Anyone else feel like their views, ideals, and experiences are incompatible with the world, further fueling the desire to ctb?

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I am an anti-natalist, which means I have assigned a negative value to birth. I believe that if we are all going to be wiped out by climate change in a few decades to millenia, the kindest thing you can do is not have children to suffer through it. Not just climate change, but the suffering that is basal to life, the struggle for survival and the hedonistic treadmill, is something I would never put a child through even if I do have the desire to be a mother.

Naturally, my view is incompatible with the belief systems of 99% of the population. Natalists have told me that I should just kill myself if I think life is not beautiful and amazing. They have told me and several other ANs that we failed at life, called us pathetic virgins (which I'm not a virgin, but nice ad hominen, shaming people who don't have sex) and said that our beliefs are a delusion of the mentally ill. They are allowed their views, yet it is unacceptable to them that people can be against procreation, and many of them online have called me ignorant for believing in fucking climate change of all things.

I do not support the modern economic system of capitalism, and also have been insulted for reading the works of Lenin, Marx, Engles, and so on, even if I do not agree with every proposal these men offer in their writing. My views on the mental health system and their hackneyed "suicide prevention" get treated like the ramblings of a madman. Why is it so scandalous to state that the current system is not working for many people?

You get told by normies that it's your fault. That every obstacle is surmountable by the indicidual with consistent perseverance and a positive attitude. Instead of reforming the health care system and advocating for new treatments and services, they'd rather you make like Sisyphus and push a boulder for eternity, stuck in stasis.


After being sexually abused by a doctor and opening up to people about it, I asked why modern medicine cannot respect people's bodily autonomy and develop new screening procedures that are less invasive. This would decrease the rate at which many people are put in a position to have their consent ignored and get abused. I was told part of being a woman is losing your modesty and being able to accept that doctors have the right to refuse treatment and help if you don't want to have your body on display to a total stranger. They don't want to change anything and they don't care about people who suffered sexual abuse.

Whenever I tell people that hiring procedures in workplaces discriminate against disabled people they tell you that's just how life is and you need to accept that it's unfair. Whenever I say that workplaces take advantage of people frequently and that you shouldn't be forced to work 40 hrs a week when it's not necessary, they defend it like the exploitation of their labor is a necessary evil.

I cannot cope with people turning a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Maybe that makes me weak, but I can't stand living in a world where no one gives a damn and mocks my beliefs and ideas. Chronic illness is the main reason I want to ctb but feeling like an alien contributes to the desire quite a bit.

Do you all feel similar?

 

[WornOutLife]

I am, well, I've become an anti-natalist too!
As Nickelback once sang:

"Against the grain, should be a way of life."

I understand how you feel. I just like doing many things normal people won't ever do.
To put an example, MUSIC! I listen TO ALL KINDS OF MUSIC! Popular bands and bands that NOBODY KNOWS lol. Also, the genres and languages vary. Most people in my town can only listen to spanish music! I listen to japanese, italian, english, korean and all-over-the-world-music

Before becoming a NEET, I was able to have a nice job and also be a proud freak! My workmates looked at me in a strange way because I was 30 and LOVED anime and manga but my students LOVED that lol.

What I mean is, I don't give a f*ck about life anymore but it's okay to be incompatible with this world.

We, people on SS, are compatible with each other at least :)

 

[sadworld]

Nice to see some fellow anti-natalists here!

Great post by the way. I feel exactly like you!

 

[Endeavour]

I think normies have a very insular view, they watch strictly come dancing and eastenders and whatever other guff is spoon fed to them via the gogglebox and don't think beyond that.

But when you consider that biodiversity is really important, and yet across the earth the break down of mammals is 60% livestock, 36% humans, and only 4% wild animals we can see that we're a major threat to life on earth.

In 1961 there were 3 Billion people eating an average of 20kg of meat per year. Now there are 7.8 Billion of us eating an average of 43 KG of meat per year.

A KG of beef requires 25KG of dry animal feed, so between 1961 to now we've gone from needing 1.5 Billion metric tonnes per year of animal feed to over 8 Billion, and meat only makes up c.17% to 18% of our calories.

