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It's old news by now. What can I say? It seems like the battle to take down this site is failing, though perhaps we need to wait and see what happens. I honestly doubt they will be successful in taking down this site because it's in another country altogether. Even if they manage to take it down. Someone else will put one up in the future. The truth will always prevail no matter what despite the witch hunts. Mob rule won't work long term.
 
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Yeah, it is old news. I still stalk them out to see what nonsense they're spewing out of their mouths about us out of curiosity. They'll never take us down. If I am a murderer for allowing someone else peace, if that's what murder means, then hot damn ok, I am indeed a murderer.
 
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Shamana

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Personally I don't think anyone can fault the mother for feeling the way she does. It's difficult to say to whether a 25 year old battling severe depression was stuck in a temporary situation that might have gotten better with time. Do you expect parent's to young adults with mental health problems to go "Yay!" how amazing that there is community who helps young depressed people kill themselves?
 
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thomasdoyletad

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You know if my daughter killed hserself I'd consider reflecting on my own behaviour before I started casting about for scapegoats.

She had her issues.

And you obviously had no idea how severe they were. You daughter wanted to die, and you didn't even know it. Speaks volumes about your level of trust and communication.

We were working on it.

Yeah you were clearly shining beacons of support who could not possibly have been more supportive or had a more perfect relationship with your daughter. No need to look in the mirror. Just blame the evil death-cult that only exists in your imagination. They clearly had more influence over her behaviour than you did, right? I mean obviously.
 
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omoidarui

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Apr 30, 2019
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I still feel tremendously sorry for the family even though this is old news.

I dislike all the finger-pointing... both from their side and ours. She was 25-years-old, she made her own decision. Nobody's to blame. The only thing that can possibly be blamed is the wageslavery system we have in this world that literally made her post: "I'm thinking of ctb in a few days and I'm not going to work today or ever again."
 
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thomasdoyletad

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I dislike all the finger-pointing... both from their side and ours

Maybe I've been embittered by my experiences, because I've seen this happen before, but everything about their reaction stinks of them having found a handy scapegoat to cling to, but my point is not to say her family are at fault. Merely that it's depressing to see a family reacting to this, the realisation that their daughter was suicidal, not with self-reflection, i.e 'how did we not realise it was this serious?' or even anger towards the things that had brought her to that state, criticism of the mental health system, or anything else that might produce some sort of positive outcome, but by instead inventing some safety-blanket narrative in which she was somehow forced to end her life by some nonexistent online 'death-cult,' and trying to kick up a moral panic over it.

The only thing that can possibly be blamed is the wageslavery system

Kind of resembles a pointed finger : P
 
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JoeFailure

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Apr 29, 2019
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I understand her parents feeling all kinds of emotions and probably being mad at this site. They don't understand it and they're under the trauma of what happened.

It's not always like this, but I do think there's a core group of people here that actually for the most part try to help each other out to try to live without being "pro-life". It's more of hoping and even doing things for each other and encouragement but without the judgement if that person makes the ultimate decision.

But that's hard for many to understand if they're living happy lives or are simply just wired differently.
 
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Vegrau

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Nov 27, 2018
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Personally I don't think anyone can fault the mother for feeling the way she does. It's difficult to say to whether a 25 year old battling severe depression was stuck in a temporary situation that might have gotten better with time. Do you expect parent's to young adults with mental health problems to go "Yay!" how amazing that there is community who helps young depressed people kill themselves?

No no no you completely missed the point. Every adult should have the right to kill themselves if they want to. It have nothing to do with what the god damn mother want. She's an 25 years old adult. Her life is her own. No one can decide that for her but her own actions. You talk as if she have no right to her own life and someone else should decide that for her. Because she is incapable of deciding it on her own??????????HmmmMmMMMMMmmmm.
 
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Shamana

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May 31, 2019
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No no no you completely missed the point. Every adult should have the right to kill themselves if they want to. It have nothing to do with what the god damn mother want. She's an 25 years old adult. Her life is her own. No one can decide that for her but her own actions. You talk as if she have no right to her own life and someone else should decide that for her. Because she is incapable of deciding it on her own??????????HmmmMmMMMMMmmmm.

