels the need to end their existence.
One can push the other, but not alone.
Mao was a dictator. I expect he influenced his subjects desire to CTB more than anything else.

 

[Pan]

you haven't been rude, that's just a debate.

I do not know what your country is or its policy, so I will not talk about it, but I know my country (Spain), even though it is a capitalist country, it has a very strong government intervention and our health system is (in theory) one of the best public health systems in the world, it is completely free (except the dentist) but it is completely inefficient, slow, it can take months/years for you to do 5 tests, and I know it first hand. I have mobility problems in both hands, which has made me unable to work, I have been in the public health service for more than a year and in the end they have discharged me, I will have to go to a private doctor, for what I pay taxes if they are not willing to do whatever it takes to fix the problem? I would prefer then not to pay for that public health service that does not solve my problem, and with that money, pay the doctor that I think is most convenient for solving that problem.

Also, Spain is one of the countries that has handled the coronavirus issue the worst, our government made free tests to only a few people, and then it turned out that those tests were not valid ... the government is simply corrupt, instead Korea of the South, a country much more capitalist than ours, tested its entire population, it has handled the situation 1000 times better than Spain, and yes, each person paid for their test (I do not remember how much it cost, around 150-200 $) but I prefer to pay that money, to know that I don't have the virus and to be able to go to work, in Spain, simply because they don't have tests, 100% of the population is quarantined (except doctors, transporters, etc ...), so people loses his job and there are also more infections, since nobody knows if they have the virus or not.

I am not an extremist, and I understand that to some extent government intervention may be necessary, for example in crisis situations such as the coronavirus, but as a general rule I do not trust government management.

I have travelled the world, and own properties in u.s.s.a and Belize. Like Leon Trotsky, I have the capital to think...and think...and think...all I wish to do is to end my life fighting for a cause, whatever that may be. If it means Nepalese maoists, then I am game. Only the bourgiousee (read "me") would be driven by such things. Paradoxically, you need capital to envision the end to capital. Spoiled upperclass minion that I am, I think less of Maoism than, if you will, ctb with a purpose. What better way to die, I ask you?

There are a lot of known suicides through history, long before capitalism and I wouldn't be surprised is some of the early hominids commited suicide.

We are cursed by our human condition, we are aware of our existence, mortality, decay, etc, while being able to think about the past, to think on how things could have happened in another way, to relive our traumatic events, etc. None of this has anything to do with capitalism

You are so right; this is what separates hominids from, say, "lower" lifeforms. Cursed with an overly developed frontal lobe, hominids are truly the only beings who can contemplate their ends, leading theFrench philosopher George bataille to describe hominids as "death living a human life".

 

[peacefulhorizons]

Peak capitalism is tens of thousands of dollars for a short involuntary inpatient psych stay

 

[Pan]

My spiritual teacher stated that there will be a monumental wipeout on such a major scale that it will literally transform the human psyche in a deep way. This will eventually allow a new consciousness on this earth....

To read about it :
http://www.barrylong.org/statements/end.shtml

(runs over several pages..... hit "Continues" links at end of each page)

Your article by Barry Long truly resonated with me; as I see it, hominids would'nt be so terrified of the end were it not so true, so imminent, so frightening. His essay reminds me so much of what postmodern critics identify as "the end of invention" and the end of our concept of future tense. It is part of the general zeitgeist of things, and cuts across politics, culture and economics. There indeed appears nowhere else to go. I see it myself in Belize, where I own a home, which I built some 20 years ago. What was once a depopulated tropical idyll has now become crammed with people, crammed with concrete, crammed with kitsch, swank casinos. Meanwhile, the flora and fauna I loved so much there is gone, gone, gone. Small wonder that I want to fight for revolution in the short term, in Nepal. Quality before quantity; get busy living, get busy dying. Truly, friend, a wonderful and enlightening essay!

Your article by Barry Long truly resonated with me; as I see it, hominids would'nt be so terrified of the end were it not so true, so imminent, so frightening. His essay reminds me so much of what postmodern critics identify as "the end of invention" and the end of our concept of future tense. It is part of the general zeitgeist of things, and cuts across politics, culture and economics. There indeed appears nowhere else to go. I see it myself in Belize, where I own a home, which I built some 20 years ago. What was once a depopulated tropical idyll has now become crammed with people, crammed with concrete, crammed with kitsch, swank casinos. Meanwhile, the flora and fauna I loved so much there is gone, gone, gone. Small wonder that I want to fight for revolution in the short term, in Nepal. Quality before quantity; get busy living, get busy dying. Truly, friend, a wonderful and enlightening essay!

Oops! Sorry for repeated reply. My thanx again!