The consequence is a rapid expansion into, and destruction of huge areas of natural habitat, and this has pushed 1 million of the 8 million species on earth towards extinction.

f the 28,000 species facing imminent extinction, 24,000 can be directly attributed to livestock or livestock agriculture (feed).

I think it's like those big dominoes layouts - you knock over the first one and they spread out in all directions and once it's going you can't stop it.

We push animals from their natural habitat they've taken thousands of years to adapt to, they move to new habitats and upset the balance there forcing other animals to move, and each time something becomes endangered, and of course they take their own diseases with them that the others have no resistance to - so it jumps species, mutates, and then........ covid.

Etc.

God I'm a miserable git.

 

[Kat!]

Love your post but

 

[Spitfire]

I am an anti-natalist, which means I have assigned a negative value to birth. I believe that if we are all going to be wiped out by climate change in a few decades to millenia, the kindest thing you can do is not have children to suffer through it. Not just climate change, but the suffering that is basal to life, the struggle for survival and the hedonistic treadmill, is something I would never put a child through even if I do have the desire to be a mother.

Naturally, my view is incompatible with the belief systems of 99% of the population. Natalists have told me that I should just kill myself if I think life is not beautiful and amazing. They have told me and several other ANs that we failed at life, called us pathetic virgins (which I'm not a virgin, but nice ad hominen, shaming people who don't have sex) and said that our beliefs are a delusion of the mentally ill. They are allowed their views, yet it is unacceptable to them that people can be against procreation, and many of them online have called me ignorant for believing in fucking climate change of all things.

I do not support the modern economic system of capitalism, and also have been insulted for reading the works of Lenin, Marx, Engles, and so on, even if I do not agree with every proposal these men offer in their writing. My views on the mental health system and their hackneyed "suicide prevention" get treated like the ramblings of a madman. Why is it so scandalous to state that the current system is not working for many people?

You get told by normies that it's your fault. That every obstacle is surmountable by the indicidual with consistent perseverance and a positive attitude. Instead of reforming the health care system and advocating for new treatments and services, they'd rather you make like Sisyphus and push a boulder for eternity, stuck in stasis.


After being sexually abused by a doctor and opening up to people about it, I asked why modern medicine cannot respect people's bodily autonomy and develop new screening procedures that are less invasive. This would decrease the rate at which many people are put in a position to have their consent ignored and get abused. I was told part of being a woman is losing your modesty and being able to accept that doctors have the right to refuse treatment and help if you don't want to have your body on display to a total stranger. They don't want to change anything and they don't care about people who suffered sexual abuse.

Whenever I tell people that hiring procedures in workplaces discriminate against disabled people they tell you that's just how life is and you need to accept that it's unfair. Whenever I say that workplaces take advantage of people frequently and that you shouldn't be forced to work 40 hrs a week when it's not necessary, they defend it like the exploitation of their labor is a necessary evil.

I cannot cope with people turning a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Maybe that makes me weak, but I can't stand living in a world where no one gives a damn and mocks my beliefs and ideas. Chronic illness is the main reason I want to ctb but feeling like an alien contributes to the desire quite a bit.

Do you all feel similar?

There was a doctor I worked in an ER with who had it policy for ALL people brought back in a room, the main side, a hallway stretcher, and in ambulatory care, etc... No matter how big or small the chief complaint coming in everyone gets naked down to their underwear. A few but this one was super strict always about it.

I always thought this was a ridiculous blanket policy and we frequently clashed heads over it whenever we were ever working together, because I thought it was wrong to enforce such a thing on all people always and it would confuse many people too, because they would be like why and not understand what would be the reason for the policy?

I do not know if that is meaningful or makes sense?

I did a ton of research on climate change and global warming crisis too, during the past. I was involved on another forum at a moment in time and was doing it because of the nonsense things some of the other people were claiming the anti global warming climate change narrative alarmist stuff. Mostly because I was interested in the subject though, actually fascinated by it!

