Discussion Anybody wants to ctb because of facial disfugerment?

[Deformationalplagio]

I don't want anyone to feel like i'm downplaying your conditions or undermining your feelings about your appearances, but here's my zero bullshit observations based on the images provided;

Csmith, your shit is not fucked up at all. You have a friendly looking face with good hair and you appear to be in decent physical shape. Your bone structure and complexion are above average. I don't know how things are with regards to other aspects of your life, but I can tell you, your looks are not bad at all.
Plagio, I understand your concern and have some knowledge of your condition. Your forehead appears even. Are you concerned that your Zygoma (cheekbones) are uneven? I suffer from that but I can't really tell if you do from the picture. You may not be perfectly symmetrical but you're features are in proportion and you look healthy (from the picture). There is nothing remarkable or shocking about your appearance, which is a good position to be in. Great facial hair BTW.
The dude with the birthmark doesn't have to worry about that much. I used to work with a guy who had about 50% of his face covered with something similar. It was called a Port-wine stain or something, and it literally covered half of his face. He grew his confidence through sports, had a fantastic personality, and his physique was impressive. His wife was an attractive woman both physically and mentally. I believe they are currently expecting their second child.

But please don't think I'm here to tell you that appearance means nothing and all the other bullshit platitudes you've probably heard a thousand times before. I'm as sick as you are of being told it's what's inside that counts by people who then spend ages doing makeup, or huge amounts on haircuts and clothes, or take a thousand fucking selfies a day. People are hypocrites. Everyone judges everyone on almost everything, and physical appearance is one of the most commonly judged criteria. It's not even only human nature....all animals do it.

I really do believe that it is possible to reach a degree of disfigurement that makes living a normal life impossible. From what I've seen of the pictures in this thread (and I can only speak about what I've actually seen), you guys aren't close to that degree. Of course it's all subjective to the individual. For example the guy I knew with the port-wine stain on his face. He could confidently perform presentations to the rest of the workforce without any fucks given (eventually). Another guy I work with at my present job calls in sick if he gets as much as one spot on his chin. It's relative to their developed coping mechanisms.

From my experience I've found a lot of cosmetic surgeons to be egotistical, money orientated, lying, narcissists. Some even psychopathic (maybe that's a necessity for cutting strangers open daily). Either that or completely unaware of their own utter incompetence. These pricks are dishonest with their before/after pictures and are entirely different people once surgery has been completed. Many provide zero aftercare and will even charge to revise their own mistakes. If something does go wrong, you are highly unlikely to win in any form of legal conflict. It's a shady business full of smiling snakes. However, sometimes it may be worth the risk. It depends on the condition, the proposed solution, the surgeon, and some old fashioned luck.

I'm not saying don't investigate surgeries or whatever, just that if I could transform into either of you guys right now, i'd be a happy man. Hope you have a good day and be kind to yourselves :)

Plagiocephaly has nothing to do with facial asymmetry it can make the face look asymmetric but this is a misunderstanding that a lot of people have about the condition. Because of the flatness of the back of the head the face gets rotates to the side in the picture provided it looks like im sligtly looking to the side when i look up you can see it the most clearly. Im actually pulling my head right up straght in front of me it creates the ilusion of slightly looking toward the left in my front picture its the right because its a morrored picture im not turning my face my head is facing rhe front. Wich doesnt look necessaryly bad in pictures but in motion like daily life its very very very noticeable. I had pretty bad stuff in life believe me abuse, being homeless. Having other medical issues but plagiocephaly is way worse then any of that not like im trying to play the game who has it the worst but its the truth. Im in a other community with alot of other people having this condition and 90% of them wants to ctb and some of them already did. Its something you can only understand if you have it i guess.

 

[magick'sgone]

Which dicom viewer are you using and what are you using as landmarks when placing the grids and lines?

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Which dicom viewer are you using and what are you using as landmarks when placing the grids and lines?

