A warning about purchasing N

[creationisdeath]

Yes, and that has literally always been the risk if such a transaction; it can go missing, it can be intercepted, whatever. It's always a gamble that might not pay off, and it's a gamble often made by desperate people. The fact that $500 dollars is a lot of money is not as crucial a point here as you're making it out to be. It's always, always a gamble, and everything is stacked in favour of the vendor, but A does have a track record of delivering N; as always, some people get it, some sadly don't.

Suggesting it's wise to hold off on ordering given the above experiences is absolutely fair enough, but outing A as a scammer at this early stage is premature; the "A is a Scam, Actually" talk did the rounds last summer too, and people went on to get their N from him.

My experience with him proves he is a liar at the very least.

The $ amount is absolutely a crucial point. Lost 5$? Doesn't matter. You can try again and not be homeless/starve.

Most aggravating is that the people defending him often don't even intend to buy N themselves.

Packages are rarely intercepted. As in: one in hundreds. Maybe. Probably even less likely. Ask some crypto people if you don't believe me.
You can buy (and ship) hard illegal stuff easily. Unfortunately N is simply not something your usual drug dealer has in stock. Heroin? Easy. All sorts of ecstasy type pills? Easy.

That only leaves selective scamming. Blamed on the extremely mentally challenging task of keeping track of orders:

My Million Dollar Death Journal
============================

| address                                     | amount | tracking number |
|---------------------------------------------|--------|-----------------|
|  Simon Suicidal Stairway To Heaven 1 U.S.A. | 2      | 556689397039921 |
|                                             |        |                 |
|                                             |        |                 |

that is always being cited as a legitimate reason for never shipped orders.

As a vet.

"Accidentally euthanized the wrong dog, please pay anyway and come again with your next pet!"

 

[Arak]

After being in contact with a few people, it appears there is some confusion about the email address.

I used the .com addres, the one from the August PPEH that I think I verified with Chinaski.
I have my own versions of the PPEH August and October 2018, and it appears they are not entirely consistent. I did not check the link in the resources section.
I'm not comfortable about posting these addresses in the open, but then again if there is a plain link why shouldn't we ?

I know of someone who used a [email protected] address, while I recall that both the original <fullname>@protonmail.com and @protonmail.ch had the same <full name>. For me, this further confuses the issue.

My current situation is that I did not receive the product. Almost certainly, the original package was never shipped. The January email about the courier sending a week later than promised seemed a bit dodgy but promising at first. I have always been polite and friendly, and also patient till recently. The last promise about sending me a tracking number was not kept. Unless I get an email on Monday I will assume this product will never arrive. And if you see no further posts of mine about this you may assume I never got the product. I'm in Europe, not UK to be specific.

Someone else suggested 'Domingo' and referred to unnamed suicide websites. I know that 'D' has a bad rep here. But if A is known to Exit and various forums and digital copies of the PPEH have been posted it is fair to assume there is a lot of demand for his product. A mentioned he could only send 30 packages a week in his email. It is fair to assume demand is greater than supply. Did he ever turn down a customer, ask someone to wait or did he refuse a payment in any way ? I suspect he keeps the money coming and ships to the extent he can. That's speculation based on the reality.

 

[creationisdeath]

After being in contact with a few people, it appears there is some confusion about the email address.

I used the .com addres, the one from the August PPEH that I think I verified with Chinaski.
I have my own versions of the PPEH August and October 2018, and it appears they are not entirely consistent. I did not check the link in the resources section.
I'm not comfortable about posting these addresses in the open, but then again if there is a plain link why shouldn't we ?

I don't see any reason not to but some people always make a big drama out of it. I'll send you the ones I have used via PM if you like.

Domingo and Patrick are confirmed scammers. I know people that ordered from both. They just stopped responding after payment.

 

[Chinaski]

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The $ amount is absolutely a crucial point. Lost 5$? Doesn't matter. You can try again and not be homeless/starve.

Still not relevant. If it's $5, $500 or $5000, the buyer knows the price, the buyer knows the risks, the buyer also knows that A does have a track record of supplying which sets him apart from literally every other N vendor.

Yes, these reports are concerning, yes, he's essentially just a drug dealer and all talk of him being an altruistic angel of ctb is absolute nonsense and yes, he could definitely benefit from a Customer Service Helpdesk but the difference between A and a scammer is that A has delivered on many occasions. To reiterate, the complaints about his current level of service are legitimate given these reports, but prematurely relegating the only source of N to the same scam lower-league as Patrick / T et al will ensure these same vultures return for more easy pickings.

