10 People Who Survived Suicide Attempts By Gunshot To The Head

[gingerplum]

You could just do absolutely nothing, and allow nature to take its course. You probably couldn't get criminally prosecuted for that, although you might lose your medical license. Plus it takes away the guilt you might feel from directly killing the person.

That's really "playing God" less than saving the person. I mean, in the state of nature, there are weapons, and there are no medical procedures to save a person who's hit by a weapon.

Believe me, I've done it before.

 

[Jessica5]

yeah @gingerplum, fully agreed.

You should watch this youtube video of that girl. It actually quite touching.
btw, what your prefer ctb method?

oh, and I don't know about that beautiful girl where she said she thinks life is beautiful now and she wants to become a counselor where she talks to people who want to suicide. TBH, if I was her, I rather die. I sure don't want to live like that, no way on Earth I think life is still beautiful after what happen to my face and my speech.

Seriously?

I can at least see why Robert Hines is happy to be alive, since he didn't end up paralyzed and it's a little questionable if he really wanted to die in the first place. (At least if you believe his tale about the voices in his head telling him to jump and ultimately jumping because nobody on the bridge said something nice to him.)

But that girl wanting to be alive? WTF?

 

[toomuchgrief]

It call
Kel-Tec KSG Bullpup Pump-Action 12 Gauge Shotgun

Here the wiki page

Kel-Tec KSG - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know if it able to get the job done like a regular shotgun, it cost $1,000 to get a new one. I like it due to it shorter length, so it easier to aim at the head/temple. I saw Youtuve videos on it, seem like it gives out decent shots.

Winchester traditional shotgun length of 40 inches long. As to this Kel Tech shotgun, it only 26 inches long. So yeah, it easier to blow the head out. Just hope it works.

So you recommended 00 buckshots and pump action right? Instead of semi-auto?

What ammo is this KelTec at 0:37 (the one at 37 seconds time) Youtube video? slug?

 

[LastFlowers]

I'm one of the people who want to chose the gun (shotgun) route to CTB. But after reading this, it leave me a worry due to I sure don't want to end up like them.

10 People Who Survived Suicide Attempts By Gunshot To The Head - Listverse

Suicide is an epidemic that we tend to think of as a modern thing. While suicide rates have gotten worse in the US and are projected to get worse in

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Just want to share and to those who chose the gun route.

any takers after reading the links? Perhaps I should take a shotgun class first so I can aim correctly to make sure I will be dead, I sure don't want to live like those 10 people for the rest of my life.

eta: and this is the beautiful 18 year olds girl who use a hunting rifle, she didn't die, but sure lost her whole face.

US woman who shot herself with hunting rifle is youngest person to get face transplant

Ms Katie Stubblefield was just 18 when she attempted suicide by putting a hunting rifle below her chin and shooting herself. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

worth a read.

Yea, I've seen some of these.
Nightmare fuel.
Which basically every method has to some degree.
I wish it was easier to get a hold of a method that had a 100% guarantee and zero suffering along with it.
Gun shots are hoped to be quick and close to instantaneous. So when you see them end up like this, it is very disheartening.

And as someone who hates their own face and is incredibly uncomfortable in their own skin, I would still never want to live life as the recipient of a face transplant. I've seen the results, even the ones many consider an incredible "success."
No fucking thank you, just let me die.

When someone seems to be grateful for such a procedure saving their life, it just makes me think it's the inevitable brain damage that is talking (another thing I am intensely concerned about happening to me). Either that or wishful thinking and trying to seem positive to the public eye.

I'm sorry to say that I'm waaaay too vain and superficial to live like that. Seriously, the quality of my life is so marginal right now that a bad haircut could put me over the edge. Skin care and anti-aging protocols are somewhere between hobby and obsession for me.

I can't imagine that she's not on a slew of psychotropic meds, and/or sustained some frontal lobe damage. I mean, she's suicidal over a failed high school romance, but she's a-ok with being blind and severely deformed? It just doesn't jibe for me; that's a 180° personality change. But again, she seems genuinely happy, so I'm glad she feels her life has value.