An episode of major depression can be temporary illness. Also many people who attempt suicide end up regretting and are happy they survived. A lot of people have destructive behaviours and thoughts when they mentally ill and do things they later regret. I certainly have. On this forum is there no procedure or assement of people's illness. Any angsty teen can come on here and lie about there age and get the most convienient methods and support for suicide.

I support the choice of euthansia when people suffer from chronic somatic and mental illness, but not for people caught up in temporary adversity and not people who are simply bored with life.

and for people who have family's that actually cares about us, we should be mindfull of them as well. I would be devasted if I found my mother hanging from a rope tomorrow and I know my mother will be devasted if I end up killing myself.
 
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Vegrau

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An episode of major depression can be temporary illness. Also many people who attempt suicide end up regretting and are happy they survived. A lot of people have destructive behaviours and thoughts when they mentally ill and do things they later regret. I certainly have. On this forum is there no procedure or assement of people's illness. Any angsty teen can come on here and lie about there age and get the most convienient methods and support for suicide.

I support the choice of euthansia when people suffer from chronic somatic and mental illness, but not for people caught up in temporary adversity and not people who are simply bored with life.

and for people who have family's that actually cares about us, we should be mindfull of them as well. I would be devasted if I found my mother hanging from a rope tomorrow and I know my mother will be devasted if I end up killing myself.

Oh cut the crap. You cannot speak for her. You cannot make speculation on her behalf. You cannot decide for her whether her situation is temporary or not. Youre not her and you cannot say anything about it. Youre not even a part of her life. Really? Honestly? Seriously? She is not a minor. She's a 25 years old adult. She didn't lied about her age. Quit bringing up minor. It have nothing to do with this. She is not a minor. She's an adult that have all the right to her own life. She did what she wanted and thats that. She want to die and she died. I respect her choice.

Theyre not my family I dont care what the god damn thing her mother his father or their families does or feel. They're adult ffs. Theyre not children. You dont need to babying them like theyre adults with diapers. They can decide it on their own. Its not my business telling them what to do.

Also you dont know what's her relationship with her family is like. You really dont have any right to speak anything about things you dont know. You know? Did you lived with her now? She have her reasons and I respect it. Try to respect an adult rights to choose okay?

Are you going to speculate about my life too now? Please dont I dont need it.
 
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An episode of major depression can be temporary illness. Also many people who attempt suicide end up regretting and are happy they survived. A lot of people have destructive behaviours and thoughts when they mentally ill and do things they later regret. I certainly have. On this forum is there no procedure or assement of people's illness. Any angsty teen can come on here and lie about there age and get the most convienient methods and support for suicide.

I support the choice of euthansia when people suffer from chronic somatic and mental illness, but not for people caught up in temporary adversity and not people who are simply bored with life.

and for people who have family's that actually cares about us, we should be mindfull of them as well. I would be devasted if I found my mother hanging from a rope tomorrow and I know my mother will be devasted if I end up killing myself.

Dear @Shamana,

All this becomes for me a little confused in my mind, but what I see is that you have pro-life about this specific situation, certainly, but it does not absolutely stick with a topic you wrote a few days before:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/method-bathtub-of-piranhas.19818/

What comes to mind is the inconsistency in your writing, beyond your empathy for this dramatic situation, in order to understand your reasoning, how can you move from a request for advice on a "Suicide by piranhas in a bathtub, to arguments that you hold today (?)

Are you a disguised pro-life troll (?)
 
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Shamana

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Dear @Shamana,

All this becomes for me a little confused in my mind, but what I see is that you have pro-life about this specific situation, certainly, but it does not absolutely stick with a topic you wrote a few days before:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/method-bathtub-of-piranhas.19818/

What comes to mind is the inconsistency in your writing, beyond your empathy for this dramatic situation, in order to understand your reasoning, how can you move from a request for advice on a "Suicide by piranhas in a bathtub, to arguments that you hold today (?)