It is seriously difficult to understand it and seriously takes much time and thinking and researching dedicated to get a decent understanding of the science with climatology. The political is soo hard to wade through it all if you do not get reliable non biased heavily scrutinized peer reviewed and widely accepted scientific literature for information. Then, you have to be able and decipher the information to form a scientific knowledge about it, and it gets complicated quickly. . .

I liked to go to the academic forums to interact and read about it from their perspectives. Their particular flavor if banter is very difficult to follow when they get into it and start discussing with each other about it. The equations and base terminology alone made me feel, oh, less than intelligent, but I tried to get an understanding of the scope of the crisis.

 

[demuic]

I am an anti-natalist, which means I have assigned a negative value to birth. I believe that if we are all going to be wiped out by climate change in a few decades to millenia, the kindest thing you can do is not have children to suffer through it. Not just climate change, but the suffering that is basal to life, the struggle for survival and the hedonistic treadmill, is something I would never put a child through even if I do have the desire to be a mother.

Naturally, my view is incompatible with the belief systems of 99% of the population. Natalists have told me that I should just kill myself if I think life is not beautiful and amazing. They have told me and several other ANs that we failed at life, called us pathetic virgins (which I'm not a virgin, but nice ad hominen, shaming people who don't have sex) and said that our beliefs are a delusion of the mentally ill. They are allowed their views, yet it is unacceptable to them that people can be against procreation, and many of them online have called me ignorant for believing in fucking climate change of all things.

I do not support the modern economic system of capitalism, and also have been insulted for reading the works of Lenin, Marx, Engles, and so on, even if I do not agree with every proposal these men offer in their writing. My views on the mental health system and their hackneyed "suicide prevention" get treated like the ramblings of a madman. Why is it so scandalous to state that the current system is not working for many people?

You get told by normies that it's your fault. That every obstacle is surmountable by the indicidual with consistent perseverance and a positive attitude. Instead of reforming the health care system and advocating for new treatments and services, they'd rather you make like Sisyphus and push a boulder for eternity, stuck in stasis.


After being sexually abused by a doctor and opening up to people about it, I asked why modern medicine cannot respect people's bodily autonomy and develop new screening procedures that are less invasive. This would decrease the rate at which many people are put in a position to have their consent ignored and get abused. I was told part of being a woman is losing your modesty and being able to accept that doctors have the right to refuse treatment and help if you don't want to have your body on display to a total stranger. They don't want to change anything and they don't care about people who suffered sexual abuse.

Whenever I tell people that hiring procedures in workplaces discriminate against disabled people they tell you that's just how life is and you need to accept that it's unfair. Whenever I say that workplaces take advantage of people frequently and that you shouldn't be forced to work 40 hrs a week when it's not necessary, they defend it like the exploitation of their labor is a necessary evil.

I cannot cope with people turning a blind eye to injustice and unfairness. Maybe that makes me weak, but I can't stand living in a world where no one gives a damn and mocks my beliefs and ideas. Chronic illness is the main reason I want to ctb but feeling like an alien contributes to the desire quite a bit.

Do you all feel similar?

I feel exactly the same.

I don't relate to or comprehend most human beings and don't want to. Beliefs such as religion, wanting children, wanting to blend in with the crowd and follow everybody else like a sheep.

Most people don't use critical thinking and just believe in whatever "authority," despite the fact that any authority you can believe in can be and often is wrong, and self-serving.

My views as an atheist are what first lead me to start questioning everything even the things that other human beings consider "sacred", which similarly lead me to my disgust at the current economic system, and to anti-natalism. This similarly puts me at odds with most of human society.

I have always felt incompatible with the world and like an alien. I don't want to be here, around people who seem like little more than senseless automatons jabbering on about whatever someone else told them. There are some truly insightful and great people out there, but naturally they all end up beaten down by society as well.

People love to paint these beliefs as coming from madness and insanity, which is an easy way to try and discredit them without even taking them into consideration. More earth goes around the sun type shit.

These are the main reasons for my CTB. Anything else is just shit icing on the shit cake.