My first choice method would be a heroin and/or fentanyl overdose; there's nothing more peaceful, except maybe N, and right now N seems way, way to dicey to order. Second choice-- and I still waiver on this-- is short drop hanging. Once you get the hang of it, it's almost frighteningly pleasant... now I get how kids have died playing the "choking game."

Having my appearance look like absolute shit (which includes premature aging) is pretty much the whole reason I am ending my life. So I don't blame you for being obsessive. Of course it is not all there is to life, but It affects every single facet of someone's existence. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
When it comes to our own faces and bodies, I don't see it as vanity or being superficial. Just look at the world we live in!!
As long as we aren't going around and being cruel toward others for their looks and other things out of their control, I don't see why it's bad to want to feel the utmost comfort in our own faces and bodies. No one else has to live with them but us. It is not a part of life that anyone can escape. It's our flesh and bones.

If I am inwardly vain and superficial towards my own image, so be it.
So long as I don't direct that towards another person, or make anyone feel less than.
Even though I will never manage to get past looks in myself, I make it a point to remove them from the equation when it comes to anyone else. Unless they bring them to the table and want to have an honest discussion about them, I am going to focus on the character of the person.

I saw your post after writing out my own suspicions of brain damage, so needlesss to say, I agree..there is something else at play here.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Exactly. Either God doesn't care to intervene, he doesn't have the power to intervene, or he doesn't exist. I'm going with the latter.

It's incredible how people will praise God when someone narrowly escapes a horrific death yet they forget the others who are not escaping horrific deaths.

 

[Trainwreck]

It's incredible how people will praise God when someone narrowly escapes a horrific death yet they forget the others who are not escaping horrific deaths.

I know, I always laugh when someone says God saved them from something like a fiery train crash. Umm what about all the people who burned to a crisp?

 

[LastFlowers]

It's incredible how people will praise God when someone narrowly escapes a horrific death yet they forget the others who are not escaping horrific deaths.

I just hope someone doesn't "send their prayers" after I'm gone.
The irony of that statement alone, as well as the integrated assumption that everyone believes in God as they do, even when giving condolences toward a crisis that is not their own..is infuriating. It is not as harmless and benign as some would like to believe.

The worst part is most of my family is religious. I can already see it...
"She's with God now"..and no one will tell whoever says that otherwise!!
I won't even have my beliefs respected when I'm dead.

I know, I always laugh when someone says God saved them from something like a fiery train crash. Umm what about all the people who burned to a crisp?

It just shows how self absorbed they are. They don't see past their own fortune. And they may even blame the misfortune of others on their lack of faith.

 

[woxihuanni]

You might be interested in this article as well. It's quite surprising that the doctor went against the daughter's wishes and allowed the man to die. It's even more surprising the psychiatrist agreed that the man was of sound mind and that it was his choice to die: https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/what-emergency-ethics-consultation/2016-05

Sometimes I have such unbelieving fury and contempt for somebody's sense of entitlement and total lack of respect for somebody else. And rarely, there is the satisfaction that they don't get their way. It is one of those rare cases. Kudos to the doctor. Sorry Karen, the manager cannot see you this time. <3

 

[toomuchgrief]

@After The End Thank you Sir.
What do "poor quality control" means? So it means I won't die if I shot myself in the temple with that KelTec shotgun? Sorry, English is my third language.

Can you give a specific model of a shotgun that you think it reliable and affordable? It just traditional shotgun it too long, I can't aim at my head/temple, with those shotgun I have to aim at my mouth.

 

[gingerplum]

I know, I always laugh when someone says God saved them from something like a fiery train crash. Umm what about all the people who burned to a crisp?

This is the absolute worst; it's tantamount to saying, "God chose ME over those other people." The entitlement... the arrogance!

I honestly think it's like a subset of grandiosity (in psychiatry); a sort of lesser level of thinking that you're Joan of Arc or Napoleon Bonaparte. To believe that the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the universe has a vested interest in you and your well-being-- especially over that of others-- should be listed in the DSM alongside the other delusions.

