A warning about purchasing N

[Nofaith]

I've thought a lot about posting this and while it is a rant; I feel I have a responsibility to warn others.

I know a lot of people have successfully ordered from N from A. But I also know there are a few of us who have a less than satisfactory experience.

I wanted to post this separately because no one is going to read through the entire Megathread. Most only want the email address but this is something potential buyers should be aware of.

I ordered my N 3 months ago and it still hasn't been sent.
Not arrived *sent*.

I understand that A is the only trusted supplier and for that reason is incredibly busy.

I also understand that A was out of commission for a short period of time last Autumn.

My order was placed before that period. He had stated he would send me the tracking number after the package had been dispatched. I never received confirmation but couldn't chase it up because by then A had taken leave. It was just over a month before I could enquire.

It took another month of me continuously having to email A for an update because I kept being told he was "looking into it" but he would never come back to me.

Please note, I would wait for a week for a reply which I thought was more than enough time.

When I finally got a reply, he gave me two tracking numbers stating one of them was mine.

Three weeks after postage, I was able to view the destination of the packages via the tracking number.

I was not pleased with what I saw. I emailed A again to say neither of these packages are heading my way, they are going to different cities. He assured me that one of them was mine, as they were the only parcels posted that day, heading to my country.

A week after that, both packages were delivered but none to me. Just as I suspected, they were someone else's order.

After the mix up, of it not being dispatched to begin with and it being over a month since payment, I would have thought that A would have made sure my order was dispatched.

Instead, I was given 2 random tracking numbers.

Of which, I now have details of where those particular packages are, as I'm sure the postal company does too.

I was in contact with a member here (let's call them S) who paid around the same time I did. Member S how now passed.

Member S never received their package. Apparently, it was intercepted by customs but I'm not entirely sure. Member S had to chase for confirmation of dispatch and was given 5 tracking numbers and told one of them was theirs.

Member S also paid for the private courier option.

Here's the interesting part.

If you got the introduction email then you know that the private courier option does not come with a tracking number for security reasons.

According to the email, once customers are given the tracking number, the package is seized. But Member S was given 5 tracking numbers!

I can't say whether Member S's package was actually seized or whether it was someone's else's order. Member S was so distressed at the time, I don't think they would have had the energy to do a full enquiry.

It's one thing to order and have your package intercepted by Customs. It's an entirely different matter to not have it dispatched at all.

I don't know what is going on and it's not like any of us is in a position to enquire.

What I do know is there is a number of us who have paid and never had our order dispatched.

Please see
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/page-40#post-198105

There is also a lack of security.

A lot of people jump through hoops to buy N and cover their tracks. It seems pointless though, if tracking numbers are given out willy nilly and not even to the specific buyer. It only takes a phone call and those addresses could be compromised.

Update (3 weeks ago):
Have received reply from A stating package may have been detained by customs. But without a tracking number I have no way to confirm that.

I basically have to go on blind faith it was posted.

I was told he had several more tracking numbers to go through but I said that he already tried that (just before he gave me the two tracking numbers) and was unsuccessful. He agreed to scratch that idea and send a "free" order.

I don't like that term "free" because I'm not entirely sure my first paid for order was sent.

Further update:
My order was supposed to be dispatched on the 5th January but then A emailed again to ask for my details, which I had already provided several times in the same email.

If only he had bothered to scroll down to look. This is something I've noticed, the need to keep asking questions I've already answered and basically stalling for time.

So, because of that my package was supposedly dispatched on the 12th (but it was never confirmed). I was informed that he would pass me the tracking number on the following Thursday because that's when he'll receive it.

So far nothing.

I have emailed him to enquire what the tracking number is but I've yet to receive a reply.

From what I've been told he hands the bottles and address to a courier and the courier is supposed to send your order. Then he gets a list of tracking numbers.

He's not sure whether the courier is sending orders to customers or what.

WTF

I think is pretty shocking that you have an employee working for you and you don't know what they're doing with orders?!