 

[Pan]

One part of this essay by Long makes me think of what Karl Marx said: .
"One need only imagine it before it becomes social reality" Apocalypse seems to be in the Zeitgeist things. It is much like the proverbial elephant in the room—everyone knows is is there; the cultural air is thick with it. Meanwhile, the bedizened masses salivate like dogs with chew toys at the creation of yet another "device". (No disrespect to our canine kids)!
So true! Look at the abundant miracles capitalism has produced!
Of course, look at the marvels capitalism has swamped us with, we are swimming -or rather drowning in - a sea of consumer bliss! So many choices! I'm downright numbed by it all. Look, for example, at the Papua New Guinean coastline... particularly the country's , capitol, Port Moresby,....where's the sand? Under a veritable mass of wires, diet coke cans, plastic bags, tampons, condoms, that's where. Meanwhile the bedizened masses salivate at the creation of yet another electronic, uh, "device" so that they can buy yet another brand of -yes- TOILET PAPER.

One part of this essay by Long makes me think of what Karl Marx said: .
"One need only imagine it before it becomes social reality" Apocalypse seems to be in the Zeitgeist things. It is much like the proverbial elephant in the room—everyone knows is is there; the cultural air is thick with it. Meanwhile, the bedizened masses salivate like dogs with chew toys at the creation of yet another "device". (No disrespect to our canine kids)!
So true! Look at the abundant miracles capitalism has produced!
Of course, look at the marvels capitalism has swamped us with, we are swimming -or rather drowning in - a sea of consumer bliss! So many choices! I'm downright numbed by it all. Look, for example, at the Papua New Guinean coastline... particularly the country's , capitol, Port Moresby,....where's the sand? Under a veritable mass of wires, diet coke cans, plastic bags, tampons, condoms, that's where. Meanwhile the bedizened masses salivate at the creation of yet another electronic, uh, "device" so that they can buy yet another brand of -yes- TOILET PAPER.

 

[Pan]

In my mind's eye, I envision a kind of mandala spinning endlessly in mid air encompassing Diet Coke cans, Chicken McNuggets boxed and unboxed, sealed condom packets, scented garbage bags and, of course, TOILET PAPER (unused, naturally).

I wish there was a laugh react in this forum for off-topic posts. Ancaps deserve ridicule. I'm sorry.

Lol works nicely, does'nt it? Oh no, not more audio!

Capitalism encompasses much more that private property; Hayek's analysis is dated and flawed. If anything, we are struck in a rigid dialectic from which there is no escape.

Of course ctb would continue to exist; statistics bear that out. Never has the suicide rate been higher.

I am inclined to agree with those who deplore discussions like these; they muddy the waters, if you will, with, say, the pompous sloganeering of MY thread title. I mean "c'mon, Pan! You can do better than that, uh, right?"
How now, chairman Mao?

 

[Pan]

Yeah, sure. No internet, no food, no meds, no toilet paper, seems cool. ctb wouldn't exist because you would die before from starvation

What!? No toilet paper!?
Can someone please explain why 100 brands of, say, toilets are made? Isn't one brand enough?

 

[jgm63]

What!? No toilet paper!?
Can someone please explain why 100 brands of, say, toilets are made? Isn't one brand enough?

The competitive money model causes companies to compete, causing a terrific waste of human effort.
Rather than co-operate and create one company, we have 2 or 3 hundred companies all repeating the same effort, but not collaborating, all trying to out-do each other.
So instead of, say, 1000 humans fulfilling a need, you have 200000 humans taken up fulfilling that need.
Those extra 190000 humans could have been used for something else.
This is only one tiny piece of the jigsaw, and obviously the whole picture has many nuances and complexities, but it gives an idea of how competition wastes human potential.

 

[Eren]

Capitalism is the only economic model that functions. Not always perfectly, but day to day it is reliable.
CTB is where one is unable to cope further with a situation or condition and feels the need to end their existence.
One can push the other, but not alone.

Capitalism is the only economic model that functions. Not always perfectly, but day to day it is reliable.
CTB is where one is unable to cope further with a situation or condition and feels the need to end their existence.
One can push the other, but not alone.
Mao was a dictator. I expect he influenced his subjects desire to CTB more than anything else.

Completely agree.

The competitive money model causes companies to compete, causing a terrific waste of human effort.
Rather than co-operate and create one company, we have 2 or 3 hundred companies all repeating the same effort, but not collaborating, all trying to out-do each other.
So instead of, say, 1000 humans fulfilling a need, you have 200000 humans taken up fulfilling that need.
Those extra 190000 humans could have been used for something else.
This is only one tiny piece of the jigsaw, and obviously the whole picture has many nuances and complexities, but it gives an idea of how competition wastes human potential.