 

[After The End]

What do "poor quality control" means?

It means their quality is not uniform. Some work well but others are unreliable.

Can you give a specific model of a shotgun that you think it reliable and affordable? It just traditional shotgun it too long, I can't aim at my head/temple, with those shotgun I have to aim at my mouth.

The prices and availability of all but the most ubiquitous firearms tend to vary a lot depending on your locality. My advice would be to look around at what's available within a given budget. If you need it to be shorter you can always cut the barrel down.

 

[toomuchgrief]

@gingerplum @siray

Take a look at this video sis gingerplum and Sir siray

this man came out disfigured and blind. I should really do research with this gun method, as in, I at least need to take a shooting class first. No way if I never held a gun in my life before I can actually aim correctly to CTB, for sure I probably turn out disfigured like them. If I chose the gun route, I need to take basic shotgun class and shooting class. These survivors stories scare me.

 

[gingerplum]

@gingerplum @siray

Take a look at this video sis gingerplum and Sir siray

this man came out disfigured and blind. I should really do research with this gun method, as in, I at least need to take a shooting class first. No way if I never held a gun in my life before I can actually aim correctly to CTB, for sure I probably turn out disfigured like them. If I chose the gun route, I need to take basic shotgun class and shooting class. These survivors stories scare me.

Wow. Just wow. I'm so amazed at these people who seem perfectly content to be blind and horrifically deformed.

 

[alexithymia]

Wow. Just wow. I'm so amazed at these people who seem perfectly content to be blind and horrifically deformed.

This is something that's always fascinated me as well. I feel like a lot of the people who've had a complete turnaround in their attitude towards life post-attempt are religious. A theme I've seen is survivors talking about how they failed due to God's will—that they were meant to fail so they could stay on Earth. I can't imagine how brutal it would be to live through an attempt and be destroyed physically. It's terrifying to me.

 

[Jessica5]

@gingerplum @siray

Take a look at this video sis gingerplum and Sir siray

this man came out disfigured and blind. I should really do research with this gun method, as in, I at least need to take a shooting class first. No way if I never held a gun in my life before I can actually aim correctly to CTB, for sure I probably turn out disfigured like them. If I chose the gun route, I need to take basic shotgun class and shooting class. These survivors stories scare me.

I honestly think that the medics who "save" guys like this are secretly hoping that they fail and the guy dies.

 

[gingerplum]

This is something that's always fascinated me as well. I feel like a lot of the people who've had a complete turnaround in their attitude towards life post-attempt are religious. A theme I've seen is survivors talking about how they failed due to God's will—that they were meant to fail so they could stay on Earth. I can't imagine how brutal it would be to live through an attempt and be destroyed physically. It's terrifying to me.

Honestly I wonder if they damaged their frontal cortex and it changed their personality. I mean, that's essentially what a lobotomy is, and those are specifically to change one's temperament.

 

[LastFlowers]

Honestly I wonder if they damaged their frontal cortex and it changed their personality. I mean, that's essentially what a lobotomy is, and those are specifically to change one's temperament.

My first thought is it's got to be that.
If medications can alter our mental processes then surely a physical blow to the cerebral front lines would be devastating.
But then again, people have their faces burned off with acid and in that case, there is no direct brain damage. Yet we see them spread the same positive sentiments.

I think the mind has powerful ways of protecting itself from reality.
This site is filled with people who have had their eyes forced open by pain and suffering.
Perhaps, in others, the terrors of the world and even of themselves, cause them to do the opposite. Forces their eyes closed.
They live life blindly, as the only way to survive.
We may be unable to conceive this, as we no longer have the ability to shut our eyes to what is real. The only way for us to do that now, is to end sight altogether, along with breath and life itself.

I honestly think that the medics who "save" guys like this are secretly hoping that they fail and the guy dies.

