Anyone believe in the occult, witchcraft etc?

[TooConscious]

(NOTE Apologies please move thread to off-topic.)

In recent years the absurdity of much I've witnessed I've turned from someone who just thought 'you can't prove anything' to very much believing the possibility all this stuff does well and truly exist. I think the likelihood of energy fields surrounding everything, health, determination, success(how you interpret it, luck could well be very much as real as me typing this. And I don't know if I realised too late, or hate the idea through not understanding it possible of how un just it could be but then again so is a 3 dimensional life if that's all there is.

Or maybe it's the damn spying and algorithm messing with us for example it's obviously reading as I type, in my thought process seeing what I'm thinking and I get a video pop up "clean your act up".

To be truthful I hate existence and it scares me saying that because the life forces that are on my side (which there must be a couple since I have a couple of good things, mostly negative) might now turn on me and make ctb extremely hard or impossible and I end up a homeless addict again.
I just want to close my eyes and be gone, no soul, spirit, nothing.

Anyway anybody believe in these realms spectrums of existence but want no part in it either?

 

[Trayus]

I would have loved to join a satanist sex cult, but we have very few in germany. I always had a little interest in witchcraft and cults, but more of a scientific sort - not truly a believer.

 

[Meditation guide]

I would have loved to join a satanist sex cult

That does sound like fun. Hopefully everyone is under 30 and attractive in it.

 

[Lupgevif]

I wish it did exist, I find it all cool as hell. But I am too cynical and skeptic to believe it does, so I just enjoy it in the realm of fiction, but don't bring it to real life.

 

[TooConscious]

Thing is you don't often hear "I tried black magic and it doesn't work" you hear "and I had to take a huge step back realising this does work".

 

[BipolarGuy]

No, I don't believe it exists in the sense I believe you mean.

I knew someone at university who believed in all this kind of stuff.
I can't claim to know anything really about it myself, but she was into tarrot cards (spelling?), angel cards, crystal healing, and other stuff.

Taking a step back, what was really going on with her is that a few years prior she had suffered from depression and tried to end her life.
She then recovered and had a renewed sense of 'reality'. She felt 'connected' to the world around her in a way that she never had.
She put this down to energy fields and all this stuff, which is just nonsense.

 

[Good4Nothing]

Thing is you don't often hear "I tried black magic and it doesn't work" you hear "and I had to take a huge step back realising this does work".

What? I tried black magic and it doesn't work. Do you have evidence of black magic actually working? If it did work, don't you think we'd be inundated with news reports of summoned demons running amok? Wouldn't there be instances of black music's use throughout history?

 

[TooConscious]

What? I tried black magic and it doesn't work. Do you have evidence of black magic actually working? If it did work, don't you think we'd be inundated with news reports of summoned demons running amok? Wouldn't there be instances of black music's use throughout history?

What? I tried black magic and it doesn't work. Do you have evidence of black magic actually working? If it did work, don't you think we'd be inundated with news reports of summoned demons running amok? Wouldn't there be instances of black music's use throughout history?

The world is full of ill will, people's bodies and minds diseased and buggered. Demons don't have to be creepy gremlin creatures. We live in a world where it's illegal to end your life if you're suffering. Yet you often see people who seem perfectly happy and doing well leaving loved ones behind with no explanation.

 

[Good4Nothing]

The world is full of ill will, people's bodies and minds diseased and buggered. Demons don't have to be creepy gremlin creatures. We live in a world where it's illegal to end your life if you're suffering. Yet you often see people who seem perfectly happy and doing well leaving loved ones behind with no explanation.

You think black magic explains that?

 

[TooConscious]

You think black magic explains that?

No its just a thought.

 

[VivaldiBR]

I wish I could believe in it. Unfortunately i am very skeptical and materialistic.

I have witnessed some religious rituals which people incorporated spirits, but I always look for rational explanations for these events.

 

[CalmStrikeofMercy]

I would have loved to join a satanist sex cult, but we have very few in germany. I always had a little interest in witchcraft and cults, but more of a scientific sort - not truly a believer.

Google tells me you guys are the most promiscuous nation. Weird.

What? I tried black magic and it doesn't work. Do you have evidence of black magic actually working? If it did work, don't you think we'd be inundated with news reports of summoned demons running amok? Wouldn't there be instances of black music's use throughout history?

Basically E = evil, A = antagonist, M = matter
A + (E x M) = black magic
Person + (hitman x killing wife) = black magic.

MKUltra is kinda like that in some ways. Like trying to use pavlovian science on a human and since it is not exact...it is almost in the realm of magic. Kinda rudimentary.
Hazing is kinda like black magic in that people summon people to do evil on their behalf as an entry requirement.
Some people use black psychology and black psychiatry...black science.
Rogues.
People who go to the psychward...google demons and psycheward. They tend to draw parallels.