He doesn't seem to be phased at all to admit that.

You can't be taking people's money and be unsure orders are actually being shipped.

What kind of business practice is that?

It may not be him stealing but he's responsible for his staff and their actions. So, the fault lies with him and it's his duty to fix it. And the solution is… to use the same method as before and hope it's posted this time.

You know the definition of madness, right?

In conclusion:
Take from it what you will.

Like I said, I might be in a minority here, of people who have had problems with purchases. I don't like feeling I've been ripped off, so I'm more proactive in chasing up.

Not everyone feels that way.

There may be other members here who have purchased, never received anything but also never enquired and just kept quiet about the whole ordeal.

I know a lot of people will defend him because he's the only supplier. But it's a lot different when orders are paid for and not being shipped.

I'm not overly comfortable in the way A is endorsed as being a reliable seller by people who have never purchased from him or don't intend to.

He may have a well been reliable once but having a monopoly on the market and more orders can drastically change things.

Potential buyers PLEASE be aware and cautious, if you decide to go ahead with a purchase.
It's a lot of money to hand over and get nothing in return.

 

[Broken]

I've thought a lot about posting this and while it is a rant; I feel I have a responsibility to warn others.

I know a lot of people have successfully ordered from N from A. But I also know there are a few of us who have a less than satisfactory experience.

I wanted to post this separately because no one is going to read through the entire Megathread. Most only want the email address but this is something potential buyers should be aware of.

I ordered my N 3 months ago and it still hasn't been sent.
Not arrived *sent*.

I understand that A is the only trusted supplier and for that reason is incredibly busy.

I also understand that A was out of commission for a short period of time last Autumn.

My order was placed before that period. He had stated he would send me the tracking number after the package had been dispatched. I never received confirmation but couldn't chase it up because by then A had taken leave. It was just over a month before I could enquire.

It took another month of me continuously having to email A for an update because I kept being told he was "looking into it" but he would never come back to me.

Please note, I would wait for a week for a reply which I thought was more than enough time.

When I finally got a reply, he gave me two tracking numbers stating one of them was mine.

Three weeks after postage, I was able to view the destination of the packages via the tracking number.

I was not pleased with what I saw. I emailed A again to say neither of these packages are heading my way, they are going to different cities. He assured me that one of them was mine, as they were the only parcels posted that day, heading to my country.

A week after that, both packages were delivered but none to me. Just as I suspected, they were someone else's order.

After the mix up, of it not being dispatched to begin with and it being over a month since payment, I would have thought that A would have made sure my order was dispatched.

Instead, I was given 2 random tracking numbers.

Of which, I now have details of where those particular packages are, as I'm sure the postal company does too.

I was in contact with a member here (let's call them S) who paid around the same time I did. Member S how now passed.

Member S never received their package. Apparently, it was intercepted by customs but I'm not entirely sure. Member S had to chase for confirmation of dispatch and was given 5 tracking numbers and told one of them was theirs.

Member S also paid for the private courier option.

Here's the interesting part.

If you got the introduction email then you know that the private courier option does not come with a tracking number for security reasons.

According to the email, once customers are given the tracking number, the package is seized. But Member S was given 5 tracking numbers!

I can't say whether Member S's package was actually seized or whether it was someone's else's order. Member S was so distressed at the time, I don't think they would have had the energy to do a full enquiry.

It's one thing to order and have your package intercepted by Customs. It's an entirely different matter to not have it dispatched at all.

I don't know what is going on and it's not like any of us is in a position to enquire.

What I do know is there is a number of us who have paid and never had our order dispatched.

Please see
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/page-40#post-198105

There is also a lack of security.

A lot of people jump through hoops to buy N and cover their tracks. It seems pointless though, if tracking numbers are given out willy nilly and not even to the specific buyer. It only takes a phone call and those addresses could be compromised.

Update (3 weeks ago):
Have received reply from A stating package may have been detained by customs. But without a tracking number I have no way to confirm that.

I basically have to go on blind faith it was posted.