Are you a disguised pro-life troll (?)

The piranha thread was a joke

Was does being pro-life mean on this forum? It seems to me that anyone who does not support suicide for adults in more or less any situation is some sadistic asshole who believes life has value.

Do I believe that adults should have a right to choose? Yes. Do I believe that they should be supported in their decision to kill themselves no matter what their reason is? No I don't.
 
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Tristevie

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Jul 2, 2019
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The piranha thread was a joke

Was does being pro-life mean on this forum? It seems to me that anyone who does not support suicide for adults in more or less any situation is some sadistic asshole who believes life has value.

Do I believe that adults should have a right to choose? Yes. Do I believe that they should be supported in their decision to kill themselves no matter what their reason is? No I don't.

@Shamana, forgive me for not having the same sense of humor as yours, on a subject as serious as suicide, it seems to me that there we are going beyond certain limits because I remind you for your information, that this site is frequented by people in physical / psychological suffering ...
I leave you the benefit of the doubt on your good intentions, reading your writing that you call joke ...

Cordialy Greg
 
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Joannf

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Oct 8, 2018
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Oh cut the crap. You cannot speak for her. You cannot make speculation on her behalf. You cannot decide for her whether her situation is temporary or not. Youre not her and you cannot say anything about it. Youre not even a part of her life. Really? Honestly? Seriously? She is not a minor. She's a 25 years old adult. She didn't lied about her age. Quit bringing up minor. It have nothing to do with this. She is not a minor. She's an adult that have all the right to her own life. She did what she wanted and thats that. She want to die and she died. I respect her choice.

Theyre not my family I dont care what the god damn thing her mother his father or their families does or feel. They're adult ffs. Theyre not children. You dont need to babying them like theyre adults with diapers. They can decide it on their own. Its not my business telling them what to do.

Also you dont know what's her relationship with her family is like. You really dont have any right to speak anything about things you dont know. You know? Did you lived with her now? She have her reasons and I respect it. Try to respect an adult rights to choose okay?

Are you going to speculate about my life too now? Please dont I dont need it.

I take it that you believe in Free Will.
Can you maybe explain the concept to me in a neurological or at least psychological context, if you find the time ?
 
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Shamana

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May 31, 2019
716
I take it that you believe in Free Will.
Can you maybe explain the concept to me in a neurological or at least psychological context, if you find the time ?

Are you asking me? Yes I believe we have free will in making choices with the cards we hold. If you believe we dont why so?
 
21Neberg

21Neberg

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Dec 17, 2018
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I can't imagine how that mother feels. I can however understand her point of view on this site; after all, had that girl not found this site, she may still have been alive.
I'm deleting this site from all my devices before my next attempt because I'd never want my family to find my account after I'm gone.
 
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Vegrau

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I take it that you believe in Free Will.
Can you maybe explain the concept to me in a neurological or at least psychological context, if you find the time ?

What gave you that idea? There's only causality.
 
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omoidarui

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Apr 30, 2019
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Kind of resembles a pointed finger : P

But she told us that was a factor in her decision to die. And I'm all for pointing fingers at the flawed politics of the world, just not so much at bereaved parents as if to suggest they are responsible for the death, as some have done!

or even anger towards the things that had brought her to that state, criticism of the mental health system, or anything else that might produce some sort of positive outcome

That I agree with, especially in regards to the third parties and the not-so-impartial journalists who should've seen it from that angle too.
 
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Shamana

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May 31, 2019
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@Shamana, forgive me for not having the same sense of humor as yours, on a subject as serious as suicide, it seems to me that there we are going beyond certain limits because I remind you for your information, that this site is frequented by people in physical / psychological suffering ...
I leave you the benefit of the doubt on your good intentions, reading your writing that you call joke ...