Sending people to harass.
Hitmen are kinda like that.
If you put some gangbangers on the stand and they find out, they will send someone from their ranks to do evil to you (no bullshit. Literally grew up around the crips and blood sets). Known as retribution or double jeopardy in legal terms.
The KKK kinda acts in similar ways.
People view Isis like this.
Really, could be argued sending anyone to kill another is a form of black magic. Bomb makers.
When they testes radiation poisoning on the mentally ill to see how it would progress.
Tuskegee medical experiment.

 

[Mr2005]

That does sound like fun. Hopefully everyone is under 30 and attractive in it.

Is everyone over 30 automatically unattractive? No wonder I bought a time travel pendant in desperation. Seriously though just the last few years has shown us how many frauds there are in the world. I keep an open mind but won't get suckered into anything again

 

[Myforevercharlie]

I do. If it's really black magic or just the will for it to be that, I've seen a loving and caring young woman end her life because of it. Sure, maybe she was schizophrenic, that very well could be. But she believed it to be magic. That alone makes me want to stay as far away from it as possible .


PS. I'm well over 30 and still attractive

 

[Didymus]

Thing is you don't often hear "I tried black magic and it doesn't work" you hear "and I had to take a huge step back realising this does work".

BS

 

[KiraComplex]

uh oh, "im just a realist" assholes are invading!

 

[theguineapigking]

I don't really believe in spells or voodoo dolls. I guess, maybe, it's possible... I just don't believe in it though. I feel that, if it exists, that it's more likely some form of telepathy, if anything.

We can't be certain about reality. It could be a simulation. I FEAR solipsism, personally. We can't even tell 100% positively if someone else is conscious, as we just assume they are because, they act like one's own self. But you can't 'feel' someone else's life force, so to speak. If we're in a simulation of sorts, maybe it knows all of our thoughts and potential decisions or something like you were saying. We may not even have free will either, if our bodies and genetics+experiences determine our 'choices'. Maybe we come here from some spiritual realm to learn and our bodies are programmed genetically, and everyone's experience in life is taken into consideration to determine how it'll effect each person. In this way, maybe we don't have free will until we die... I'm starting to wonder if it's possible that probability doesn't exist, and that maybe it's an illusion. Everything is going to happen a certain way(destiny?) and probability is really non-existent.

The fact is that magic or spiritual possibilities are WAYYYY too philosophical. If there's some kind of afterlife, I feel that something along the lines of an astral realm makes more sense than the Bible or religion. I'm really pondering the idea that we come here to learn and expand our awareness spiritually.

I've also tried to astral project(to see if it's real), because I have lucid dreamed a lot, often by rolling out of my body into a dream(well, it looks and feels like it anyways). Sadly, the reality felt too fake and like a dream, and I couldn't verify any facts in real life. On another note, my sister claims that she felt like she stepped out of her body, then looked at our other sister's playing card, and she got it right(They were both trying to focus and perceive the other's card, from each others beds across the room, with the card out of sight). My mom has done stuff like this with her friends too, but I've never been able to do this myself, nor have I seen my sister or mom do it. Weird things have happened to my mom though, and she's a pretty mentally stable person(I've never seen her act out of the ordinary).

Yeah, I believe there's most likely an afterlife of sorts, but I kind of just want to cease to exist, if that's possible. Then there's be no pain or pleasure, because there's no 'me' to experience it. It's scary, but yet, it's enticing.

Sorry for the long post. I just thought maybe you guys would be interested to read it.

 

[TooConscious]

I don't really believe in spells or voodoo dolls. I guess, maybe, it's possible... I just don't believe in it though. I feel that, if it exists, that it's more likely some form of telepathy, if anything.

We can't be certain about reality. It could be a simulation. I FEAR solipsism, personally. We can't even tell 100% positively if someone else is conscious, as we just assume they are because, they act like one's own self. But you can't 'feel' someone else's life force, so to speak. If we're in a simulation of sorts, maybe it knows all of our thoughts and potential decisions or something like you were saying. We may not even have free will either, if our bodies and genetics+experiences determine our 'choices'. Maybe we come here from some spiritual realm to learn and our bodies are programmed genetically, and everyone's experience in life is taken into consideration to determine how it'll effect each person. In this way, maybe we don't have free will until we die... I'm starting to wonder if it's possible that probability doesn't exist, and that maybe it's an illusion. Everything is going to happen a certain way(destiny?) and probability is really non-existent.

The fact is that magic or spiritual possibilities are WAYYYY too philosophical. If there's some kind of afterlife, I feel that something along the lines of an astral realm makes more sense than the Bible or religion. I'm really pondering the idea that we come here to learn and expand our awareness spiritually.