I was told he had several more tracking numbers to go through but I said that he already tried that (just before he gave me the two tracking numbers) and was unsuccessful. He agreed to scratch that idea and send a "free" order.

I don't like that term "free" because I'm not entirely sure my first paid for order was sent.

Further update:
My order was supposed to be dispatched on the 5th but then A emailed again to ask for my details, which I had already provided several times in the same email.

If only he had bothered to scroll down to look. This is something I've noticed, the need to keep asking questions I've already answered and basically stalling for time.

So, because of that my package was supposedly dispatched on the 12th (but it was never confirmed). I was informed that he would pass me the tracking number on the following Thursday because that's when he'll receive it.

So far nothing.

I have emailed him to enquire what the tracking number is but I've yet to see a reply.

From what I've been told he hands the bottles and address to a courier and the courier is supposed to send your order. Then he gets a list of tracking numbers.

He's not sure whether the courier is sending orders to customers or what.

WTF

I think is pretty shocking that you have an employee working for you and you don't know what they're doing with orders?!

He doesn't seem to be phased at all to admit that.

You can't be taking people's money and be unsure orders are actually being shipped.

What kind of business practice is that?

It may not be him stealing but he's responsible for his staff and their actions. So, the fault lies with him and it's his duty to fix it. And the solution is… to use the same method as before and hope it's posted this time.

You know the definition of madness, right?

In conclusion:
Take from it what you will.

Like I said, I might be in a minority here, of people who have had problems with purchases. I don't like feeling I've been ripped off, so I'm more proactive in chasing up.

Not everyone feels that way.

There may be other members here who have purchased, never received anything but also never enquired and just kept quiet about the whole ordeal.

I know a lot of people will defend him because he's the only supplier. But it's a lot different when orders are paid for and not being shipped.

I'm not overly comfortable in the way A is endorsed as being a reliable seller by people who have never purchased from him or don't intend to.

He may have a well been reliable once but having a monopoly on the market and more orders can drastically change things.

Potential buyers PLEASE be aware and cautious, if you decide to go ahead with a purchase.
It's a lot of money to hand over and get nothing in return.

I'll be following the replies to this thread with interest. I know of someone that is waiting on n at the mo

 

[Nofaith]

I'll be following the replies to this thread with interest. I know of someone that is waiting on n at the mo

You and me both.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I've thought a lot about posting this and while it is a rant; I feel I have a responsibility to warn others.

I know a lot of people have successfully ordered from N from A. But I also know there are a few of us who have a less than satisfactory experience.

I wanted to post this separately because no one is going to read through the entire Megathread. Most only want the email address but this is something potential buyers should be aware of.

I ordered my N 3 months ago and it still hasn't been sent.
Not arrived *sent*.

I understand that A is the only trusted supplier and for that reason is incredibly busy.

I also understand that A was out of commission for a short period of time last Autumn.

My order was placed before that period. He had stated he would send me the tracking number after the package had been dispatched. I never received confirmation but couldn't chase it up because by then A had taken leave. It was just over a month before I could enquire.

It took another month of me continuously having to email A for an update because I kept being told he was "looking into it" but he would never come back to me.

Please note, I would wait for a week for a reply which I thought was more than enough time.

When I finally got a reply, he gave me two tracking numbers stating one of them was mine.

Three weeks after postage, I was able to view the destination of the packages via the tracking number.

I was not pleased with what I saw. I emailed A again to say neither of these packages are heading my way, they are going to different cities. He assured me that one of them was mine, as they were the only parcels posted that day, heading to my country.

A week after that, both packages were delivered but none to me. Just as I suspected, they were someone else's order.

After the mix up, of it not being dispatched to begin with and it being over a month since payment, I would have thought that A would have made sure my order was dispatched.

Instead, I was given 2 random tracking numbers.

Of which, I now have details of where those particular packages are, as I'm sure the postal company does too.

I was in contact with a member here (let's call them S) who paid around the same time I did. Member S how now passed.