I don't think that competition wastes the human being, in fact I think it is important for a good motivation.

Imagine that a single company offered a product, what would motivate you to offer a better product or lower price? When companies compete, those who "win" are those who offer a better product, and in the end, those who win are the consumers.

 

[jgm63]

Completely agree.


I don't think that competition wastes the human being, in fact I think it is important for a good motivation.

Imagine that a single company offered a product, what would motivate you to offer a better product or lower price? When companies compete, those who "win" are those who offer a better product, and in the end, those who win are the consumers.

Sorry, but I think your point is very short sighted.
You've fallen for the lies and weak arguments that try to justify a capitalist model.
Only a united and intelligent humanity working together for the greatest good could result in a positive outcome for the earth and humanity.
Under such a scheme you would never have or allow the extreme differences between the "have"s and "have not"s.
In such an arrangement you would not need hundreds of companies all trying to do the same thing without co-operating with one another.
It is today's money system that forces people to destroy the earth so that they can feed their families.
The concept of money itself could work but only if managed by a system run by those with true wisdom and an absence of corruption.

In my opinion all of the above would also need to be accompanied by spiritual knowledge and wisdom, which has been trashed by modern science.
Anyhow, this whole thing is an enormous topic that would be far too time consuming to discuss in a series of text messages.
(A voice discussion would be more appropriate).

 

[epic]

We're capitalism destroyed, ctb would not exist...bring down the capitalist system! MAO more than ever!

Capitalism is one of the best economic systems. You work for 40 hours a week and you get to live with a decent lifestyle. In socialist countries people work for 60 hours a week and still live in very bad condition.

 

[jgm63]

Capitalism is one of the best economic systems. You work for 40 hours a week and you get to live with a decent lifestyle. In socialist countries people work for 60 hours a week and still live in very bad condition.

Just because socialism, or more likely the way it has been implemented (or not implemented), is rubbish, doesn't make capitalism good. It just makes it very slightly less rubbish, which is hardly worthy of praise....

Capitalism and the mismanagement of money have raped the earth, plain and simple.

e.g. People frantically cutting down trees so they can feed their families.... Utter insanity.
The earth would have had enough resources to go around if humanity worked together and acted with intelligence.
You would never have someone needing to cut down trees at breakneck speed just to be able to eat and pay their bills.
Thank you capitalism for making such madness happen....

 

[epic]

Capitalism and the mismanagement of money have raped the earth, plain and simple.

e.g. People frantically cutting down trees so they can feed their families.... Utter insanity.
The earth would have had enough resources to go around if humanity worked together and acted with intelligence.
You would never have someone needing to cut down trees at breakneck speed just to be able to eat and pay their bills.
Thank you capitalism for making such madness happen....

There's truth to what you are saying. Unabated Deforestation(like you mentioned),Loose Emission norms, destroying ecologically sensitive areas should not be allowed under capitalist systems but it is difficult to determine the correct balance between environment and human well being . Besides capitalism could itself solve these problems by driving down the costs of clean technologies like solar power,windmills and electric cars.

 

[Eren]

The concept of money itself could work but only if managed by a system run by those with true wisdom and an absence of corruption.

And who are those who have wisdom and are free from corruption? No one really, we are all people, and we have flaws, corruption does not depend on ideology, I just do not trust the government.

And no, I cannot imagine a world without competition, it would be a world without scientific / technological advance, capitalism is not perfect, but it has given us everything we have today.

 

[jgm63]

There's truth to what you are saying. Unabated Deforestation(like you mentioned),Loose Emission norms, destroying ecologically sensitive areas should not be allowed under capitalist systems but it is difficult to determine the correct balance between environment and human well being . Besides capitalism could itself solve these problems by driving down the costs of clean technologies like solar power,windmills and electric cars.

I suppose my use of "capitalism" refers to "capitalism as it is currently implemented".
I'm no expert on economic definitions, etc.
What I do know is that for humanity to live in harmony with the earth requires truly wise leaders, and unity.
And if there is some "money" type concept, then the system must be run by non corrupt people who truly understand the greater good.

If humanity obtained true spiritual knowledge then religions would naturally vanish, since in the direct knowledge of God, all religions disappear since the directness and reality of that state of consciousness requires no past reference or structures based on the past, etc.

Anyhow, I believe the solution to all of these matters is coming, as discussed here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...r-ills-it-must-be-destroyed.39192/post-724182

And who are those who have wisdom and are free from corruption? No one really, we are all people, and we have flaws, corruption does not depend on ideology, I just do not trust the government.

