Venting Anger towards Christianity.

[CannotAnymore]

I have found that stepping away from organized religion was the best thing. It has not changed my relationship with the universe or a higher power.

I love history and when you know the past you can just see how much organized religion is used to manipulate people.

 

[axab43]

It's always other's fault, it can't be the Bible allows for hostile interpretations... Even the principles are about fear with the whole salvation BS. The whole set of ideas it's very flawed.

Not about fear. I was never fearful when I became a CHristian and that was 50 years ago. The Bible does not allow for hostile interpretations, there is nothing in the New Testament that in any way justifies the SPanish Inquisition or the Crusades. Or the wars fought! In fact the opposite, even the Old Testament is very clear that murder, lying, hurting others is not acceptable and the New Testament is also very clear on loving others, putting others before yourself! Not flawed at all but you are entitled to your opinion

 

[EternalShore]

You can't just say "but Jesus" to wave away all the fucked up stuff that happened in the Old Testament. Jesus wouldn't even be needed had God the Father not set humanity up for failure by putting the tree of knowledge in that garden of Eden to tempt them while knowing full well they would mess up. Not to mention his lie that they would die that day. And yes it was a lie because had he not freaked out at the thought of them finally being able to think for themselves and kicked them out the garden instead of letting them eat from the tree of life, they would not have ever died.

So yeah, it doesn't matter if Jesus was a good dude. He came to Earth as an ambassador for a tyrant who set up mankind for failure if the Biblical account of the world is to be believed.

In regards to the tree of knowledge, they certainly did die spiritually that day, now having their entire souls be transformed from being pure to evil. However, it is also understood in the original Hebrew to mean that one will begin dying (aging) that day, rather than die that day.
Had God let them eat from the Tree of Life, sure, they would have been immortal now, yes. But you're on a sewer slide website. Would you want to be an immortal suffering in a world cursed by sin and evil, seeing how your actions hundreds to thousands of years ago have caused everything? :( Even if you did, eternal life separated from God by sin is a good description of Hell.
Adam and Eve had always been able to think for themselves. After all, they could not have eaten had they not had free will.
I wouldn't describe them as being set up for failure, but that they were set up to be perfect. After all, which is better? An AI that's programmed to love you or a person who freely chooses to do so on their own? The person is better because they find you worthy of love while the AI is merely forced to. Now, they rather obviously, did not choose this perfection, but that's because God granted them free will as part of this.

 

[axab43]

I said most. I know scientists who worked at CERN who are devout Christians and, like Pasteur, they don't see a conflict with their beliefs and science at all.

But the OP wasn't referring to these people. Those who are full of hate yet scream salvation and righteousness were the topic of their post. Those people who seem to be louder and more powerful every day. The people who give true Christians a bad name.

Yes, there are people who seem to be full of hate and talk about salvation. They do not speak for all of us and if you look in the New Testament, there were a lot of religious people around like that then, and Jesus was their greatest critic. Not all Christians are great representatives of their faith but some are :)

 

[ctb2soble]

In regards to the tree of knowledge, they certainly did die spiritually that day, now having their entire souls be transformed from being pure to evil. However, it is also understood in the original Hebrew to mean that one will begin dying (aging) that day, rather than die that day.
Had God let them eat from the Tree of Life, sure, they would have been immortal now, yes. But you're on a sewer slide website. Would you want to be an immortal suffering in a world cursed by sin and evil, seeing how your actions hundreds to thousands of years ago have caused everything? :( Even if you did, eternal life separated from God by sin is a good description of Hell.
Adam and Eve had always been able to think for themselves. After all, they could not have eaten had they not had free will.
I wouldn't describe them as being set up for failure, but that they were set up to be perfect. After all, which is better? An AI that's programmed to love you or a person who freely chooses to do so on their own? The person is better because they find you worthy of love while the AI is merely forced to. Now, they rather obviously, did not choose this perfection, but that's because God granted them free will as part of this.

God literally says in Genesis 3:22, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

So if eating that fruit made them evil, then I guess the God of the Bible is evil too since he said their act of disobedience made them like him. Also saying they died spiritually is a lame excuse to get around the fact that the serpent told them the truth because they did not die when they ate from the tree. The only "sin" they committed was gaining true free will and breaking free from being ignorant, drones to God. Because let's be clear, putting blinders on someone and saying you have only 3 options while hiding the other ten options and acting like they dont exist, is not true free will.

And I think being in the Christian heaven would be like Hell. Being forced for all eternity, to feed the ego of a god who set your ancestors up for failure, infected mankind with an incurable disease, but says you should be thankful they invented the cure for that same disease when they knew what the outcime of tempting Adam and Eve would be. And you gotta live knowing most of your friends are being punished for eternity for a max of 110 years of sinning just cause they didn't wanna bow down to some god? Nope, I'm good. Team Lucifer for life.

 

[RadiantNumber]

If God exists, he must have satisfaction for tormenting people

 

[Wonhun]

https://www.youtube.com/@MindShift-Brandon

Mindshift is your friend to identify a religion nonsense and hypocrisy

 

[EternalShore]

God literally says in Genesis 3:22, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

So if eating that fruit made them evil, then I guess the God of the Bible is evil too since he said their act of disobedience made them like him.

God did not eat of the tree. The verse states that people became like God in that they now know good and evil. God knows good from evil not because He is evil but because He knows how destructive evil is and is the good judge over it. People were pure and were created by God to know good, so when they ate the fruit of the tree, they were opened up to evil too. Therefore, people now knew both good and evil just as God did.

while hiding the other ten options and acting like they dont exist

He gave them an option to fall into the other 10 options, which is unfortunately, what they chose~ Let's go over what these 10 options would be for Adam and Eve tho: hitting, fighting, arguing, killing, lying, and stealing. Personally, I'd love never to even think of any of these as all they do is harm yourself and others, but you can if you like~ :)

Also saying they died spiritually is a lame excuse to get around the fact that the serpent told them the truth because they did not die when they ate from the tree.

While I do think it's the coolest explanation, that's exactly why it's not the only explanation I provided for that.

I understand that responding to you is futile, but I was forced to argue in favor of the things you say in order to pass 12th grade, so I'm scared for others~

 

[Wonhun]

God did not eat of the tree. The verse states that people became like God in that they now know good and evil. God knows good from evil not because He is evil but because He knows how destructive evil is and is the good judge over it. People were pure and were created by God to know good, so when they ate the fruit of the tree, they were opened up to evil too. Therefore, people now knew both good and evil just as God did.


He gave them an option to fall into the other 10 options, which is unfortunately, what they chose~ Let's go over what these 10 options would be for Adam and Eve tho: hitting, fighting, arguing, killing, lying, and stealing. Personally, I'd love never to even think of any of these as all they do is harm yourself and others, but you can if you like~ :)


While I do think it's the coolest explanation, that's exactly why it's not the only explanation I provided for that.

I understand that responding to you is futile, but I was forced to argue in favor of the things you say in order to pass 12th grade, so I'm scared for others~

Speaking of christianity, regardless on all of its contradictions, there is an elephant in the room to give doubt on so-called god nature on how christianity present it, I always wonder why christian didnt give a thought on how the promise for being sinless through Jesus did not ever happen. Apostle Paul, King Saul, and Pharaoh in the ten plagues ask and even trying to not be sinful. However, in many cases, god did not help them to flee from sin but instead leaving a trap and not removing it/ send a deceivable spirit/ hardening one heart. In fact many cases give solid proof on how god behave differently for how they portray. Enjoy this playlist.