Afterlife proof?

[Lisa]

Survival has nothing to do with identity

That's very true

And Everything I've experienced and everything I've researched points to this: if we do survive we won't be this personality. We shed that. Our higher self continues.

 

[Aity4883]

I don't believe anything the government tells me.
It has lied about every little thing. Every single thing in my life has been a lie and they would tell the truth about the nature of the universe and life but lie about small things to get a few dollars extra?

Bullshit.

I think the biggest problem is in not knowing. Not knowing what comes next. Fear of the unknown.

I'd be fine with many types of afterlifes or no afterlife at all. If I knew 100% without a doubt that there is nothing after death then it would be so much easier for me. Might just have to prepare myself for every option....

 

[Fylobatica]

Are you seriously claiming that *all* memories are stored in the genes?

lol, nope. Our identity, personality, ourselves, call it what you want, highly depend on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectome

Again, you'd have to explain how our inner self can "pop out of the brain" and literally survive floating in space without relying on a physical structure, considering than when we're alive it does, and without it it would be less than nothing.

 

[Tiredman]

Im in no way a claiming to be physicist but as I understand it: according to string theory all matter is the result of the vibrational frequency or the melody of tiny string like objects inside elementary particles like electrons and neutrons. Certain vibrations result In certain kinds of particles etc. These vibrations also create waves that effect other particles. It's also theorized that these vibrations are not exclusive to linear time-space and may exist outside our 3 dimensional world.

In my opinion, a person's actions and personality could therefore be reflected by a unique vibration in the person's own chemical make up that effects other particles around it. This could explain ghosts as being a sort of residual vibration of a deceased person's unique personality or even a quantum duality of their original make up.
Maybe reincarnation is the transference of your current body's vibrational frequency or melody into another vessel/body with its own frequency thereby creating a similar yet distinct harmony. The stronger or weaker the original melody the more likely you are going to have memories or personality of a past life.

 

[Fylobatica]

Except for the fact that thoughts depend on patterns of action potentials found in individual neurons, synaptic activity, oxygen levels, and neurochemical interaction that persist for at least a fraction of a second, and so forth, at a *local* level (and we have to take into account also nonlocality when talking about theoretical physics, which would basically ruin every mind-transfer hypothesis).
It would be nice, again, if somebody cared to explain how to 'export' in a single framed picture the whole complexity of a phenomenon that is never at a steady-state, to preserve it on a medium that it's not supposed to work in the same way (just as much I cannot use chalk to type something on the internet), to re-implant it on another different brain, already born with an exclusive connectome that has to be erased to make space for this old 'being' that claims to be the same that it was before.

However, I'm going to take a break from the debate to concentrate on other things, since most people seem to be more interested to protect their beliefs with "what ifs" and such rather than giving articulate proof of their claims.
All the best

 

[Life sucks]

Survival has nothing to do with identity

It is all covered in the post. Bye

 

[Life sucks]

I'm leaving this conversation as none will read or accept logical explanation and will respond with vagueness and beliefs instead of another logically sound argument. I won't waste my time. If you want to keep your beliefs then fine but don't jump against everyone else. Moreover, I'm not with or against and just described how would it be possible.

Bye.

 

[Tiredman]

That's why it's called a theory but arguing theoretical physics is pointless with you people when you are firm in the belief that anything theoretical is false so it's like beating a dead horse. Even Richard Dawkins isn't 100% atheist.

 

[Lisa]

Im in no way a claiming to be physicist but as I understand it: according to string theory all matter is the result of the vibrational frequency or the melody of tiny string like objects inside elementary particles like electrons and neutrons. Certain vibrations result In certain kinds of particles etc. These vibrations also create waves that effect other particles. It's also theorized that these vibrations are not exclusive to linear time-space and may exist outside our 3 dimensional world.

In my opinion, a person's actions and personality could therefore be reflected by a unique vibration in the person's own chemical make up that effects other particles around it. This could explain ghosts as being a sort of residual vibration of a deceased person's unique personality or even a quantum duality of their original make up.
Maybe reincarnation is the transference of your current body's vibrational frequency or melody into another vessel/body with its own frequency thereby creating a similar yet distinct harmony. The stronger or weaker the original melody the more likely you are going to have memories of a past life.

Well said.

In fact it makes me need to correct the last thing I posted. Though we will shed our personality, if we continue, we will still be us. Our character at our core, who we are, will remain.