Member S never received their package. Apparently, it was intercepted by customs but I'm not entirely sure. Member S had to chase for confirmation of dispatch and was given 5 tracking numbers and told one of them was theirs.

Member S also paid for the private courier option.

Here's the interesting part.

If you got the introduction email then you know that the private courier option does not come with a tracking number for security reasons.

According to the email, once customers are given the tracking number, the package is seized. But Member S was given 5 tracking numbers!

I can't say whether Member S's package was actually seized or whether it was someone's else's order. Member S was so distressed at the time, I don't think they would have had the energy to do a full enquiry.

It's one thing to order and have your package intercepted by Customs. It's an entirely different matter to not have it dispatched at all.

I don't know what is going on and it's not like any of us is in a position to enquire.

What I do know is there is a number of us who have paid and never had our order dispatched.

Please see
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/megathread-getting-n-from-a.2544/page-40#post-198105

There is also a lack of security.

A lot of people jump through hoops to buy N and cover their tracks. It seems pointless though, if tracking numbers are given out willy nilly and not even to the specific buyer. It only takes a phone call and those addresses could be compromised.

Update (3 weeks ago):
Have received reply from A stating package may have been detained by customs. But without a tracking number I have no way to confirm that.

I basically have to go on blind faith it was posted.

I was told he had several more tracking numbers to go through but I said that he already tried that (just before he gave me the two tracking numbers) and was unsuccessful. He agreed to scratch that idea and send a "free" order.

I don't like that term "free" because I'm not entirely sure my first paid for order was sent.

Further update:
My order was supposed to be dispatched on the 5th but then A emailed again to ask for my details, which I had already provided several times in the same email.

If only he had bothered to scroll down to look. This is something I've noticed, the need to keep asking questions I've already answered and basically stalling for time.

So, because of that my package was supposedly dispatched on the 12th (but it was never confirmed). I was informed that he would pass me the tracking number on the following Thursday because that's when he'll receive it.

So far nothing.

I have emailed him to enquire what the tracking number is but I've yet to see a reply.

From what I've been told he hands the bottles and address to a courier and the courier is supposed to send your order. Then he gets a list of tracking numbers.

He's not sure whether the courier is sending orders to customers or what.

WTF

I think is pretty shocking that you have an employee working for you and you don't know what they're doing with orders?!

He doesn't seem to be phased at all to admit that.

You can't be taking people's money and be unsure orders are actually being shipped.

What kind of business practice is that?

It may not be him stealing but he's responsible for his staff and their actions. So, the fault lies with him and it's his duty to fix it. And the solution is… to use the same method as before and hope it's posted this time.

You know the definition of madness, right?

In conclusion:
Take from it what you will.

Like I said, I might be in a minority here, of people who have had problems with purchases. I don't like feeling I've been ripped off, so I'm more proactive in chasing up.

Not everyone feels that way.

There may be other members here who have purchased, never received anything but also never enquired and just kept quiet about the whole ordeal.

I know a lot of people will defend him because he's the only supplier. But it's a lot different when orders are paid for and not being shipped.

I'm not overly comfortable in the way A is endorsed as being a reliable seller by people who have never purchased from him or don't intend to.

He may have a well been reliable once but having a monopoly on the market and more orders can drastically change things.

Potential buyers PLEASE be aware and cautious, if you decide to go ahead with a purchase.
It's a lot of money to hand over and get nothing in return.

Thanks for that information, I'm glad I didn't go ahead and order, even though I've been contemplating it more recently.

 

[Broken]

Thanks for that information, I'm glad I didn't go ahead and order, even though I've been contemplating it more recently.

I've just been getting to the point where I was going to respond to the initial email I got from a. Will be waiting now me thinks

 

[Chinaski]

Thanks for that information, I'm glad I didn't go ahead and order, even though I've been contemplating it more recently.