Cordialy Greg

I highly doubt that thread has contributted to anyones death
 
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inconsequential

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Jun 1, 2019
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I can't imagine how that mother feels. I can however understand her point of view on this site; after all, had that girl not found this site, she may still have been alive.
I'm deleting this site from all my devices before my next attempt because I'd never want my family to find my account after I'm gone.

Information about SN poisoning is available on many websites, including LAH, which links to this forum. If she didn't find the information here, she would've found it somewhere else.

I understand her mother being upset that her child is dead, but finger-pointing at people who weren't involved solves nothing. They said forum-users were supposed to call the police? As if we know where everyone lives, or even their countries.
 
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21Neberg

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Information about SN poisoning is available on many websites, including LAH, which links to this forum. If she didn't find the information here, she would've found it somewhere else.

I understand her mother being upset that her child is dead, but finger-pointing at people who weren't involved solves nothing. They said forum-users were supposed to call the police? As if we know where everyone lives, or even their countries.

I get what you're saying, but can you really blame the mother for her actions? She's lost her child and she's grieving.
 
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Alan James

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Apr 11, 2019
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Do I believe that adults should have a right to choose? Yes. Do I believe that they should be supported in their decision to kill themselves no matter what their reason is? No I don't.

The reason is a personal matter. Do realy need some reason?

Everyone has the right to do with his life and his body what he wants if this is not a direct danger to the life and health of others.
 
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inconsequential

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I get what you're saying, but can you really blame the mother for her actions? She's lost her child and she's grieving.

I think she's going a little overboard. Many of my friends have committed suicide, and I've lost family members to it. Not once did anyone feel the need to screech at the media for two months. They grieved. They tried to understand the reasons why. They accepted. They didn't point fingers at this person or that person.
 
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Are you asking me? Yes I believe we have free will in making choices with the cards we hold. If you believe we dont why so?

No - I was aiming to ask Vegrau ;)
Shamana... "Free Will" is a religious, not a scientific concept. Or a legal one if you will...
You have to either argue for it in religious terms, or like a lawyer. I don't have to disprove a concept for which no scientific evidence exists.
I'm surprised that you come to your conclusion when you assume that the girl in question had "free will."
I do understand the emotional side of this, but if you assume that people have free will, then you have to let them decide, obviously.
 
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Apr 7, 2019
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The reason is a personal matter. Do realy need some reason?

Everyone has the right to do with his life and his body what he wants if this is not a direct danger to the life and health of others.

But that also means emphasizing both the option to live or to die equally. I am grateful for this forum, but whether you want it or not, it can have tendencies of leaning to a pro-suicide way of thinking, even if it's not the purpose or intention.
 
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Shamana

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The reason is a personal matter. Do realy need some reason?

Everyone has the right to do with his life and his body what he wants if this is not a direct danger to the life and health of others.

Like i said people should have the choice, but i dont believe they should be supported in their decision unless they have good reasons to end their life. I am not a nihilist maybe you are.
 
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Joannf

Coração Vagabundo
Oct 8, 2018
390
What gave you that idea? There's only causality.

I agree. But you are the one who argues that a human being can basically make objective decisions.
Or was your argument that we have to accept the legal side of this, which clearly states that an adult human's decisions, or call them whims, must be accepted.
I have no problem with that. I just find that we might as well declare all humans doli incapax until proven otherwise ;)
 
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Marianne

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I get what you're saying, but can you really blame the mother for her actions? She's lost her child and she's grieving.
This. I don't blame the mother at all for lashing out. She's hurting from the loss of her child. Do I believe that Shawna had every right to make her own choice? Of course I do, or I wouldn't be here. But I think everyone's being a bit harsh on her mother. Every single human being has emotionally acted irrationally at one point or another.
 
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Alan James

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But that also means emphasizing both the option to live or to die equally. I am grateful for this forum, but whether you want it or not, it can have tendencies of leaning to a pro-suicide way of thinking, even if it's not the purpose or intention.

If a person wants to live - he should be provided with pro-life help and support, if this person wants to die (for any reason) - then the pro-suicide, pro-death.
 
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