Butane&exit bag method

[tweaka2x]

Ive been thinking if it would be reliable to ctb by using a simple canister of butane and an exit bag. Butane rapidly displaces oxygen in the lungs which can cause you to pass out pretty quickly its also painless and very euphoric. Deaths from butane inhalation are very common but they are all accidental. Im trying to manufacture a way to make this dangerous inhalant a good painless accessible ctb method.

 

[befree]

Is there a reason why you don´t want to use an inert gas (helium, nitrogen) ?

 

[plastic]

I experimented with this method using a bag and a small tank to fill the lighter. I dropped a small amount of butane into the bag and very quickly began to pass out, literally at the last moment I took the bag off my head. I think it already happened in less than a minute. As for the feeling, I suffocated much easier, and the slight fainting is like a kind of anesthesia. That's my experience with butane.

 

[befree]

I´m always amazed that people do experiments, especially with methods ans substances that can lead to permanent brain damage.

 

[plastic]

I´m always amazed that people do experiments, especially with methods ans substances that can lead to permanent brain damage.

Brain damage only occurs if someone is pass out for a long time. Suffocation to the point of pass out alone can hardly cause brain damage.
Normally I am into suffocation with bags over 45 years because it calms me down and I wouldn't say I had brain damage, if that had happened I might have been better suited for this world.

 

[befree]

Brain damage only occurs if someone is pass out for a long time.

3 minutes are enough for brain damage. For me 3 minutes is not a long time.

 

[plastic]

"3 minutes are enough for brain damage. For me 3 minutes is not a long time."

As long as someone has not in pass out it means that there is a certain amount of oxygen in bllodthe blood. When that disappears, brain damage occurs. People snorkel for 3 and a half minutes or more, so they don't have brain damage. I used bag to about 4 and a half minutes and nothing happened to me, and I did that at least 200 times.

 

[counting-out-time]

Just a thought, what about good old gas that we get coming into houses, i mean its a gas that can kill you and has no odor so what if you put a remote valve on the end and set it to go off when your sleeping (around 1-5am) and the best thing is you will be sleeping for a long time and hopefully never wake up. i remember my mum saying to me its the silent killer so i wonder why not many people go down this route of suicide?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Just a thought, what about good old gas that we get coming into houses, i mean its a gas that can kill you and has no odor so what if you put a remote valve on the end and set it to go off when your sleeping (around 1-5am) and the best thing is you will be sleeping for a long time and hopefully never wake up. i remember my mum saying to me its the silent killer so i wonder why not many people go down this route of suicide?

That is methane and it is not toxic by itself. In the end it's suffocation because you don't breath enough oxygen any more. This idea comes with a high risk of a possible explosion as well because the gas will not stop filling the room after you don't breath any more.

Why experimenting with other methods than the proven ones like inertgas / N2 or the CO method, CO is definitely lethal by itself within minutes given a high concentration.

I don't get it.

 

[Vizzy]

Just a thought, what about good old gas that we get coming into houses, i mean its a gas that can kill you and has no odor so what if you put a remote valve on the end and set it to go off when your sleeping (around 1-5am) and the best thing is you will be sleeping for a long time and hopefully never wake up. i remember my mum saying to me its the silent killer so i wonder why not many people go down this route of suicide?

Because it can kill others around you too, when someone try to recover you

 

[plastic]

Why experimenting with other methods than the proven ones like inertgas / N2 or the CO method, CO is definitely lethal by itself within minutes given a high concentration.

Because not all people in the world have the opportunity to get these gases or other peaceful methods for ctb and they need alternatives.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Because not all people in the world have the opportunity to get these gases or other peaceful methods for ctb and they need alternatives.

Don't they sell charcoal in your country? Is nobody ever having a BBQ there? Yes I understand that the inert gas method is difficult in some countries to find all stuff needed for it and it's expensive. I don't want to stop you performing your plan, definitely not, but you said "just a thought", and I added my thought.

 

[counting-out-time]

Because it can kill others around you too, when someone try to recover you

good point but i mean rather than filling a house full of gas, maybe just use the inert method but with gas and probably send out a delayed text/email to someone to mention that there is a gas leak. or better maybe do it in a caravan or car, only issue is one small flame and that saves the bill of a cremation, jesus im morbid!

 

[Vizzy]

good point but i mean rather than filling a house full of gas, maybe just use the inert method but with gas and probably send out a delayed text/email to someone to mention that there is a gas leak. or better maybe do it in a caravan or car, only issue is one small flame and that saves the bill of a cremation, jesus im morbid!

You mean fill the place with inert gas?

 

[counting-out-time]

yeah sorta, i just found this also on google about LPG gas, think this might work

Can LPG cause asphyxiation?


at high concentrations, gas displaces air to cause asphyxiation. the butane component of LPG has the potential to cause toxic effect.
sod SN or helium, LPG all the way if it works

 

[Vizzy]

You mean fill the place with inert gas?

You need a lot of inert gas (I mean a lot) to fill a caravan or car

Inert gases are non-combustible, non-flammable, and non-reactive to many materials. Examples include argon, helium, nitrogen, and neon so no cremation will happen if you light a flame

 

[plastic]

good point but i mean rather than filling a house full of gas, maybe just use the inert method but with gas and probably send out a delayed text/email to someone to mention that there is a gas leak. or better maybe do it in a caravan or car, only issue is one small flame and that saves the bill of a cremation, jesus im morbid!