 

[charlottewilts]

the inability to understand an opposing worldview is a hallmark sign of a lack of empathy ! you never see these people get locked up for their beliefs, but if you question the status quo, or worse yet dare to actively oppose it, you go to prison or the psych ward (which are, honestly, synonymous if the latter isn't worse in my experience)

the majority of the world is brainwashed - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! - and there's no point in trying to convince anybody that drugs/abortion/suicide aren't bad,

there are political reasons for why certain things are forbidden, as i mentioned in order: drugs are illegal so cartels, which are connected to the government make money, abortion is condemned/illegal in attempts to halt declining birth rates, and suicide is condemned because a dead man can't contribute to the economy (except the funeral industry, but everybody wants their piece). on the topic of suicide, in Rome suicide was seen as a honourable act when done by patricians (the uppermost social class) but when slaves started committing suicide en masse, it suddenly became a problem! and thus our modern views of suicide were born.

people are brainwashed a la Brave New World - only consensually - just look at Hollywood and what all is shilled on social media, advertisements, schools! circe et panem, and the masses won't care to riot!

and unfortunately as wonderful as communism seems as a system, it only looks good on paper. in reality, no matter what kind of system you put in place, there will always be a small percent of the population which exploits the majority. humans have barely evolved from animals, natural selection / survival of the fittest (luckiest, most cruel, what you'd like to call it) still prevails

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I never expect anyone to understand the nonsense I come out with. Mostly I keep it to myself. A little less though, on here. It used to bother me. It doesn't anymore.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Love your post but
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To clarify I am not a full on communist, I just like many of the ideas from leftist literature. There are many flaws with communism and socialism, especially due to things like Lenin and Engles denying the existence of things like overpopulation and resource scarcity because they hated Malthus and neo-Malthusianism. Any system has problems and will not fix everything, but i think covid has shown it is time for the winds of change, whatever they may bring. Or people will be too stubborn to implement anything new and cling onto past ideals.

I like the meme though

 

[Endeavour]

There are many flaws with everything, I'd say right now the major flaw on Earth is there are too many Humans. That's not me being ooh I want to die, it's a fact. There are too many of us using too many resources on useless shit. And eating too much. God do we eat too much. It's not fat shaming, it's the end of the fucking world if we don't stop eating it into oblivion.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

There are many flaws with everything, I'd say right now the major flaw on Earth is there are too many Humans. That's not me being ooh I want to die, it's a fact. There are too many of us using too many resources on useless shit. And eating too much. God do we eat too much. It's not fat shaming, it's the end of the fucking world if we don't stop eating it into oblivion.

I agree 100% and I see lots of people who share my political beliefs who think there is a magic solution that doesn't involve de-growth and scaling down, gasp, the economy and the agriculture industry that pumps animals full of hormones to fatten them up and prolong their lifespans, leeches the nutrients from the soil due to overuse and mass implementation of chemical fertilisers and pesticides, throws out most of the product yield while there's people starving on the streets, and so many more marvelous things that are ruining the planet and going to make it impossible for ANY humans to live in the future.

Yet we still have programmes showing people who pop out 13 kids and the media tells them how brave they are, when no one can take care of so many children, and also they are accelerating climate change by being unable to do the simple task of putting a rubber on.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

they'd rather you make like Sisyphus and push a boulder for eternity, stuck in stasis.

Bootstraps! Seriously though, it's ridiculous. People can be so selfish and ignorant. Your post is wonderful, and I agree with what you say.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

who i am just is incompatible with society. i guess were not on the same" level"

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Funny because I actually feel incompatible with the way the world is becoming because I'm too traditional in some ways. Then again I'm in California and things are weird there. If socialism is your thing just go live there. Nobody under the age of 40 will question you.

I don't think there's anywhere I can go being more conservative though because I'm not white. That's why I feel like I don't really fit in anywhere...

 

[RainAndSadness]

I feel you a lot. I'm also an anti-natalist and I'm convinced I'm not supposed to be in this place. I don't belong in this society. I live in a cruel world with cruel people and I simply refuse to accept that. I shouldn't have been born and I was never made to survive this cruelty. So there definitely are some philosophical arguments that at least support my suicide ideation from a rational and logical perspective.