These are cts from doctors they are 100% correct my midline is where my spine is plagiocephaly causes cranial base deviation so taking the nose as midline is incorrect. in my pictures i like to use my neck as midline when facing straight to the front trying not to turn. It looks angled but its not thats how im naturally facing front kind of how people with torticollis look like but with me its really because my skull grew that way the back from my skull is straight like normal people and the front is skewed . Most peditricians are even not fully aware what plagiocephaly really is. It doesnt look to bad as baby but in an adult it becomes very obvious. Ofcourse plagio has different degrees of severity im a moderate

 

[Jumper]

Plagiocephaly has nothing to do with facial asymmetry it can make the face look asymmetric but this is a misunderstanding that a lot of people have about the condition. Because of the flatness of the back of the head the face gets rotates to the side in the picture provided it looks like im sligtly looking to the side when i look up you can see it the most clearly. Im actually pulling my head right up straght in front of me it creates the ilusion of slightly looking toward the left in my front picture its the right because its a morrored picture im not turning my face my head is facing rhe front. Wich doesnt look necessaryly bad in pictures but in motion like daily life its very very very noticeable. I had pretty bad stuff in life believe me abuse, being homeless. Having other medical issues but plagiocephaly is way worse then any of that not like im trying to play the game who has it the worst but its the truth. Im in a other community with alot of other people having this condition and 90% of them wants to ctb and some of them already did. Its something you can only understand if you have it i guess.

I knew a girl with something called hemifacial atrophy (Parry-Romberg syndrome). Basically, half of her face degenerated during childhood (including the bone/muscle/skin). She had multiple plastic-reconstructive surgeries to correct it, but it's not fully fixed. If you see her in real life, it's immediately obvious (and maybe even the first thing you will notice about her). But in photos it's MUCH more subtle. So from your pictures above, it may be hard for us to tell... but I get that it's different in physical life.

 

[Emily123]

Im also in contact now with a thai surgeon i hope its not the same guy :/

If it is for any kind of Facial surgery . Please don't go to them . Thai surgeons are not good for any kind of Facail surgery .

 

[LexyCnthnt]

I don't see anything strange in any of you.
Everyone in thia world is wonderfully unique.

Plagiocephaly has nothing to do with facial asymmetry it can make the face look asymmetric but this is a misunderstanding that a lot of people have about the condition. Because of the flatness of the back of the head the face gets rotates to the side in the picture provided it looks like im sligtly looking to the side when i look up you can see it the most clearly. Im actually pulling my head right up straght in front of me it creates the ilusion of slightly looking toward the left in my front picture its the right because its a morrored picture im not turning my face my head is facing rhe front. Wich doesnt look necessaryly bad in pictures but in motion like daily life its very very very noticeable. I had pretty bad stuff in life believe me abuse, being homeless. Having other medical issues but plagiocephaly is way worse then any of that not like im trying to play the game who has it the worst but its the truth. Im in a other community with alot of other people having this condition and 90% of them wants to ctb and some of them already did. Its something you can only understand if you have it i guess.

BTW, i love belgium. I am often there to take a deep breath.

 

[lostangel]

Not really a facial disfigurement but I have an extremely crooked nose that is very noticeable in photos and my lip is crooked on one side. I think the muscles haven't development when I was growing up.

 

[FreedomInDeath]

Yup. Being an ugly woman is a death sentence from birth.

 

[Motherfly]

Yup. Being an ugly woman is a death sentence from birth.

Yep, basically living the life of a men. Whitout all the benefice that beauty brings you.

Still better than an ugly men. There's always someone that is gonna be willing to be with you. You just don't have all the free pass that other women have.

 

[FreedomInDeath]

I wish how one looks did not matter so much. I think it is fine that it matters and people like beauty, but the way people treat the unattractive is so dramatic it seems (humilitation, hatred, lack of opportunities etc.)

 

[Alec]

I have horrendous acne and acne scarring. It has made me suicidal sometimes.

You may be thinking, "oh! Just a little acne! You shouldn't be worrying over that!"

Well, you haven't seen my face. It literally looks like my face was stabbed 20 dozen times with an ice pick. Huge dimpled scars. Aweful, oily complexion. And some volcano sized cyst both on my face and scalp. I have literal dime sized bald spots on my head from acne scars.

I know what you're thinking now. "Try Accutane!" I did. And although there was some remission, my acne came back with a vengeance. Even worse than before. My acne is so bad that my dermatologist has made me an anonymous case study for medical research of retinoid resistant acne. Yes. That's how fucking bad my face is.