There's just too much that we and physicists don't know. The argument that consciousness only exists within the brain doesn't hold water in the modern day. There are so many facts that clearly show this. For example, documented cases of identical twins who maintain some level of awareness of each others well-being over distance are a proven fact. What particles or beams connect these people? No matter how you cut it, they are exhibiting evidence of consciousness outside of the body. But this is a mild example. There's just too much evidence that points to the continuity of consciousness for it to be discounted. Again, we are not saying anything 100%, because we don't know either way for sure.

 

[dangier_to_myself]

lol, nope. Our identity, personality, ourselves, call it what you want, highly depend on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectome

Again, you'd have to explain how our inner self can "pop out of the brain" and literally survive floating in space without relying on a physical structure, considering than when we're alive it does, and without it it would be less than nothing.

At this point I don't even understand what you're trying to say

 

[dangier_to_myself]

It is all covered in the post. Bye

Your post is totally irrelevant. It just rambles on about "being you" and I'm telling you that survival has nothing to do with "being you"

 

[Nate]

I have this recurring idea that when you die, it's like waking up from a dream. You look around you, and realize you were playing a video game. You can decide to play again if you want, or go do something else. This is the only idea of an afterlife that I consider nowadays.

 

[Lisa]

I have this recurring idea that when you die, it's like waking up from a dream. You look around you, and realize you were playing a video game. You can decide to play again if you want, or go do something else. This is the only idea of an afterlife that I consider nowadays.

I totally feel this. How did you think of it, you just felt? I've heard this from many people who have had near death experiences. I can't wait until this is all just a nightmare I can walk away from

 

[Thoughts95]

I've done psilocybin a few times this year to try to help my depression. Changed my view on what the afterlife might be like. I have no idea though.

 

[Lisa]

I've done psilocybin a few times this year to try to help my depression. Changed my view on what the afterlife might be like. I have no idea though.

What did it make you think the afterlife is like?

 

[Nate]

I just thought about it a lot. Thinking about karma, reincarnation, good and bad, souls, and how can all of these things make sense and still be something science could explain one day. This is the only conclusion that makes sense to me, but ultimately I know that I just fear the unknown after death. The times when I want there to be an afterlife are the times when I am very sad and wishing for something more. So that's just my personal conclusion, an amateur attempt at trying to understand why am I alive in the first place. But I think I only wonder these things because of pain that I couldn't process when I felt it. Logically, I think there is nothing after death. But emotionally, I want to feel important or that I matter or that I experienced pain for a reason other than I just got unlucky. This is why the video game concept is the only one that appeals to me at all, when I hope as a result of despair. But logically, I do not accept it.

 

[Malice1]

I have this recurring idea that when you die, it's like waking up from a dream. You look around you, and realize you were playing a video game. You can decide to play again if you want, or go do something else. This is the only idea of an afterlife that I consider nowadays.

Simulation theory. I agree. Like the matrix (if you haven't seen the movie you need too) where we are already connected to another brain, making conscious transfer rather simple. Your consciousness doesn't have to "pop" out of your head under those circumstances.

 

[Malice1]

I just thought about it a lot. Thinking about karma, reincarnation, good and bad, souls, and how can all of these things make sense and still be something science could explain one day. This is the only conclusion that makes sense to me, but ultimately I know that I just fear the unknown after death. The times when I want there to be an afterlife are the times when I am very sad and wishing for something more. So that's just my personal conclusion, an amateur attempt at trying to understand why am I alive in the first place. But I think I only wonder these things because of pain that I couldn't process when I felt it. Logically, I think there is nothing after death. But emotionally, I want to feel important or that I matter or that I experienced pain for a reason other than I just got unlucky. This is why the video game concept is the only one that appeals to me at all, when I hope as a result of despair. But logically, I do not accept it.

Simulation is not impossible but theres still no evidence supporting it. It suffers from the same issue that other afterlife ideas do.

 

[Nate]

Simulation theory. I agree. Like the matrix (if you haven't seen the movie you need too) where we are already connected to another brain, making conscious transfer rather simple. Your consciousness doesn't have to "pop" out of your head under those circumstances.

The problem I have with it is, I know other people's conscience experience is uniquely different than mine. But I'm unconvinced that souls exist. This could be because I don't believe I have a soul though. I think it can be explained in a way where, in order for me to think, I have the possibility of convincing myself there is a piece of me that I cannot see and feels almost transcendent, and because I view and learn everything from this point of view that is unique to me alone, the same way others can experience their life through their unique perspective, we could confuse our ego with soul.