I've also tried to astral project(to see if it's real), because I have lucid dreamed a lot, often by rolling out of my body into a dream(well, it looks and feels like it anyways). Sadly, the reality felt too fake and like a dream, and I couldn't verify any facts in real life. On another note, my sister claims that she felt like she stepped out of her body, then looked at our other sister's playing card, and she got it right(They were both trying to focus and perceive the other's card, from each others beds across the room, with the card out of sight). My mom has done stuff like this with her friends too, but I've never been able to do this myself, nor have I seen my sister or mom do it. Weird things have happened to my mom though, and she's a pretty mentally stable person(I've never seen her act out of the ordinary).

Yeah, I believe there's most likely an afterlife of sorts, but I kind of just want to cease to exist, if that's possible. Then there's be no pain or pleasure, because there's no 'me' to experience it. It's scary, but yet, it's enticing.

Sorry for the long post. I just thought maybe you guys would be interested to read it.

I hate the idea that we come here to learn. As it just makes me wonder how trivial and petty existence is when all alot of us here really learn is pain and suffering. It hasn't helped in this realm other than make it pointless and horrific experience (so how can it help in a higher realm whatever one would be.)
Thanks for your response.

Is everyone over 30 automatically unattractive? No wonder I bought a time travel pendant in desperation. Seriously though just the last few years has shown us how many frauds there are in the world. I keep an open mind but won't get suckered into anything again

Exactly half the 'shamans are frauds' for example most the ayahuasca retreats are scams with watered down/ weak brews.

Google tells me you guys are the most promiscuous nation. Weird.

Basically E = evil, A = antagonist, M = matter
A + (E x M) = black magic
Person + (hitman x killing wife) = black magic.

MKUltra is kinda like that in some ways. Like trying to use pavlovian science on a human and since it is not exact...it is almost in the realm of magic. Kinda rudimentary.
Hazing is kinda like black magic in that people summon people to do evil on their behalf as an entry requirement.
Some people use black psychology and black psychiatry...black science.
Rogues.
People who go to the psychward...google demons and psycheward. They tend to draw parallels.

Sending people to harass.
Hitmen are kinda like that.
If you put some gangbangers on the stand and they find out, they will send someone from their ranks to do evil to you (no bullshit. Literally grew up around the crips and blood sets). Known as retribution or double jeopardy in legal terms.
The KKK kinda acts in similar ways.
People view Isis like this.
Really, could be argued sending anyone to kill another is a form of black magic. Bomb makers.
When they testes radiation poisoning on the mentally ill to see how it would progress.
Tuskegee medical experiment.

I've been in a psych ward (UK) and people wouldn't talk about the illuminati, it was mentioned alot but ignored/subject changed.

 

[SN-chan]

Wouldn't surprise me if all the mental illnesses are demons of sorts. I have a life - PTSD inducing experience of a being/demon jumping between me and my friends, we all acknowledged it, but owns survival instinct is stronger than friendship and you definitely wouldn't want to be stuck with that thing living the hell watching it ruin your life. It strips you of your intelligence while its intelligence is inhumanly high, it puts you into situations you wouldn't want to be in and make you say and do things you normally wouldn't do or say, isolates you from other people and just lives off of your suffering. It's like losing your soul and being unable to enjoy much if anything at all - fractions of its former glory, while all the bad stuff gets more intense. Very unfathomable for other people how bad life can be/can get, but then they think if it was or got so bad that they'd kill themselves or how come you didn't kill yourself yet, well it won't let you off so easily, and you surprise yourself how much you can take and not completely lose it. After years it gets easier as you slowly lose perspective of what life once was, and change the way you think about things(when your mind is uprooted the reality and the suffering changes with it, or maybe I've just done my time or wouldn't take much more).
Yeah just don't expect much from other people when things become tough, don't be naive, no there are no people out there who could help you out to get rid of these things, just do what others do and give it to someone else till you still can, don't play the hero. Now I'm just scared that even the death wouldn't get rid of it and I'd just be born into another life with it. Let's hope these things don't actually exist, that there's no point to life, that it's all just an illness.

 

[Xocoyotziin]

In most cases I think it's just a form of brainwashing, and this brainwashing is very pervasive and subterranean, which is part of why government and etc have occult foundations. If there really are paranormal phenomena buzzing all around us the act of applying occult language to it probably shapes it, or at least our perception of it and ability to react to it. I think of it like a kind of hijacking of your innate potential. Studying the occult is like downloading a virus that uses your mind as its host and changes the language it operates on, for worse more often than better, I believe. That's my experience anyway.

It's really hard to articulate what I mean lol but I used to be into this topic and had a more elaborate view. Wish I could say now what I would have said then.

 

[RottenDeer]

I would love to believe in the occult because life is frustratingly boring but I can't.

 

[greebo6]

(NOTE Apologies please move thread to off-topic.)