I spoke to an EMT once who said even when they know someone is a goner, they often go through the motions as to appease the family. To say they tried. Unfortunately sometimes when they try, they succeed. And it's not always for the best.

 

[After The End]

Wow. Just wow. I'm so amazed at these people who seem perfectly content to be blind and horrifically deformed.

In my experience one of the biggest causes of suicide is cultural alienation, social isolation and general feelings of personal insignificance. In a twisted sort of way I can see how surviving a horrific accident like this, the sort that results in the person gaining a measure of notoriety and attention might very well alleviate those feelings to some extent. Someone who has survived being shot in the head is medically and socially significant, even remarkable, in a way that someone who wants to blow their brains out just isn't. We live in a messed up world where afflictions that are not empirically obvious in the most superficial context are often overlooked and marginalised, while people with visibly obvious afflictions and disadvantages are often treated with more humanity and generosity. Someone who has destroyed their face in a suicide attempt has essentially externalised their affliction in an empirically obvious, and extremely dramatic fashion; not only are they likely to be treated with more sensitivity and generosity than they're used to as a result, but their survival, in and of itself, brings a measure of notoriety and significance. They become special in a social context. Probably in a way they have never experienced before.

Even controlling for individuals whose suicide attempts might not have been undertaken in a rational state that some hitherto suicidal people might choose to go on living under these circumstances does not surprise me in the least.

 

[LastFlowers]

In my experience one of the biggest causes of suicide is alienation and isolation. General feelings of insignificance. In a twisted sort of way I can see how surviving a horrific accident like this, the sort that results in the person gaining a measure of notoriety and attention might very well alleviate those feelings to some extent. Someone who has survived being shot in the head is medically and socially significant, even remarkable, in a way that someone who wants to blow their brains out is almost certainly not. Bear in mind as well that we live in a messed up world where afflictions that are not empirically obvious in the most superficial context are often overlooked and marginalised, while people with visibly obvious afflictions and disadvantages are often treated with more humanity and generosity.

Someone who has destroyed their face in a suicide attempt has essentially externalised their affliction in an empirically obvious, and extremely dramatic fashion. Not only are they likely to be treated with more sensitivity and generosity than they're used to, their survival, in and of itself, brings a measure of notoriety and significance. They become special in a social context. Probably in a way they have never experienced before.

Even controlling for individuals whose suicide attempts might not have been undertaken in a rational state that some hitherto suicidal people might choose to go on living under these circumstances does not surprise me in the least.

^This is a well-thought out take on the situation. It may very well be a factor in what we are seeing, at least with some of these individuals.

Although.. my main issue is pretty superficially obvious, and I still do not receive sympathy or any special attention. If anything I am either actively insulted or turned a blind eye to. (Perhaps it is in due part to the desensitization and morbidly high bar set, even for outwardly visible atrocities and misfortunes).
There are other things that are not obvious to the eyes or ears unless someone blurts it out, which garner far more empathy and attention, likely enough to make the person feel that their misfortune is worth something.
Our society is a strange bird as some of the reactions for one thing are overtly steeped in hypocrisy when compared to the reactions to another thing.

Something else to note is, that if you actually look at some of the comments on some of these articles, most people tend to blame the person who attempted suicide. That they did this to themselves so they deserve the outcome. I don't know why anyone would want that negative notoriety or metaphorical eye-roll/headshake/finger wagging. Nevermind thrive off of it.

The medical worthiness, as you outlined, however, is pretty much indisputable. As things like face transplants are at the height of surgical significance and intrigue.
(No matter how off-putting they are to me)

 

[After The End]

Although.. my main issue is pretty superficially obvious, and I still do not receive sympathy or any special attention. If anything I am either actively insulted or turned a blind eye to. (Perhaps it is in due part to the desensitization and morbidly high bar set, even for outwardly visible atrocities and misfortunes).

Do you mind if I ask what that issue is?

Another thing is, that if you actually look at some of the comments on some of these articles, most people tend to blame the person who attempted suicide. That they did this to themselves so they deserve the outcome. I don't know why anyone would want that negative notoriety or metaphorical eye-roll/headshake/finger wagging. Nevermind thrive off of it.