 

[tMartin]

I totally feel this. How did you think of it, you just felt? I've heard this from many people who have had near death experiences.

near death experiences ≠ actual death
Do not listen to them. DMT get released by our brain before we die. Check this out https://www.quora.com/How-are-DMT-and-near-death-experiences-linked?share=1

 

[Malice1]

The problem I have with it is, I know other people's conscience experience is uniquely different than mine. But I'm unconvinced that souls exist. This could be because I don't believe I have a soul though. I think it can be explained in a way where, in order for me to think, I have the possibility of convincing myself there is a piece of me that I cannot see and feels almost transcendent, and because I view and learn everything from this point of view that is unique to me alone, the same way others can experience their life through their unique perspective, we could confuse our ego with soul.

I agree with you. I don't think we have a soul either. We still don't know what conciousness IS though or how the brain generates it. Some might call it our soul but i dont think thats the case either.

 

[Lisa]

near death experiences ≠ actual death
Do not listen to them. DMT get released by our brain before we die. Check this out https://www.quora.com/How-are-DMT-and-near-death-experiences-linked?share=1

Doesn't explain it because people born blind are able to see in their nde. DMT doesn't cure blindness

 

[dangier_to_myself]

Doesn't explain it because people born blind are able to see in their nde. DMT doesn't cure blindness

DMT creates hallucinations. Blind people can have hallucinations

 

[deflagrat]

A part of me can't believe everything is random and nothing happens after death. Maybe there is a scientific explanation for death aswell, we don't know because we are still a primitive species who invented computers not even half a century ago. Giving an actual answer is something for people living, for example, 2000 years from now. I think there are many walls to break in order to get to that point.

Saying "there is nothing after death" takes no brain whatsoever. That's far too simplistic, yet there are people who believe in that idea because "we have enough evidence". No, we do not have enough evidence no matter what you say. If you don't know if the cat is still alive inside the box, how could you possibly know? It's either 99 %, or uncertainty based on our beliefs, and by the time we know "for sure" we will be masters of our own bodies (which means we have achieved immortality).

 

[Lisa]

DMT creates hallucinations. Blind people can have hallucinations

Vision is not a hallucination.

What you're saying would make sense in cases where the person wasn't born congenitally blind. If the person had vision at some point in their life, then their hallucinations can be visual. Not so, however, for those who were born congenitally blind. Their dreams don't have visuals. During nde it's the first time they can see.

Also, the elderly who have Dimentia experience clear mindedness and no Dimentia at moments near their death. And this is not via an nde. This is while awake. It is because their consciousness is beginning to separate from their body.

But as I've stated in all my replies, no one has 100 percent proof either way. That's why I didn't ask whether or not an afterlife exists. My question on this thread is simply this:

If you had an experience that points to the continuity of consciousness,please share. That's all.

 

[Lisa]

A part of me can't believe everything is random and nothing happens after death. Maybe there is a scientific explanation for death aswell, we don't know because we are still a primitive species who invented computers not even half a century ago. Giving an actual answer is something for people living, for example, 2000 years from now. I think there are many walls to break in order to get to that point.

Saying "there is nothing after death" takes no brain whatsoever. That's far too simplistic, yet there are people who believe in that idea because "we have enough evidence". No, we do not have enough evidence no matter what you say. If you don't know if the cat is still alive inside the box, how could you possibly know? It's either 99 %, or uncertainty based on our beliefs, and by the time we know "for sure" we will be masters of our own bodies (which means we have achieved immortality).

Perfect

 

[tMartin]

Also, the elderly who have Dimentia experience clear mindedness and no Dimentia at moments near their death.

Could you please link the source? Thanks

 

[Lisa]

Could you please link the source? Thanks

http://www.spiritualscientific.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Lucidity_at_Death_Nahm_M.9131800.pdf

 

[Thoughts95]

What did it make you think the afterlife is like?

I don't want to influence anyone on death. I respect the choice of suicide but I'd like to stay neutral. I would recommend shrooms for anyone here. I always stayed within 2-3.5 grams. I'm a bit scared of my own mind sober so I stay safe.

All I'll say is the trips I've done made being alive right now, but also impending death, more bearable.

 

[tMartin]

http://www.spiritualscientific.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Lucidity_at_Death_Nahm_M.9131800.pdf

Sorry if i answered late, but i'm using tor so i log-in rarely.
Well, i think that those cases weren't studied with modern medicine techniques, since they happened in the 19/20th century. The causes of the deaths weren't specified. Who knows what chemicals reactions happened in their brains? Ok, but let's assume that this TL is truly something of really spiritual. Then why those TL happened to such a small group of people with dementia? I think that this is just another case where something of apparently inexplicable by science is getting targeted as magic.