 

[262653]

To the title, yes. I think people get together because of common goals, and almost everything people do revolves around survival, prosperity and taking roots in life. Having fundamentally different values (value of life...) and goals (...and what to do with it) makes me feel incompatible with most people. I rarely interact with other people (I wouldn't mind though; recieving feedback from people with opposing views can bring some valuable insights) so I can't relate much to other points you made, about economics, medicine, work, etc., and to be honest they don't concern me much as someone who fell out of social life.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I considered antinatalism and I respect many of the sentiments espoused by the movement. However I don't agree with it because just as I don't want my will to die to be imposed upon, so I feel it would be inconsistent to impose upon others' will to procreate. I think that the problem of suffering is much better addressed by an enforced right to die than a ban on procreation.

I also think that (this is more personal and less logical) an end to all human life would be tragic, despite how much potential horror there is within it, because there is also potential for immense beauty. It's all (apparently) luck, and we ought to provide an exit door for the unlucky should they feel they've suffered enough, because the truth is that any one of us could be that unlucky one. We can never justify the atrocities that have already taken place here and continue to take place, but it doesn't mean we should eliminate all experience because of that.

As for capitalism I'll not comment about it because I don't know enough about economics. What I do know for sure though is that it's a long way from perfect.

I absolutely relate about feeling alienated in my beliefs and seeing people just go on in life as if everything is okay when it really isn't, we have some serious issues to reckon with. I cannot, and indeed wouldn't want to force anyone to think or do anything, but it's just depressing to hear again and again: "That's life, deal with it" and similar platitudes.

 

[Nymph]

I'm an anti natalist too and I do agree with you. I feel the same way, the world is just not made for people like us and I don't want to continue living here. I don't like how it's going and it's not going to get better. If more ppl were anti natalists then we wouldn't have to suffer in this society

 

[shadowchaser]

I feel the same way. I can't imagine ever being satisfied with the idea of life that the world charts for people and the means one must force oneself to go to just to survive. It is just pointless but all those around me are so indoctrinated in the pointlessness that they are no longer capable of seeing it for what it is.

 

[Merlay]

We're on the same boat. I'm not right for this world and I just can't accept how this world works. I can't believe that there are actually people who are fine living with inequality, injustice, brutality, famine, unfairness, and poverty. I guess, they can live with that as long as they're not affected by them, as long as those bad names are their ladder to get it to the top. My thoughts and views are different from my friends and family and I feel like an alien whenever I'm with them. Glad I found SS.

 

[stygal]

Yes, yes, yes...to most of the points that have been made here.
Couldn't have put it better myself.

I'm upset that so many documentaries and scientific texts opened my eyes on climate change, overconsumption, overpopulation, politics, inequality and more.
It's much easier to live in a natalist/consumerist bubble and don't spare a thought about our (eco)system collapsing in front of our eyes. Because now on top of being mentally and physically ill - due to factors in my surrounding - I'm also depressed because I hate this status quo so fucking much.

 

[it's_all_a_game]

Yes. I feel like people nowadays are too cynical, shallow, narcissistic, unempathetic, and so on. We were against that stuff in previous generations, but, unfortunately, not now.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I considered antinatalism and I respect many of the sentiments espoused by the movement. However I don't agree with it because just as I don't want my will to die to be imposed upon, so I feel it would be inconsistent to impose upon others' will to procreate. I think that the problem of suffering is much better addressed by an enforced right to die than a ban on procreation.

I also think that (this is more personal and less logical) an end to all human life would be tragic, despite how much potential horror there is within it, because there is also potential for immense beauty. It's all (apparently) luck, and we ought to provide an exit door for the unlucky should they feel they've suffered enough, because the truth is that any one of us could be that unlucky one. We can never justify the atrocities that have already taken place here and continue to take place, but it doesn't mean we should eliminate all experience because of that.

As for capitalism I'll not comment about it because I don't know enough about economics. What I do know for sure though is that it's a long way from perfect.

I absolutely relate about feeling alienated in my beliefs and seeing people just go on in life as if everything is okay when it really isn't, we have some serious issues to reckon with. I cannot, and indeed wouldn't want to force anyone to think or do anything, but it's just depressing to hear again and again: "That's life, deal with it" and similar platitudes.