I know of a fair few people who definitely got their N from A with limited fuss prior to his hiatus. This is why l maintain he is a reliable supplier. As soon as he went on hiatus two sophisticated scams emerged to fill the demand; this is why "if ordering N, only order from A" is posted with such regularity, and rightly so imo. The info in the OP is certainly concerning as it not only suggests the only reliable source is going rogue, but it also opens up space for further scammers and bullshitters to prey on the desperate.

I'm aware that the Exit forum is currently down and given their continued endorsement for the Domingo scam they're not exactly keeping their eye on the ball, but if anyone here can access Exit and source further feedback on this it would be very helpful.

 

[Xerxes]

I'm reading all these reports on A and another dude. Makes me not trust Exit International at all. From security standpoint, A is a popular name in suicide circles, so therefore vultures will congregate on that and come up with scams mimicking A. It's almost a non-viable method or source. Your best bet is to travel to Mexico and obtain N yourself rather than fork out money to a stranger that may or may not deliver.

 

[Taylored]

Thank you for the information I'll be watching closely too.

 

[Aesthler]

I'm reading all these reports on A and another dude. Makes me not trust Exit International at all. From security standpoint, A is a popular name in suicide circles, so therefore vultures will congregate on that and come up with scams mimicking A. It's almost a non-viable method or source. Your best bet is to travel to Mexico and obtain N yourself rather than fork out money to a stranger that may or may not deliver.

I think this is probably the best bet, if you can iron out all the inherent factors involved here as well. Nothing is perfect, traveling to Mexico has it's costs and the reliability would depend on vet suppliers having the product and be willing to sell it to you. At least you'd feel more in control I suppose.

 

[Nofaith]

I'm reading all these reports on A and another dude. Makes me not trust Exit International at all. From security standpoint, A is a popular name in suicide circles, so therefore vultures will congregate on that and come up with scams mimicking A. It's almost a non-viable method or source. Your best bet is to travel to Mexico and obtain N yourself rather than fork out money to a stranger that may or may not deliver.

Mexico isn't local and at the time, I had only heard good things. Of course if people are having a bad experience and not coming forward, then the reviews are likely to be biased.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I'm reading all these reports on A and another dude. Makes me not trust Exit International at all. From security standpoint, A is a popular name in suicide circles, so therefore vultures will congregate on that and come up with scams mimicking A. It's almost a non-viable method or source. Your best bet is to travel to Mexico and obtain N yourself rather than fork out money to a stranger that may or may not deliver.

From what I've read, travelling to Mexico seems a bit of a mixed bag. Some people say they've found "helpful" taxi drivers who've taken them to little places where they've been able to make instant purchases for approx $25 and others are given the cold shoulder.

 

[Chinaski]

I think this is probably the best bet, if you can iron out all the inherent factors involved here as well. Nothing is perfect, traveling to Mexico has it's costs and the reliability would depend on vet suppliers having the product and be willing to sell it to you. At least you'd feel more in control I suppose.

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that it's been remotely possible to buy N in Mexico for a very long time tbh, if that's the best option it's probably wise to switch methods imo.

 

[Xerxes]

They always said death is never easy when you want it, but easy as hell when you don't want it.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I don't know if anyone wants to verify the email information in the PPeH, I read somewhere of a scam were only one letter is different. It might be an e in his first name instead of an a or it's his surname, I can't recall for definite.

 

[Broken]

I'm pretty confident the initial email I recieved was from a

 

[Aesthler]

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that it's been remotely possible to buy N in Mexico for a very long time tbh, if that's the best option it's probably wise to switch methods imo.

This could very well be true, I wouldn't bet my suicide on N either way. I know it's the gold standard but I say always have a backup plan.

 

[Xerxes]

Just like any other drug that's popular, getting a good source is hard unless you're in the loop with dealers. For every one legit dealer, there's a thousand scammers pretending to be that person. N is a popular drug of choice for euthanasia and thanks to Exit Int, is more popular throughout the world. 2-3 dealers supplying it vs thousands of people who want in on it, any predator would get in on scamming the desperate. And how would you know if the N you got is legit? It could be baking soda, sugar, salt, or bleach.