And no, I cannot imagine a world without competition, it would be a world without scientific / technological advance, capitalism is not perfect, but it has given us everything we have today.

Just because you haven't seen it or can't imagine it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

We would need leaders who have minimal corruption, so people who are "service to others" rather than "service to self".
I believe our leaders should be deeply spiritual people, who are enlightened and have direct consciousness of God.

As stated above, I believe the solution to all of these matters is coming, as discussed here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...r-ills-it-must-be-destroyed.39192/post-724182

 

[Eren]

I suppose my use of "capitalism" refers to "capitalism as it is currently implemented".
I'm no expert on economic definitions, etc.
What I do know is that for humanity to live in harmony with the earth requires truly wise leaders, and unity.
And if there is some "money" type concept, then the system must be run by non corrupt people who truly understand the greater good.

If humanity obtained true spiritual knowledge then religions would naturally vanish, since in the direct knowledge of God, all religions disappear since the directness and reality of that state of consciousness requires no past reference or structures based on the past, etc.

Anyhow, I believe the solution to all of these matters is coming, as discussed here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...r-ills-it-must-be-destroyed.39192/post-724182

Just because you haven't seen it or can't imagine it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

We would need leaders who have minimal corruption, so people who are "service to others" rather than "service to self".
I believe our leaders should be deeply spiritual people, who are enlightened and have direct consciousness of God.

As stated above, I believe the solution to all of these matters is coming, as discussed here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...r-ills-it-must-be-destroyed.39192/post-724182

It's not that I can't imagine it, it's just impossible, it goes against human nature, nobody goes to work for free without any incentive.

Why should they believe in God? Believing in God does not make you better people, nor does it make you more or less capable, nor does it take away all the defects that we human beings have.

Just take a look at how people live in different parts of the world, countries that have a stronger government tend to be poorer and have a lower quality of life.

 

[jgm63]

It's not that I can't imagine it, it's just impossible, it goes against human nature, nobody goes to work for free without any incentive.

Why should they believe in God? Believing in God does not make you better people, nor does it make you more or less capable, nor does it take away all the defects that we human beings have.

Just take a look at how people live in different parts of the world, countries that have a stronger government tend to be poorer and have a lower quality of life.

[ in my opinion ]
I'm not saying there can't be any concept of money.
I'm just saying it has to be managed under a system that is managed with true wisdom, where outrageous inbalances are not allowed.

Human nature is an evolving consciousness.
The enormous wipeout that is coming will transform human consciousness in deep and fundamental ways.
Humanity will regain it's spiritual connection with source (God), and will understand the need to serve a greater good.
A new life on earth will then become possible.

 

[limpingtowardfreedom]

It's not capitalism that does this. We have not had free market capitalism in many decades. Free market capitalism is where there is no government involvement in the market economy. What we have in the US is fascism, communism, and socialism. Pretty much all the same. Most other places are not free market either because of central government and central banking. The ruling class graduallly takes away freedom so slowly that u don't realize u had been living under socialism which means slavery this whole time.
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ayn rand lived on welfare and was generally completely full of it

 

[Final Escape]

ayn rand lived on welfare and was generally completely full of it

Ayn Rand was very smart actually. If the state doesn't give u much alternatives to receiving welfare in old age u kind of are forced to be on it. The state did away with private charity a long time ago and decided to push all the welfare programs instead. Discouraging women from having kids also makes u depend on the state more when normally your family would care for u in old age.

 

[epic]

I suppose my use of "capitalism" refers to "capitalism as it is currently implemented".
I'm no expert on economic definitions, etc.
What I do know is that for humanity to live in harmony with the earth requires truly wise leaders, and unity.
And if there is some "money" type concept, then the system must be run by non corrupt people who truly understand the greater good.

If humanity obtained true spiritual knowledge then religions would naturally vanish, since in the direct knowledge of God, all religions disappear since the directness and reality of that state of consciousness requires no past reference or structures based on the past, etc.

Anyhow, I believe the solution to all of these matters is coming, as discussed here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...r-ills-it-must-be-destroyed.39192/post-724182

You have the wrong notion of capitalism.
"Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit." -Wikipedia definition.
It is purely an economic theory, it has nothing to do with corrupt people or religion.

 

[jgm63]

You have the wrong notion of capitalism.
"Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit." -Wikipedia definition.
It is purely an economic theory, it has nothing to do with corrupt people or religion.

Fair enough, well I guess my terminology may be inaccurate and perhaps I should be referring to the "current western mainstream economic and political systems", although in layman terms, most people would probably just shortcut that as "capitalism", rightly or wrongly.

However, I accept that my nomenclature may be inaccurate, so fair enough....