 

[creationisdeath]

Still not relevant. If it's $5, $500 or $5000, the buyer knows the price, the buyer knows the risks, the buyer also knows that A does have a track record of supplying which sets him apart from literally every other N vendor.

Yes, these reports are concerning, yes, he's essentially just a drug dealer and all talk of him being an altruistic angel of ctb is absolute nonsense and yes, he could definitely benefit from a Customer Service Helpdesk but the difference between A and a scammer is that A has delivered on many occasions. To reiterate, the complaints about his current level of service are legitimate given these reports, but prematurely relegating the only source of N to the same scam lower-league as Patrick / T et al will ensure these same vultures return for more easy pickings.

Selective-scamming is still scamming. Period.

It's smarter than just scamming outright since that only gets you banned immediately. Patrick was outed in a few days. Not as much profit in that.

A buyer doesn't expect these risks. There's no reason to calculate with 2-3-4 times of payments before possibly receiving your product when you can literally buy random drugs off Valhalla/whatever market is popular right now and have them before the end of the week. The success rate is like 99%.

Yes, sometimes people do receive their product. That's why I personally still try to get enough money to afford throwing a couple thousand dollars away. (At the $800 he quoted to me it adds up damn quickly - not even counting the additional fees you incur by buying bitcoin.)

People should consider other methods though. Smilla posted about that tank set that gets sold stupidly expensive - it is at least guaranteed to arrive. In some countries you can buy a gun and have a 100% guarantee to get it.

If you have money to waste sure, risk it. But even then, it's unnecessary additional trouble on your mind.

 

[JustAboutDone]

Essentially it comes down to 'buyer beware' and being prepared to face losing your money - not because A is not legitimate but because there are so many variables in the whole equation. There is clearly a limit to the amount he can supply versus demand and the logistics of shipping to countries that have very tight customs controls are a very real issue. I have had friends send me comestibles from overseas that have come kindly opened and repackaged by customs so don't think they don't know what's what.

I also agree there is a real danger that if people start writing A off as a scammer, it opens up a big black hole for t*ssers like "lovingmykids" and his mate T to step in.

So A, while inundated, still has a track record of supplying N. Which is more than anyone else has.

 

[ddutch]

After being in contact with a few people, it appears there is some confusion about the email address.

I used the .com addres, the one from the August PPEH that I think I verified with Chinaski.
I have my own versions of the PPEH August and October 2018, and it appears they are not entirely consistent. I did not check the link in the resources section.
I'm not comfortable about posting these addresses in the open, but then again if there is a plain link why shouldn't we ?

I know of someone who used a [email protected] address, while I recall that both the original <fullname>@protonmail.com and @protonmail.ch had the same <full name>. For me, this further confuses the issue.

My current situation is that I did not receive the product. Almost certainly, the original package was never shipped. The January email about the courier sending a week later than promised seemed a bit dodgy but promising at first. I have always been polite and friendly, and also patient till recently. The last promise about sending me a tracking number was not kept. Unless I get an email on Monday I will assume this product will never arrive. And if you see no further posts of mine about this you may assume I never got the product. I'm in Europe, not UK to be specific.

Someone else suggested 'Domingo' and referred to unnamed suicide websites. I know that 'D' has a bad rep here. But if A is known to Exit and various forums and digital copies of the PPEH have been posted it is fair to assume there is a lot of demand for his product. A mentioned he could only send 30 packages a week in his email. It is fair to assume demand is greater than supply. Did he ever turn down a customer, ask someone to wait or did he refuse a payment in any way ? I suspect he keeps the money coming and ships to the extent he can. That's speculation based on the reality.

Both email are legit of the book and work fine. I even have a old yahoo adress of him.
I used the ProtonMail. Ch

I got mine and so do others.

 

[Chinaski]

If you have money to waste sure, risk it. But even then, it's unnecessary additional trouble on your mind.

This has always been the way of such a transaction. You take a big risk by sending big money to an overseas drug dealer and there is a reasonable possibility N will be delivered to you in return. There is also a reasonable chance that it might not. The situation regarding N from A is the same in that respect to how it's always been.