Like Chinaski mentioned, it's time to research other methods.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I'll have a look and see if I can find it, it's
external to the site.

 

[Broken]

Lol can't we put a poll on this thread. Did you receive n or not!?

 

[Deleted member 4993]

I feel sorry for anyone at this point in time tbh, I like others were lucky that there were other suppliers and a choice of sources.

 

[Chinaski]

I don't know if anyone wants to verify the email information in the PPeH, I read somewhere of a scam were only one letter is different. It might be an e in his first name instead of an a or it's his surname, I can't recall for definite.

Yeah, these gonzalez_gullible@scamsnet edits are common and are apparently flying around all over the place, but those who ordered successfully did so by using the PPH page in the resources section of this site.

 

[Arak]

I'll add here that one could wonder if A's 'surgery' was not something else.

Vet, drug dealer ? I've seen data from the tracking numbers.

I suspect that demand is greater than supply. I also suspect that he's quite willing to take orders and money, but that he doesn't have the stock to deliver. Has he ever said 'no' ?

 

[Asdr5633]

I don't know if anyone wants to verify the email information in the PPeH, I read somewhere of a scam were only one letter is different. It might be an e in his first name instead of an a or it's his surname, I can't recall for definite.

There are many different scam emails with all the variations you could think of. Only way to know for sure you have the legit one is to buy the PPeH yourself, otherwise you could be viewing one that has been modified.

 

[Ntothed]

Surprising that there is only one source for reliable N where there is such a massive market for it. How have others not caught on to this and how aren't their more sources to purchase from?

 

[Karl30]

Maybe customs took your order

 

[Chinaski]

Surprising that there is only one source for reliable N where there is such a massive market for it. How have others not caught on to this and how aren't their more sources to purchase from?

I'd imagine that's because it's very difficult to source without the correct credentials and highly risky to export.

 

[Nofaith]

Maybe customs took your order

Maybe but I wasn't given a tracking number to confirm.

 

[OnlyMercy]

I paid quite a substantial amount on my first order of N for two bottles.

When it became clear that I was highly unlikely to ever receive the first order, A insisted on charging me YET AGAIN for the reshipment albeit at a subsidised amount. Unfortunately I could only afford one bottle for the second order (yes, even at the discounted price) and will somehow hope that this works out for me.

I don't know if this is of any significance but I ordered from A shortly after his return from "surgery".

It is quite evident that A has made a fairly decent profit from running this venture. I paid by Bitcoin and investigated the total payments made to one of the wallets A uses for this purpose - anyone can do this as the information is in the public domain. He must be close to millionaire status just based on Bitcoin payments alone. Perhaps he's decided to close shop and slowly let his brand decline?

What a big unfortunate mess really...

 

[Johnnythefox]

There are many different scam emails with all the variations you could think of. Only way to know for sure you have the legit one is to buy the PPeH yourself, otherwise you could be viewing one that has been modified.

This is all I can find for now, and as you say it could be a modified PPeH, that was why I suggested verification if that's possible.

*Scam, only legit source is Alejandro NOT Alejendro*

 

[Nofaith]

I paid quite a substantial amount on my first order of N for two bottles.

When it became clear that I was highly unlikely to ever receive the first order, A insisted on charging me YET AGAIN for the reshipment albeit at a subsidised amount. Unfortunately I could only afford one bottle for the second order (yes, even at the discounted price) and will somehow hope that this works out for me.

I don't know if this is of any significance but I ordered from A shortly after his return from "surgery".

It is quite evident that A has made a fairly decent profit from running this venture. I paid by Bitcoin and investigated the total payments made to one of the wallets A uses for this purpose - anyone can do this as the information is in the public domain. He must be close to millionaire status just based on Bitcoin payments alone. Perhaps he's decided to close shop and slowly let his brand decline?

What a big unfortunate mess really...

I'm sorry to hear that.
Did you get a tracking number to confirm the first order was sent or was it held by customs?