With this gas method, you can only be sure that you will not injure other people if you do it somewhere in the open, where this gas will be used for the exit bag.

 

[Vizzy]

yeah sorta, i just found this also on google about LPG gas, think this might work

Can LPG cause asphyxiation?


at high concentrations, gas displaces air to cause asphyxiation. the butane component of LPG has the potential to cause toxic effect.
sod SN or helium, LPG all the way if it works

Don't play with lpg, that's highly flammable and others can get affected

 

[counting-out-time]

thats a point, guess its all down to planning using the right gas and making everything right and yeah not kill anyone else.

or what happened to zyclon b? it was used for murdering people when hitler killed people

 

[Praestat_Mori]

You also will have to make sure the room you are in is absolutely airtight, otherwise you may not be able to increase the amount of gas to a concentration that is needed not to have enough oxygen any more. That's why lethal gases in this case are to be preferred.

 

[Vizzy]

thats a point, guess its all down to planning using the right gas and making everything right and yeah not kill anyone else.

or what happened to zyclon b? it was used for murdering people when hitler killed people

lol don't get confuse

I think you talking about inert gas method right ?

 

[counting-out-time]

erm i am confused now lol

 

[Vizzy]

thats a point, guess its all down to planning using the right gas and making everything right and yeah not kill anyone else.

or what happened to zyclon b? it was used for murdering people when hitler killed people

That's a cyanide based pesticide lmao, it is painful and no peace

Cyanide is hard to obtain now a days

 

[Praestat_Mori]

thats a point, guess its all down to planning using the right gas and making everything right and yeah not kill anyone else.

or what happened to zyclon b? it was used for murdering people when hitler killed people

Zyclon B is HCN afaik. If you want a painful death you can get KCN (potassiumcyanide). If you can't obtain it, you can make it at home from harmless chemicals. Search with appropriate keywords. It's not too difficult.

 

[plastic]

Don't they sell charcoal in your country? Is nobody ever having a BBQ there? Yes I understand that the inert gas method is difficult in some countries to find all stuff needed for it and it's expensive. I don't want to stop you performing your plan, definitely not, but you said "just a thought", and I added my thought.

I am not talking about the possibility of buying coal. Maybe someone doesn't have the option for that either. You won't suffocate with CO if you can't create the conditions for it. What if someone can't secure a space where possible.

 

[Vizzy]

I am not talking about the possibility of buying coal. Maybe someone doesn't have the option for that either. You won't suffocate with CO if you can't create the conditions for it. What if someone can't secure a space where possible.

Co doesn't make you suffocate it's a silent killer, you have to create a co environment in a tent or small room

Try to secure a place, how you do butane if you don't have secure place Which is more dangerous?

I am not talking about the possibility of buying coal. Maybe someone doesn't have the option for that either. You won't suffocate with CO if you can't create the conditions for it. What if someone can't secure a space where possible.

Buy a tent and do co method in a wooded area

 

[plastic]

Co doesn't make you suffocate it's a silent killer, you have to create a co environment in a tent or small room

Try to secure a place, how you do butane if you don't have secure place Which is more dangerous?
Buy a tent and do co method in a wooded area

I'm speaking hypothetically, I'm not saying that's my method. I tried putting butane in the bag (it's such a small amount that it can't cause an explosion) and see what happens. ... people from developed countries can hardly understand that maybe some people in the world are extremely poor and maybe they can't buy anything but have to CTB with what they have or people can't create the conditions for some methods. That is why it is necessary to have alternatives in everything. That's what I'm talking about.

 

[Vizzy]

I'm speaking hypothetically, I'm not saying that's my method. I tried putting butane in the bag (it's such a small amount that it can't cause an explosion) and see what happens. ... people from developed countries can hardly understand that maybe some people in the world are extremely poor and maybe they can't buy anything but have to CTB with what they have or people can't create the conditions for some methods. That is why it is necessary to have alternatives in everything. That's what I'm talking about.

I have lived both western and eastern world, co using charcoal, charcoal is not expensive in any country

Wooded area is found in every country, tent is not expensive

If a person is from developing or poor country, I will advice them to buy sn for ctb because it is readily available in those countries with no restrictions and pretty cheap

In India I can get sn for 500 rupees
In Thailand for 200 baht
In Nigeria for 2000 Naira

 

[Sad Bear]

So how much Butane would you need for this to work effectively? I also live in a country where there are little resources to ctb

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Just a thought, what about good old gas that we get coming into houses, i mean its a gas that can kill you and has no odor so what if you put a remote valve on the end and set it to go off when your sleeping (around 1-5am) and the best thing is you will be sleeping for a long time and hopefully never wake up. i remember my mum saying to me its the silent killer so i wonder why not many people go down this route of suicide?

Many years ago the most popular ctb method was stove gas which was coal gas. People could just put their heads in the unlit oven and turn on the gas. But they stopped using poisonous coal gas about 90 years ago. Same deal with automobile exhaust. They are no longer deadly.