Its hideous, I know its hideous, I've come to terms with how repulsive I am. I need no empty platitudes from anyone.

I know you said you don't need empty platitudes from anyone, but I..I don't know I just feel like I have to write this, sorry if I annoy you, you don't have to finish reading this.
I just wanted to say, I had acne too, no - it wasn't as horrible as what you described. But it was bad and it was getting worse with years, finally I was able to go to the real dermatologist and he gave a prescription for Accutane(at least I believe it was accutane, it was some time ago I'm not sure if it's the same name but I believe we are talking about the same medication) I didn't even know it existed before that. And it helped me tremendously, I was so happy. I stopped taking it, the scars are still there but while there are some, it's not unbearable and the red spots are healing, very slowly but healing(I also use this mask on them that he recommended to me three times a week) but acne still appears sometimes, not on my face thank god, but behind my ears or my neck, and mostly my back(it used to be way worse on my back though it's a lot better now but still appears quite some). I was lucky, I was VERY LUCKY.
Anyway I'm saying any of this to rub it in your face or make you feel even worse I'm sorry if it did, it's not my intention. The reason I'm saying this is because I wanted to say this: I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when people say that acne is just not a big deal, that's it's ok and you should be ok if you have acne. It's like none of them actually wanna admit the horrors acne can do to a face. A person will have a scar on a face from an accident and it's suddenly "oh that poor person" but somebody will have far worse scars from acne and everybody goes "oh it's just acne get over it" but they only say it but treat a person differently than a person with no acne. It's SO FUCKING ANNOYING that none of them are willing to admit the real damage acne can inflict and accept its seriousness!!!
It LITERALLY ruins lives!
I remember before I head access to a real professional good dermatologist, I went to this other doctor as an act of desperation because I knew that was most likely no use. And it was some old lady who just told me and I quote "oh don't worry about it, it will disappear when you merry a nice girl" meaning it will go away once I'll start having sex. FOR REAL?! you are an old lady who've lived her whole life and this is the knowledge you've gathered in that life? You've lived a whole life and this is the piece of "intelligence" you have and choose to share with your patient as a real doctor?! WTF?! I had to basically beg her and convince her that I need some actual medication and finally she prescribed to me some thing to put on my acne, it burned my skin horrible and only irritated it farther and didn't help with acne AT ALL. Maybe just a tinies but for the first two days because by burning my skin it also dried it but then the burning would get too bad and it only further damage my skin...
Honestly I don't understand why people aren't working on better cures for acne, it's something that touches so many people and ruins lives! But it's like all people are just hell bent on pretending like acne isn't a real problem that requires their attention and isn't a real health issue that damages and destroys lives, that requires actual looking into and studying and a real cure.
I just hope maybe it can and will get better for you, I really do, I hope it gets better for you, I love you

 

[TheEndof]

Yup. Being an ugly woman is a death sentence from birth.

Yeah, people underestimate just awful it is to be an ugly woman. I'm constantly told that just the fact that I'm a woman means I have life on easy mode. Makes me feel a million times worse because I can't even do that "right".

 

[Alec]

I wish how one looks did not matter so much. I think it is fine that it matters and people like beauty, but the way people treat the unattractive is so dramatic it seems (humilitation, hatred, lack of opportunities etc.)

Completely agree with you. It's ok to like appreciate beauty, but the way this world treat the people that don't fit into "conventionally attractive" criteria is just sickening.

 

[Deformationalplagio]

I don't see anything strange in any of you.
Everyone in thia world is wonderfully unique.


BTW, i love belgium. I am often there to take a deep breath.

Unique yes wonderfully i dont know. A deformity is a curse it makes me subhuman and i cant do anything in life like others. I will never feel ok with the way i am but im thinking about ctbing tomorrow by hanging i will finally be free from this cursed body

 

[Cevapcici]

Yes , me as well !

For me it was a disfigurement acquired 5 years ago after a malpractice ( not even surgery) - my jawbone got traumatised after a defective dental crown was struck in my mouth for months ( yes, it can happen, and it had to happen to me) - I cannot tell you how much it has changed my life in a negative way. It's like I've been dead on the inside ever since.
I feel for you guys, I know how hard it is to be confronted by a mirror, and to know you'll always be frowned upon and judged for something that isn't up to you.