Discussion Can somebody be suicidal and not be medically depressed ?

[epic]

Is there anyone on this forum who has told their shrink they are suicidal but has not got diagnosed with depression ?
Is being suicidal an automatic diagnosis of depression ?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Yes. I dont think refusing to live an inferior life is a sign of depression. I think it is logical.

 

[Mr. ‘K so?]

Usually they're called adrenaline junkies or people who do overly dangerous stuff for fun.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, it's not an "illness" having awareness that existence isn't worth enduring, I know that I could never be delusional enough to want to exist in this horrific world where there is unlimited potential to suffer, as well as that life really is something so unnecessary and futile so therefore suicide is a perfectly logical response to existing here. We are all destined to die anyway so I think that it would make a lot of sense for someone to want to take control over their inevitable fate and prevent unnecessary suffering in the process.

And anyway therapy is a scam, I don't know why anyone would be open about their wish to die unless they want to suffer more in a psych ward. The whole view that suicide is "irrational" is a lie which people are brainwashed into believing so that the society doesn't lose it's slaves.

 

[scamper]

I was never diagnosed with depression and I still want to ctb. I don't even think I have any form of depression. I'm not ctbing to avoid the present, but rather the future. In fact, I like my life right now and am satisfied most of the time. Still want to die, though. It just makes sense for my particular life situation.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think they are at least beginning to acknowledge that people can be ideologically suicidal without being depressed.

I posed a question in the 'off topic' section the other day- about how likely it would be that the majority of us (I suspect) WOULD likely be diagnosed with depression. I included the following questionnaire- which is pretty similar to one I remember filling out:

Patient health questionnaire

The Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9) is an easy-to-use patient questionnaire for screening, diagnosing, monitoring and measuring the severity of depression.

patient.info

Interestingly- if ONLY the box pertaining to thoughts of suicide/ self harm is checked- the outcome is 'normal'. I think it only tends to be 'depression' when other boxes start being checked- which- I suspect they would be in many of our cases. Obviously this is a VERY rudimentary test but interesting huh?

I would say I am only mildly depressed. I'm certainly lethargic but I CAN function in life. I can hold down a job, my sleeping patterns are ok. My appetite is ok. Most importantly though- I think- I think suicide is still a good option when I am relatively happy. Even in my very best moments- I would be happy to leave this all behind because OVERALL- I don't believe life is worth it. The struggle versus pleasure simply doesn't equate and the joyous parts aren't so brilliant to make me think it is worth putting in more effort to get more of them!

 

[orca87]

Is being suicidal an automatic diagnosis of depression ?

Yes. Because the diagnosis of depression is given through clinical symptoms, suicidality being one of these.

Is it an illness? I'm not sure…

My theory on depression

After ruminating about my own life, a lot of reading in this forum, and some valuable conversations in private messages, I found some common patterns that lead me to develop my own theory about depression. What is depression? There are many forms of depression in ICD-10 and DSM-5, and all of...

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[Rational man]

Im not diagnosed with depression but I will cease to exist because of serious illness. My intention is to cease by legal means when the disease consumes my body and quality.of life. Its a plan and thought out with rationale.

 

[epic]

Im not diagnosed with depression but I will cease to exist because of serious illness. My intention is to cease by legal means when the disease consumes my body and quality.of life. Its a plan and thought out with rationale.

I was never diagnosed with depression and I still want to ctb. I don't even think I have any form of depression. I'm not ctbing to avoid the present, but rather the future. In fact, I like my life right now and am satisfied most of the time. Still want to die, though. It just makes sense for my particular life situation.

Did both of you tell your shrink you are suicidal before getting your diagnosis ?

 

[Rational man]

Did both of you tell your shrink you are suicidal before getting your diagnosis ?

I've never seen a shrink. My cessation methodology is based on my medical condition. I have no intention of dying in a brutal and painful way. unlike my mother who died appallingly.

 

[epic]

Interestingly- if ONLY the box pertaining to thoughts of suicide/ self harm is checked- the outcome is 'normal'. I think it only tends to be 'depression' when other boxes start being checked- which- I suspect they would be in many of our cases. Obviously this is a VERY rudimentary test but interesting huh?

Very interesting.

I think they are at least beginning to acknowledge that people can be ideologically suicidal without being depressed.

Exactly , Reminds me of seeing euthanasia videos on youtube where the person is making a rational decision to end his/her life. I doubt they will qualify as depressed if that link is used as a benchmark.

 

[scamper]

I was never diagnosed. I visited a psychiatrist once but I don't think "recovery" is for me. I don't see suicide as a bad thing that I have to run away from.

 

[Catastrofe]

I am suicidal but not depressed.
I am passionated to some things, my life sucks atm but I had very happy times and I still enjoy life. Also, even though I have the feeling life has no meaning or value in itself, I find its value and meaning in the people and things I love.
My suicidal thoughts come from a very weird love story I lived, that caused me a lot of pain, stress, and made me kinda loosing my best friends who were the most significant people for me. Also, that person I still love is now happily with someone else whIle I cannot overcome a single think that happened between us.

 

[Leagueofgentlemen]

Yes. I don't want to go but my debilitating illness has stolen my life and taken away all hope. I don't have depression though I used to. I'm stuck in the house unable to work or even watch TV or read and my energy has been sapped. I have the most wonderful family and live in a nice place but my hopes of living independently have been dashed. Have already tried twice but they weren't probable ways. I think life can be very enjoyable but I am no longer able to, all because I didn't quit drinking earlier.

 

[terminalending]

Is there anyone on this forum who has told their shrink they are suicidal but has not got diagnosed with depression ?
Is being suicidal an automatic diagnosis of depression ?

Yes, I don't think suicidal thoughts are inherently a characteristic of depressed people. If anything it is logical.

 

[Mortalist]

Yes, I don't think suicidal thoughts are inherently a characteristic of depressed people. If anything it is logical.

I agree. I believe this also is the groundwork of how they do it in Switzerland. They offer assisted dying, but they allow it only if the desire to die doesn't come from any influence that might significantly affect ones ability to make such judgement. I'm not sure how one would determine that, but you are required to talk with a therapist, who I guess will figure that out. I personally believe this is a rational restriction.

 

[borderline-feline]

I was diagnosed with depression as a child, but it was a misdiagnosis. Every symptom I match is better explained by trauma and obesity than it is by depression.

There are plenty of reasons why someone could struggle with suicidal ideation, and they're not exclusive to depresdion by any means.

 

[AresCohere]

Despite being forced to go to therapy, I have been able to lie and hide my way through avoiding any diagnosis.

However my parents have noriced my "unusual" behavior and my frequent "panic attacks" that have been getting more and more common recently.

My school had also reported me do to, oddly enough, what I wrote in my memior in english and for some stuff about student loan debts in personal finance (im already projected to be 70-140k in debt soon).

Hopefully when it comes for me to CTB I can frame it as an accident and with no clear note or depression diagnosis it should minimize the pain people who know me feel (if they even care about me anymore lol).

 

[CentreMid]

Is there anyone on this forum who has told their shrink they are suicidal but has not got diagnosed with depression ?
Is being suicidal an automatic diagnosis of depression ?

No, I don't think suicidality is inherently an indicator of depression. People die by suicide for all sorts of reasons, some of which lead what we would deem "normal" and "healthy" lives. There are also people with other illnesses that aren't depression that would cause them to feel suicidal as well

 

[feelingtrapped]

Yes. I dont think refusing to live an inferior life is a sign of depression. I think it is logical.

100% agree

 

[TowerRoad]

I got 20 out of 27 on the test...Severe Depression.