Sadly reactions like this can and do occur following almost any form of tragedy. In fact if there is any conceivable way of blaming the victim some people will do so - thank the Just World Hypothesis - but such open nastiness isn't the norm, especially offline. Also how we present ourselves to others is generally discretionary. Someone who has had a face transplant as the result of a botched suicide attempt is not under any obligation to be explicit about such details in a day-to-day context, and I can't imagine most people prying over much, 'I had a terrible accident,' would, I imagine, be enough. That said I think there is also frequently a kind of 'repentant sinner,' dynamic at work in some of these situations. Where the person very openly and actively repudiates their formerly self-destructive mindset and validates the popular beliefs; life is a precious gift, you have the sole power to determine it's quality, etc. I mean many of these people go on to essentially become mouth-pieces for the most empty pro-life platitudes.

People love to have their values validated like this especially when the person validating them is highly sympathetic, more or less immune to criticism, and would 'intuitively,' be expected to espouse the opposite opinion. You see this phenomena all the time when it comes to social and political issues.

 

[I’vehadenough]

eta: and this is the beautiful 18 year olds girl who use a hunting rifle shot at her chin, she didn't die, but sure lost her whole face.

US woman who shot herself with hunting rifle is youngest person to get face transplant

Ms Katie Stubblefield was just 18 when she attempted suicide by putting a hunting rifle below her chin and shooting herself. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

worth a read.

Now I'm iffy about use a gun, perhaps I should stick with my original plan, jump off a 1,000 feet (300 meters) tourist bridge. Yeah, let hope no tourist see me and pull me back. That my main worry about ctb jumping.

I know the whole point is about mouth and brain stem, but with someone who never use a gun before, it going to be hard to aim at the correct spot (brain stem).



and shoot at the mouth doesn't guarantee neither, as I found this in Quora:

quote: [[
Healthcare at New York (2011-present)

WARNING GRAPHIC: There was a man in an area I used to work as an EMT, years ago, who shot himself with a shotgun, barrel into his mouth at an angle that SHOULD HAVE blown his entire head off…. Somehow it didn't really touch the brain. Everything from his forehead down to his lower jaw were missing, except for part of his tongue. He was breathing, tongue moving around violently, and I bet if he had a mouth that could help form human sounds for him, he would have been screaming in pain. If I remember correctly, he did somehow still have one eye left. He got sedated and intubated, transported to a trauma center, and survived. He needed complete facial reconstruction and years of surgery. I believe he ultimately succeeded in committing suicide several years later. He was very much aware of what happened following pulling that trigger. ]] end quote

Yeah, if your face gets disfigured after a suicide attempt, you'll definitely have to kill yourself bc your life is over...unless you like Netflix 24/7

 

[LastFlowers]

Do you mind if I ask what that issue is?



Sadly reactions like this can and do occur following almost any form of tragedy. In fact if there is any conceivable way of blaming the victim some people will do so - thank the Just World Hypothesis - but such open nastiness isn't the norm, especially offline. Also how we present ourselves to others is generally discretionary. Someone who has had a face transplant as the result of a botched suicide attempt is not under any obligation to be explicit about such details in a day-to-day context, and I can't imagine most people prying over much, 'I had a terrible accident,' would, I imagine, be enough. That said I think there is also frequently a kind of 'repentant sinner,' dynamic at work in some of these situations. Where the person very openly and actively repudiates their formerly self-destructive mindset and validates the popular beliefs; life is a precious gift, you have the sole power to determine it's quality, etc. I mean many of these people go on to essentially become mouth-pieces for the most empty pro-life platitudes.

People love to have their values validated like this especially when the person validating them is highly sympathetic, more or less immune to criticism, and would 'intuitively,' be expected to espouse the opposite opinion. You see this phenomena all the time when it comes to social and political issues.