I actually would agree with your stance, I think, if humans didn't have the knowledge we have now about climate change and the heat death of the universe and explosion of the sun. Perhaps we would have been better off never discovering the fact that nature will inevitably make us extinct. In an ideal utopia, I probably wouldn't be antinatalist, but I can't justify having kids only to throw them into the fray of eventual death and possibly suffering the way all of us here are with suicidality.

Some people call it the Circle of Life and find some greater purpose in all this, but I can count the number of truly good/awe inspiring experiences in my life on one hand, while the mundane or tragic happenings are too numerous to count. A lot of people like to blame us for feeling this way, however, I had no control over my circumstances as a child which sets you up to a lifetime of bad luck if your family was abusive and neglectful.

I know exactly how you feel. It is horrible to be trapped in a world that is full of so many atrocities, and that you feel like you don't belong in. Sending much love.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

I actually would agree with your stance, I think, if humans didn't have the knowledge we have now about climate change and the heat death of the universe and explosion of the sun. Perhaps we would have been better off never discovering the fact that nature will inevitably make us extinct. In an ideal utopia, I probably wouldn't be antinatalist, but I can't justify having kids only to throw them into the fray of eventual death and possibly suffering the way all of us here are with suicidality.

Some people call it the Circle of Life and find some greater purpose in all this, but I can count the number of truly good/awe inspiring experiences in my life on one hand, while the mundane or tragic happenings are too numerous to count. A lot of people like to blame us for feeling this way, however, I had no control over my circumstances as a child which sets you up to a lifetime of bad luck if your family was abusive and neglectful.

I know exactly how you feel. It is horrible to be trapped in a world that is full of so many atrocities, and that you feel like you don't belong in. Sending much love.

Heat death of the universe does not bother me and I find it consistent with the idea of the circle of life. Global warming on the other hand is different. It is very near term - most people have no idea the scale to which the worlds governments are lying about how bad it is going to get. Its likely to lead to billions dead by century end. not good

I wish i could go to a point where i was unaware of it or i was dumb enough to believe the Al gore wishful thinking of slowly decarbonizing and "It will all work out alright"

 

[Superdeterminist]

I actually would agree with your stance, I think, if humans didn't have the knowledge we have now about climate change and the heat death of the universe and explosion of the sun. Perhaps we would have been better off never discovering the fact that nature will inevitably make us extinct. In an ideal utopia, I probably wouldn't be antinatalist, but I can't justify having kids only to throw them into the fray of eventual death and possibly suffering the way all of us here are with suicidality.

Some people call it the Circle of Life and find some greater purpose in all this, but I can count the number of truly good/awe inspiring experiences in my life on one hand, while the mundane or tragic happenings are too numerous to count. A lot of people like to blame us for feeling this way, however, I had no control over my circumstances as a child which sets you up to a lifetime of bad luck if your family was abusive and neglectful.

I know exactly how you feel. It is horrible to be trapped in a world that is full of so many atrocities, and that you feel like you don't belong in. Sending much love.

I definitely relate to feeling unable to justify having kids, I think about that all the time. I don't feel like I could justify it myself, until or unless there's a peaceful way out for those suffering. However, the unpredictability of life is such that you or I could end up being a parent of an passionately pro-life child whose views are in complete opposition to ours, there's no way to know for sure. My mother for example is extremely pro-life, yet she gave birth to me, an individual who desperately wants suicide to be normalised and accepted.

I hate it when people try to defend the suffering in life with such phrases as the "circle of life" as you mentioned, it's kind of disgusting if you ask me, although I know they only mean well. I definitely subscribe to the asymmetry argument - that there is much more suffering in life than there is joy, but because these are subjective qualities, I can't say it's universal, but it's at least widely applicable, and that's important. And yes, ultimately none of us are in control, though many believe that they are. The reality is that we're at the mercy of particles whose behaviour we did not, and do not fundamentally orchestrate.