In recent years the absurdity of much I've witnessed I've turned from someone who just thought 'you can't prove anything' to very much believing the possibility all this stuff does well and truly exist. I think the likelihood of energy fields surrounding everything, health, determination, success(how you interpret it, luck could well be very much as real as me typing this. And I don't know if I realised too late, or hate the idea through not understanding it possible of how un just it could be but then again so is a 3 dimensional life if that's all there is.

Or maybe it's the damn spying and algorithm messing with us for example it's obviously reading as I type, in my thought process seeing what I'm thinking and I get a video pop up "clean your act up".

To be truthful I hate existence and it scares me saying that because the life forces that are on my side (which there must be a couple since I have a couple of good things, mostly negative) might now turn on me and make ctb extremely hard or impossible and I end up a homeless addict again.
I just want to close my eyes and be gone, no soul, spirit, nothing.

Anyway anybody believe in these realms spectrums of existence but want no part in it either?

Yes ,definitely . There's much more to this world than what we can simply see or actually know / understand .

Is everyone over 30 automatically unattractive? No wonder I bought a time travel pendant in desperation. Seriously though just the last few years has shown us how many frauds there are in the world. I keep an open mind but won't get suckered into anything again

No. Some people actually get better looking with age . Others stay attractive like they always were .
They all got lucky.
Wish I had been one of them...….

 

[Samsara]

Not sure if this is a dead post, but I'm definitely interested in the occult/paranormal

 

[ming]

Someone give me step by step instructions on how to summon a demon, I'll try it out and see if it works or not lmao

 

[Jumping_realms]

Absolutely not.

 

[TooConscious]

In most cases I think it's just a form of brainwashing, and this brainwashing is very pervasive and subterranean, which is part of why government and etc have occult foundations. If there really are paranormal phenomena buzzing all around us the act of applying occult language to it probably shapes it, or at least our perception of it and ability to react to it. I think of it like a kind of hijacking of your innate potential. Studying the occult is like downloading a virus that uses your mind as its host and changes the language it operates on, for worse more often than better, I believe. That's my experience anyway.

It's really hard to articulate what I mean lol but I used to be into this topic and had a more elaborate view. Wish I could say now what I would have said then.

Hi buddy you summed it up spot on love your observation. But I guess the occult practitioners stopped me reading this at the time. Through a cast.
Hope you're good

Wouldn't surprise me if all the mental illnesses are demons of sorts. I have a life - PTSD inducing experience of a being/demon jumping between me and my friends, we all acknowledged it, but owns survival instinct is stronger than friendship and you definitely wouldn't want to be stuck with that thing living the hell watching it ruin your life. It strips you of your intelligence while its intelligence is inhumanly high, it puts you into situations you wouldn't want to be in and make you say and do things you normally wouldn't do or say, isolates you from other people and just lives off of your suffering. It's like losing your soul and being unable to enjoy much if anything at all - fractions of its former glory, while all the bad stuff gets more intense. Very unfathomable for other people how bad life can be/can get, but then they think if it was or got so bad that they'd kill themselves or how come you didn't kill yourself yet, well it won't let you off so easily, and you surprise yourself how much you can take and not completely lose it. After years it gets easier as you slowly lose perspective of what life once was, and change the way you think about things(when your mind is uprooted the reality and the suffering changes with it, or maybe I've just done my time or wouldn't take much more).
Yeah just don't expect much from other people when things become tough, don't be naive, no there are no people out there who could help you out to get rid of these things, just do what others do and give it to someone else till you still can, don't play the hero. Now I'm just scared that even the death wouldn't get rid of it and I'd just be born into another life with it. Let's hope these things don't actually exist, that there's no point to life, that it's all just an illness.

I hope you're still around because I would appreciate being able to chat with you, cannot even remember writing this post and your perspective is hauntingly familiar I know you've experienced horror and hope things are better friend.

 

[thebigpigman]

I have been a former member of BALG forum, got shit ton of advices, none of them work.

I have no idea why people believe them at all.

Anyways, i read lot of books on occult, magick witchcraft.
The three requires practise, patience and time.

Tried to summon demon didnt work out at all. I left everything for good.

If youre interested start with the goetia and summoning spirits book.

Someone give me step by step instructions on how to summon a demon, I'll try it out and see if it works or not lmao

It requires lot of practise and you need to open up your senses to talk to a demon.

 

[TooConscious]

I have been a former member of BALG forum, got shit ton of advices, none of them work.

I have no idea why people believe them at all.

Anyways, i read lot of books on occult, magick witchcraft.
The three requires practise, patience and time.

Tried to summon demon didnt work out at all. I left everything for good.

If youre interested start with the goetia and summoning spirits book.

It requires lot of practise and you need to open up your senses to talk to a demon.

Not interested in practicing myself but think there's evil factions of these societies that force it upon vulnerable people.
The devil has no rule saying "thou shall not bully/harm other human beings"
And seemingly so, neither does God!!