A list of warnings

[gingerplum]

I wish I knew enough about drugs and drug interactions to make suggestions, but I don't have any intelligent requests. I displayed the entirety of my knowledge with my "stay clear of paracetamol" warnings. Maybe you have seen people expressing Bad Ideas about benzo OD? Or maybe benzos + ____?

Gotcha. Will add when I can pull myself together.

 

[gingerplum]

I do have a question. Is morphine OD an effective CTB?

Oh yeah. Think of morphine as heroin's legally prescribed twin. I understand that 200 mg would be more than enough in most cases, with some variation for body size and tolerance.

Obviously you'd want immediate release, not sustained release pills.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Oh yeah. Think of morphine as heroin's legally prescribed twin. I understand that 200 mg would be more than enough in most cases, with some variation for body size and tolerance.

Obviously you'd want immediate release, not sustained release pills.

Sounds good. I can easily get morphine. Thanks for info.

 

[gingerplum]

Sounds good. I can easily get morphine.

Seriously? Dark web?

 

[Johnnythefox]

Yep. That's old school. They don't do that anymore; the rationale is, 1) your tongue is not going to occlude your airway, and 2) you don't want to cause chipped teeth.

They still use phenobarbital, tho.

Apparently they would hang me upside down also, I have vague memories of this.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

Seriously? Dark web?

As a cancer patient they hand it to me like candy. Have been on Oxy for a year but can ask for morphine instead.

 

[gingerplum]

As a cancer patient they hand it to me like candy. Have been on Oxy for a year but can ask for morphine instead.

You're hoarding it. Brilliant. Oxycontin will work too, if you can crush it. (I think we talked about this the other day).

You'll want to complain of worsening pain, unrelieved by your current meds. Tell them it takes a long time to get minimal relief, and ask if you can try immediate release.

 

[MsM3talGamer]

You're hoarding it. Brilliant. Oxycontin will work too, if you can crush it. (I think we talked about this the other day).

You'll want to complain of worsening pain, unrelieved by your current meds. Tell them it takes a long time to get minimal relief, and ask if you can try immediate release.

Okay! I think I prefer Morphine to crushed Oxy. I'll remember to ask for immediate release. Thanks a lot! I feel more hopeful now because SN scares me.

 

[TiredHorse]

You're hoarding it. Brilliant. Oxycontin will work too, if you can crush it. (I think we talked about this the other day).

You'll want to complain of worsening pain, unrelieved by your current meds. Tell them it takes a long time to get minimal relief, and ask if you can try immediate release.

Any "Do Not" warnings for Oxycontin or Morphine?"

 

[gingerplum]

• Any "Do Not" warnings for Oxycontin or Morphine?"

• Do you have a tolerance? If you use opiates, either via prescription or recreationally, your tolerance will be higher and this should be considered.
• Meds must be immediate release, or crushable if they're not.
• Oxycontin is time-released, and some pills are now tamper-proof, or tamper resistant. These aren't suitable unless they can be crushed.
• Alcohol and opiates will potentiate the effects of each other, making each of them more potent.
• Sedating antiemetics, like promethazine and compazine, will also potentiate the effects of opiates.
• Stomach acid reducers and anti-emetic (metoclopramide) are recommended.
• Many recreational IV drug users routinely crush and inject pills; this method would cause immediate loss of consciousness and there'd be no risk of losing meds to vomiting.

I can't think of any real "don'ts". If anyone needs more specifics or has questions, let me know.

 

[TAW122]

This thread should be stickied imho, lots of good information. Also, for the title maybe changing it from "A list of warnings" to "Do's and Dont's for Methods" would probably be more accurate. I think we have a great thread going here btw.

 

[Letmego. Please]

All i can say for morphine is from experience as a depressed pain punter.
From my cock ups i have learned.
1. If you already take doses over the 200mg a day or equivalent (i can find a link to chart if that will help) Then you will need a dose above 2grms unless you are frail or elderly
2. If you already take anything like the above daily dose you WILL need to lower your tolerance by reducing said dose beforehand
3. Make sure you mix in a nice combo of the 'fatal few things you should never mix oppies with' i.e alcohol and benzos.

Cheers

 

[MaryKay]

Link: Basically shot her face off; did not die from blood loss. I know this isn't the trajectory you were referring to, I just want to emphasize Tired Horse's point that the brain stem is no fail, and gun shot wounds to the head aren't something you want to fuck up. I saw a guy in a neuro ICU once who shot thru his optic nerve and survived, completely and permanently blind.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ant-suicide-attempt-natgeo-profile/index.html

I've been thinking about putting the gun in my mouth and angling it upward. How do you think that would work? I don't want to make a mistake.

 

[gingerplum]

All i can say for morphine is from experience as a depressed pain punter.
From my cock ups i have learned.
1. If you already take doses over the 200mg a day or equivalent (i can find a link to chart if that will help) Then you will need a dose above 2grms unless you are frail or elderly
2. If you already take anything like the above daily dose you WILL need to lower your tolerance by reducing said dose beforehand
3. Make sure you mix in a nice combo of the 'fatal few things you should never mix oppies with' i.e alcohol and benzos.