 

[Arak]

I wrote in my previous post that it would be the last, more or less.
But one comment: stating that a product has been shipped after payment to a well known vendor with a good reputation while that has not actually happened, more than once is shady at best. It's something people do not expect.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm sorry you went through this. There is a risk involved if you order N from A. And I know how it feels like, waiting for that sweet Nembutal to arrive. Luckily, in my case, it did arrive and it took exactly 2 weeks, which was very fast for A's standard. It sucks spending so much money when the product doesn't arrive, it's really frustrating. I hope you find a peaceful method though. One or the other way.

 

[Chinaski]

well known vendor with a good reputation

A is not Amazon, he is basically an international drug trafficker, and such a transaction carries all the risks you'd expect, including very shit customer service and the possibility that your N won't arrive.

 

[ddutch]

Shit happens

Life did not turn out of what we hoped it to be. Some came to the discussion to buy it and risk come with it.

And like i said and also Chinaski

A operates like a drug organization and doesn't do this alone. That everybody had his part in by ordering.
Its not Ebay or Amazon with a customer care service desk.

He is in this for many years and he is not a small fish

 

[Arak]

It almost seems as if @Chinaski and some other people have started to defend A. While reports of receiving are welcome in this thread, this applies even more so to those that did not receive.

Obviously, there are satisfied customers.

Let me put it bluntly: if there is a pattern of A accepting orders and money and then does not even ship the package and also does not reship the package when he promises to do so, then that makes him a selective scammer. The correct course of action on A's part would be to hold off orders and money if needed and to reship the packages he 'forgot' to ship with priority !

He is listed in the PPEH with authority, he is not just mentioned on a random website. We need to know the facts and should judge him on his actions. Even drug dealers on the Dark Web are expected to ship the goods customers pay for.

 

[Chinaski]

It almost seems as if @Chinaski and some other people have started to defend A.

Guess again. I've quite clearly stated that these reports are unsatisfactory and that l, personally, would be inclined to hold off from ordering as a result.

Stating the actual fact that A has a track record of delivering N is absolutely fair mitigation against allegation that he's a scammer. You're the person describing A as a "well known vendor with a good reputation", when even the most basic scan through the megathread will tell you his reputation for communication is poor, his customer service is far from being retail standard, and his success rate is not 100%. The only truly positive feedback is that he is literally the only accessible source of N, everything else is froth.

 

[Pulpit2018]

People,for the last time:
Currently there is NO reliable source of N.Period.Reliable as in dead certain you will get what you pay,like from getting it from a store.
The best there is a mexican drug dealer supplying N.It is exactly as it sounds.

Whether he is selective scamming or not,your are gambling with your money.
Personally i would never spend that much money and have no guarantee.But thats just me.
If people want to gamble,its their money.

 

[Arak]

Since I don't want to engage in a continuing argument with people I politely refer to the opening post.

 

[ddutch]

People,for the last time:
Currently there is NO reliable source of N.Period.Reliable as in dead certain you will get what you pay,like from getting it from a store.
The best there is a mexican drug dealer supplying N.It is exactly as it sounds.

Whether he is selective scamming or not,your are gambling with your money.
Personally i would never spend that much money and have no guarantee.But thats just me.
If people want to gamble,its their money.

And when lost just accept it.
Thats the gamble and risk of this route

 

[Johnnythefox]

To put it simply!

*If you are going to order N from A, do so at your own risk as delivery is not guaranteed *

 

[Chinaski]

Since I don't want to engage in a continuing argument with people I politely refer to the opening post.

Mate, if people have gotten this far down the thread, chances are they've already read it. Absolutely pointless post.

 

[Nofaith]

I despair because I've told people it's not about getting N. I want other members know all the risks not just seizure by customs.

Like I said, people don't read the whole Megathread. There's like 30+ pages.
The fact you have people here starting threads, just asking for the email address tell you that.
People in distress don't have time to read all the information and make an informative decision.

There are statements here being totally fabricated, just to cause an argument.
I don't want this thread getting locked or deleted.
The fact it was pinned should tell you something.

I'm not asking for your sympathy I'm just trying to warn others, end of.

Please be respectful to your fellow sufferers here.

 

[Chinaski]

There are statements here being totally fabricated, just to cause an argument.

Which statements have been totally fabricated?

 

[creationisdeath]

Guess again. I've quite clearly stated that these reports are unsatisfactory and that l, personally, would be inclined to hold off from ordering as a result.

Stating the actual fact that A has a track record of delivering N is absolutely fair mitigation against allegation that he's a scammer. You're the person describing A as a "well known vendor with a good reputation", when even the most basic scan through the megathread will tell you his reputation for communication is poor, his customer service is far from being retail standard, and his success rate is not 100%. The only truly positive feedback is that he is literally the only accessible source of N, everything else is froth.