Heat death of the universe does not bother me and I find it consistent with the idea of the circle of life. Global warming on the other hand is different. It is very near term - most people have no idea the scale to which the worlds governments are lying about how bad it is going to get. Its likely to lead to billions dead by century end. not good

I wish i could go to a point where i was unaware of it or i was dumb enough to believe the Al gore wishful thinking of slowly decarbonizing and "It will all work out alright"

Could you explain how heat death agrees with the 'circle of life' idea? To me it seems like those two concepts are in conflict because given heat death, existence is an absolutely temporary thing so it would be better compared to a straight line that ends definitely, not a circle. This is really pedantic I know, but I think it's interesting.

 

[Nicebuddimtim]

Absolutely and the main issue is I'm a hypocrite I can't even follow the things I believe in, can't explain to anyone how I feel about things and really really struggle with almost everything as a result. I've started completely isolating myself in the hopes that it'll drive me to end it but with universal credit and certain support I'm recieving I'm torn between ending it right now or waiting a bit but things look like they're heading from bad to worse so hopefully I'll die soon.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

I definitely relate to feeling unable to justify having kids, I think about that all the time. I don't feel like I could justify it myself, until or unless there's a peaceful way out for those suffering. However, the unpredictability of life is such that you or I could end up being a parent of an passionately pro-life child whose views are in complete opposition to ours, there's no way to know for sure. My mother for example is extremely pro-life, yet she gave birth to me, an individual who desperately wants suicide to be normalised and accepted.

I hate it when people try to defend the suffering in life with such phrases as the "circle of life" as you mentioned, it's kind of disgusting if you ask me, although I know they only mean well. I definitely subscribe to the asymmetry argument - that there is much more suffering in life than there is joy, but because these are subjective qualities, I can't say it's universal, but it's at least widely applicable, and that's important. And yes, ultimately none of us are in control, though many believe that they are. The reality is that we're at the mercy of particles whose behaviour we did not, and do not fundamentally orchestrate.

Could you explain how heat death agrees with the 'circle of life' idea? To me it seems like those two concepts are in conflict because given heat death, existence is an absolutely temporary thing so it would be better compared to a straight line that ends definitely, not a circle. This is really pedantic I know, but I think it's interesting.

Circle of life in part is about there being a beginning and an end at least for individual humans. Heat death never seemed to bother my autism too much, it was just something i could accept

 

[Superdeterminist]

Circle of life in part is about there being a beginning and an end at least for individual humans. Heat death never seemed to bother my autism too much, it was just something i could accept

Personally I think I could also accept heat death leading to permanent end of all life, because of how much suffering would be avoided, although the thought of it is still a little depressing to me because I do value experience over non-experience (but ONLY when that experience is 'good'). I'm really afraid of the possibility that the universe follows a cyclic model, and all of the past, present and future suffering is doomed to recur, perhaps infinitely. That might be the worse case scenario.

 

[Uzera]

The horrors just seem to keep coming. Our system doesn't make sense at all. It's been shown that the way to reduce crime is by improving living conditions for people which means our prison system is only there for capitalists to exploit the poor who have happened to fall in there trap. Im a trans person and I feel like the fucking boot is being put down on all people like that right now. Its really hard to watch what happens to some trans kids who don't get support. I really am ready to go im just afraid to take the plunge. Theres a good chance a knife is going to have a date with my stomach here in the next week.

we've barely advanced in western countries in acceptance of LGBT people. In other countries its even worse. I think it was singapore that just said "we will never get around to having the tolerant views of LGBT people the west has." We are still barbaric and in the dark ages. Most of the world is still reliant on religion. We are a failure as a species.

So yeah I feel totally out of place. I'm also an anarchist so that doubles the feeling. I don't think people should be allowed to be in charge of hierarchies that continue to oppress and exploit. Power stuctures need to justify themselves and our power structures do the opposite, they consistently prove their corruption. Terrible people will always be attracted to positions of power.

TV/internet has created essentially a brainwashing apparatus that has pacified people. Like someone in here said people just believe authority now, and that is true up until the point where they would have to believe something they don't like and they then engage in mental gymnastics to justify their beliefs(its not just right wingers that do this either).

I could go on about this forever. Sounds like most of the people in this thread could.