Cheers

Yes. Keeping in mind that 200 mg a day is

I've been thinking about putting the gun in my mouth and angling it upward. How do you think that would work? I don't want to make a mistake.

It's the opposite.

"Stone mentions that a bullet that that damages the spinal column where it meets the base of the skull (base of the head at the back) tends to be quickly fatal, and this is most likely achieved by aiming slightly down through the mouth, or else simply pointing the gun at the rear base of the head."

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms

 

[TAW122]

I've been thinking about putting the gun in my mouth and angling it upward. How do you think that would work? I don't want to make a mistake.

You want the gun to be directly aimed at the brainstem so I would say that the gun would have to be far enough back to make sure you don't blow off the frontal lobe and angled at around 15-30 degrees upwards. I'll let @TiredHorse give more specifics since he knows more about the angle when not using a shotgun.

 

[TiredHorse]

I've been thinking about putting the gun in my mouth and angling it upward. How do you think that would work? I don't want to make a mistake.

I saw you read the thread on Guns, and I've replied to you a bit there.

GingerPlum is right in that if you err, you want to err on the side of aiming low.

• If you aim too high and miss the brainstem, you'll hit non-life-critical brain matter and turn into a vegetable.
• If you aim too low and miss the brainstem, you've at least got a chance of destroying the spinal cord directly beneath the brainstem, which is also effective.

In an ideal world, however, TAW122 is correct in that a slight upward angle is how you want to aim to hit the brainstem. That said, it can be very difficult to judge a 10-15° up angle when you're looking at the gun end-on, rather than from the side. You definitely want to spend some time first with the brainstem diagram in that other thread, and then in front of a mirror practicing, to make sure you're comfortable with your aim point.

I'm going to turn this digression into another warning:


DO NOT attempt to ctb with a gun without spending time practicing your aim point: aiming a gun is not intuitive without considerable practice, and aiming in the wrong place can easily result in a non-fatal failure to hit the brainstem.

 

[TAW122]

I shall add yet another DON'T when it comes to guns.

DO NOT attempt to ctb via gun while being heavily under the influence of drugs and alcohol, because this would affect your aim and motor function which is necessary to get the right spot/angle.

This isn't to say that a little bit of alcohol is always bad. Just enough to calm nerves and build enough courage to overcome the survival instinct, however, I would generally recommend staying away from drugs or alcohol if possible. Everyone builds courage differently so do take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I wouldn't recommend any of the methods on this list, all seem quite gruesome.

http://digg.com/2014/ingestion-infographic

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

do not slit your wrists unless you want attention/cry for help (there are other and better methods for this though)

also what i sometimes read here that people try to kill themselfs at places where they can really be easy found, eg people who still live with their parents and then try to ctb when their mother is doing the grocieries and stuff...way to risky

 

[CentreMid]

This is very useful!! Thank you very much for posting

 

[Stillnotsure]

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I have a question about shooting through the temple. If the bullet goes horizontally through the temple, how would it destroy the frontal lobe? Wouldn't the bullet need to travel towards the front on the brain? Also, even with a temple shot, wouldn't blood loss be a thing too? I have ensured that no one would be able to get to me for about 10 minutes after they heard the shot. Wouldn't I bleed out before they got to me? Also, if I were to place my gun (Smith and Wesson M&P shield 1st gen 9mm with jhp) right above my ear, would that be better? I know I'm trying to aim for the brain stem, but I feel more comfortable aiming somewhere else. It feels more natural to me.

To expand on what others have said;

There are three different lobes of the brain you could potentially hit with a temple shot, the frontal, parietal, and temporal lobes. Each lobe houses different body functions, the best bet for successfully dying quickly is aiming for a different section of the brain called the brain stem because it controls breathing and heart rate. You can die by temporal shots but it happens in a different way. The shot damages tissue and blood vessels in the brain causing swelling. As the brain swells it has nowhere to go. The only hole the brain can go through is in the bottom of the skull where it attaches to the spinal cord. This squishes the brain stem until it can't send the signal to breathe and beat your heart. While it is possible to bleed out from a gunshot to the head it is extremely unlikely, for the same reason I described above, there is limited space in the skull so the bleeding stops as the brain tissue swells. @TiredHorse what do you think about sharing my post here on your megathread. Seems like people ask this question a lot. Maybe this will help.

 

[Stillnotsure]

Might I add,
Do not commit any act that will involve the participation of an innocent person.

Do not commit suicide by cop. ( cops are people too. They have to live the rest of their life with you on their shoulder weighing them down)

Do not jump into traffic. (You are transferring the exact pain you feel onto a stranger who didn't have a choice to help you die).