The issue is that people treat him as reputable. He's not.

There are 2 options:

- He's a selective scammer. Very likely if you don't believe him to be suffering from Alzheimers
- He has Alzheimers and legitimately does not have the mental capability required to use a notepad/spreadsheet/piece of toilet paper to keep track of orders

Hence we should stop calling him reputable.

Yes, you can get it. Yes, the chances of getting it on your first try are bad. I have originally signed up to get Patrick's email address and I have been watching A/N closely for a while since I thought it was the holy grail of my dream of falling asleep and ascending. It's not even 50%.

It's much more gamble than any other drug transaction as I have said already. You can try ordering random drugs if you like. Someone who has been active in crypto more recently than me is sure to know the currently popular market. They will arrive with a very high chance, and very quickly. Reputation is king.

A is NOT even close to being a reputable vendor. BUT, he is a vendor. That's all.

It almost seems as if @Chinaski and some other people have started to defend A. While reports of receiving are welcome in this thread, this applies even more so to those that did not receive.

Obviously, there are satisfied customers.

Let me put it bluntly: if there is a pattern of A accepting orders and money and then does not even ship the package and also does not reship the package when he promises to do so, then that makes him a selective scammer. The correct course of action on A's part would be to hold off orders and money if needed and to reship the packages he 'forgot' to ship with priority !

He is listed in the PPEH with authority, he is not just mentioned on a random website. We need to know the facts and should judge him on his actions. Even drug dealers on the Dark Web are expected to ship the goods customers pay for.

Thank you. Everyone who ever dealt with the "darkweb" or even real world dealers knows that this is not something you expect. Scammers never reach this status in the first place.

But that's how Exit works to begin with: They sell hope to people who can afford it. See that thread on Mr. SN. It didn't work? Well, no problem, just buy our next top secret hidden trick that only -5 people on the planet know! You only need to twist your nipples counterclockwise while hitting send! Satisfaction guaranteed!*

*for us

 

[Nofaith]

Which statements have been totally fabricated?

Not rising to it.

 

[Chinaski]

Not rising to it.

Rising to what? You're the one who made an allegation of fabricated posts, surely we're entitled to know which parts of this thread are true and which are to be considered false.

Fwiw, what we have here is a bad experience of ordering N from A. Thank you for letting us know you had a bad experience, which is sadly not unique to you, but thankfully not the universal experience either. That's basically the gist of the thread, right? I'm not sure what else you were expecting in reply.

 

[Chinaski]

A is NOT even close to being a reputable vendor. BUT, he is a vendor. That's all.

Yes. Completely agree. This is surely what people base their punt on when paying A for N. They're giving big cash in blind faith to an international drug dealer who is sadly the only viable option to getting N.

I don't think anyone has given A a 5 star review. The majority of people who have successfully ordered have also complained about his communication, the waiting time, the disorganised approach to his work, the clearly mercenary nature of it, whatever. It's just accepted that if you need N, this is the only way of getting it, sadly.

 

[ReadyasEver]

How many times does it need to be expressed? People are dealing with a drug trafficker and this is illegal. There is associated risk in this. A has delivered to many people, and many have problems. Please, remember the realm in which you working here. Guarantees are extremely hard to come by, and when you are dealing with an illegal activity of a controlled substance, this is your risk. If you do not have the financial means at all to risk 500-1000 US dollars, then this is not your answer.

 

[ddutch]

How many times does it need to be expressed? People are dealing with a drug trafficker and this is illegal. There is associated risk in this. A has delivered to many people, and many have problems. Please, remember the realm in which you working here. Guarantees are extremely hard to come buy, and when you are dealing with an illegal activity of a controlled substance, this is your risk. If you do not have the financial means at all to risk 500-1000 US dollars, then this not your answer.

Well said

And fabricating statements LMAO.
Nothing is fabricated here by us.

 

[Chinaski]

Nothing is fabricated here by us.

Tbf, quite a lot actually is, which is why l asked what was specifically being referred to as such.

 

[ddutch]

Tbf, quite a lot actually is, which is why l asked what was specifically being referred to as such.

He is talking about this subject and post here.. And was referring to you and probably me LOL

 

[iHeartRockArt]

Alright guys this thread is turning into a big pointless derailed argument. Everyone please be respectful so that I don't have to close it. You all can have a discussion, and keep it civil. Thank you.