Sure, I'll pm you when I get a chance, although I'm pretty positive I already gave it away, generally, in previous comments. It's not exactly idiosyncratic or of grand interest.


Yes, I am familiar with the faulty thought processes that lead to a belief in things like "cosmic justice" and I am aware they occur for almost anything. But people seem to be more sure and righted in the stance of cruelty, the more directly responsible the individual is for their circumstances.

Personally, it would not just be the open nastiness that I'd like to avoid, but the staunchly-and publicly-covert as well as the mindfully hidden retorts behind closed doors. No one can avoid such responses entirely in their lives, but in respect to things no longer in someone's control, it would be preferable to minimize them.
This is a matter of self-admitted opinion (and limited perspective). Which just outlines the whole conversation in this thread. The difference between the subjects of the articles who SEEM to be profiting or peace-making post trauma and those who who are still actively seeking out a successful method to end their lives.
..Then there's the even more quieted group of those who botched an attempt but have not changed their stance or directive in the slightest, and the only regret they end up having is that their attempt was a failure.
I guess we never see articles about those people because they are in direct opposition to the majority and their tactical use of the suicidally reformed.

Sorry I don't quite understand where you said the person with the face transplant would have no obligation to give details..
Isn't that self explanatory as face transplants are rather obvious and the word of "why" (& how) would have likely already gotten around to anyone in arm's reach? Anyone close enough to speak to the afflicted in anything more than small talk.
(And yes, Ofcourse most people want to save face and will not be openly rude even at the expense of honesty).
I wasn't sure if that was in response to something I mentioned or just something else you were adding to conversation. As I don't even disagree with you in view of the bigger picture. Good discussion to be had here.

Hmm, the "repentant sinner" notion is interesting, isn't it? There's some other threads here about that, I'm sure you've seen them. Worded differently but basically the same topic.
Rather fucked up, if you ask me.
That these poor individuals end up being used by the "other side."
Even more disturbing if they are indeed, afflicted with some type of brain damage that betrays the person they were or wished to be.
I guess in a sick way, they are finally being accepted into the fold. Goes back to what you said about isolation and alienation.
The common people are welcoming them into their arms, but only if they promise to echo the pro-life agenda.
I can't imagine those damaged don't feel the dissonance or disingenuous nature of this unspoken "agreement", unless their desperate need for being a part of the whole-rather than apart from the whole-outweighs all else.
..I cannot relate to that on an individual basis as a simple escape from solitude is not my top priority.

Yeah, if your face gets disfigured after a suicide attempt, you'll definitely have to kill yourself bc your life is over...unless you like Netflix 24/7

Ahh yes, unfortunately the gems of Netflix are not in endless supply.
So many people already cancelling their subscriptions lol

 

[toomuchgrief]

@After The End
@siray


Sir AftertheEnd. Can you watch this live shotgun suicide video, I think the shotgun that this dude (go by the nickname Shuaiby, a 4chan member) he broadcast it live on Youtube, there was link of this case mentioned here before too.
The shotgun this guy use look exactly like the KelTec KSG that I posted. Can you watch to confirm? Obviously this kid blow his head off live with the KelTec when it aim it at his head.

video link below (shorten it use bi.ly), you click on it and click Continue to confirm your 18 over, and you will see the video.

ItemFix - Social Video Factory

Social Video Factory

bit.ly

eta; Seem like a KelTech aim at the head guarantee death than compared to those who aim a handgun or riffle at their chin. This boy for sure didn't turn out deform, his whole head blow off!

 

[After The End]

Sir AftertheEnd. Can you watch this live shotgun suicide video

Any shotgun of the same bore size, using the same ammunition, will have the same effect. The exact model doesn't matter. I don't need to watch a video of someone blowing their brains out in order to tell you that, and I'm not going to.

Sure, I'll pm you when I get a chance, although I'm pretty positive I already gave it away, generally, in previous comments. It's not exactly idiosyncratic or of grand interest.

Whenever you can be bothered. No rush. I don't really have the motivation to respond to the rest of your comment now. I will do so later.