Do not text your friends goodbye. (You May as well call the police on yourself or just check yourself into a hospital) ( If by some small chance you die before help arrives that friend will always blame themselves for being too late)

Do not attempt to OD on any prescription drugs. Most are extremely hard to OD on, cause nausea and vomiting, and in general lead to illness and a demeaning hospital stay. You cannot OD on Ibuprofen or antidepressants. Don't even try.

Do not commit homicide or murder before you kill yourself. ( You have no right to choose death for someone else).

If you are a regular user of narcotics, pain medications, or street drugs, do not try to overdose on them. You'd be surprised how much it'll take. Most people die from overdoses because it's laced with fentanyl or another stronger drug or they were clean for awhile and decided to binge on the same dose they used to take.

 

[TiredHorse]

@TiredHorse what do you think about sharing my post here on your megathread. Seems like people ask this question a lot. Maybe this will help.

Technically the firearms thread is TAW122's but I've taken the liberty to cut-and-paste this info into it. It's an excellent piece of very clear explanation.

Might I add,

Again, yes, these are excellent additions to this thread. (I don't think it has yet been changed to a megathread.)

 

[wxtyubidi7y]

Might I add,
Do not commit any act that will involve the participation of an innocent person.

Do not commit suicide by cop. ( cops are people too. They have to live the rest of their life with you on their shoulder weighing them down)

Do not jump into traffic. (You are transferring the exact pain you feel onto a stranger who didn't have a choice to help you die).

Do not text your friends goodbye. (You May as well call the police on yourself or just check yourself into a hospital) ( If by some small chance you die before help arrives that friend will always blame themselves for being too late)

Do not attempt to OD on any prescription drugs. Most are extremely hard to OD on, cause nausea and vomiting, and in general lead to illness and a demeaning hospital stay. You cannot OD on Ibuprofen or antidepressants. Don't even try.

Do not commit homicide or murder before you kill yourself. ( You have no right to choose death for someone else).

If you are a regular user of narcotics, pain medications, or street drugs, do not try to overdose on them. You'd be surprised how much it'll take. Most people die from overdoses because it's laced with fentanyl or another stronger drug or they were clean for awhile and decided to binge on the same dose they used to take.

Hello thank you for the good posts. I agree with everything except I think the paragraph about prescription medicines could use some clarification - I would say that the take-home message should be never to attempt an OD impulsively or without *very* extensive research and planning. A well-thought-out overdose, generally involving antiemetics, can be a very reliable method, even with certain antidepressants (tricyclics).

 

[Stillnotsure]

Hello thank you for the good posts. I agree with everything except I think the paragraph about prescription medicines could use some clarification - I would say that the take-home message should be never to attempt an OD impulsively or without *very* extensive research and planning. A well-thought-out overdose, generally involving antiemetics, can be a very reliable method, even with certain antidepressants (tricyclics).

I agree. Do your research first.

 

[Simba]

Thankyou for this thread... I know now that my OD on paracetamol was useless even tho i got the info from the suicide faq

 

[TiredHorse]

This is just a bump, since it seems pertient to many of the questions I have read recently.

 

[lost_soul83]

I have a question about shooting through the temple. If the bullet goes horizontally through the temple, how would it destroy the frontal lobe? Wouldn't the bullet need to travel towards the front on the brain? Also, even with a temple shot, wouldn't blood loss be a thing too? I have ensured that no one would be able to get to me for about 10 minutes after they heard the shot. Wouldn't I bleed out before they got to me? Also, if I were to place my gun (Smith and Wesson M&P shield 1st gen 9mm with jhp) right above my ear, would that be better? I know I'm trying to aim for the brain stem, but I feel more comfortable aiming somewhere else. It feels more natural to me.

The goal here is to aim for the base of your skull, taking out your brain stem, thus your regulatory systems for breathing and heart rate, killing you instantly. I would imagine the best way to do this is to stick the gun in your mouth, aiming for the base of the skull. Blood loss won't be a factor because you'll be dead before you hit the floor.

 

[C2theN]

In addition to paracetamol (acetaminophen/Tylenol in the US): DO NOT attempt to ctb with any OTC medications. Non-scheduled drugs are specifically designed not to kill you. Some can cause fatal ODs, but those deaths are almost always unintentional and result from long-term overuse. There is no pleasant or peaceful way to ctb with OTC drugs.

One more that should be obvious but apparently isn't: DO NOT shoot yourself through the eye. I recently heard a story about a woman who did this and claimed it was a gun-cleaning accident. The doctors didn't believe her but didn't have enough evidence to put her in the psych ward. Either way, she came out of it with a deformed face, a missing eye, and no other damage.

 

[SiArc]

I know there can be more added for alcohol but:

Do not go willy nilly with alcohol ingestion when you CTB with meds or SN/SA/1,4 B. Treat it like any other drug or amplifier. If you do drink wait until after you take your med/poison. (alternatives are things like grapefruit juice)

Some people may try to have a last meal right before using meds/posions.
Time your last meal, last snack. Do not eat within 4-12 hours (depending on what you are using, how much you eat) before CTB attempt.
IE: you should not eat 2 hours before or 4 hours after taking meto or Zofran)