Method 1,4 butanediol megathread

[Suicat]

Hey, please use GBL. It is more potent than 1,4-bd and it has a more bearable taste. I doubt you would be able to down 100ml of 1,4bd it's really something disgusting and vile.

I don't know where I would get gbl from, I'm currently in psych hospital and ordered 1.4bdl off eBay to my flat and even that's risky as I'm supervised in my flat atm. I have 30 mins unescorted ATM and I'm hoping next week I have an hour so I can get the stuff from my flat without rushing and take myself off to a hotel.

 

[Suicat]

Hey, please use GBL. It is more potent than 1,4-bd and it has a more bearable taste. I doubt you would be able to down 100ml of 1,4bd it's really something disgusting and vile.

Can you describe how it tastes to you?

 

[guildford91rs]

I have 100ml of ghb and a bottle of vodka, but that's my backup option if charcoal burning doesn't work

 

[lukaszz12]

Can you describe how it tastes to you?

It tastes like soap and plastic, really bitter and vomit inducing. Trust me I tried this shit and after drinking a shot of 5ml I had to drink a whole glass of coke. Try it for yourself, I guess.

 

[Jadon91]

It tastes like soap and plastic, really bitter and vomit inducing. Trust me I tried this shit and after drinking a shot of 5ml I had to drink a whole glass of coke. Try it for yourself, I guess.

In fact, I believe that no one in the world can drink such a quantity of pure butanediol. The secret is to mix it with alcohol or a juice

 

[Suicat]

In fact, I believe that no one in the world can drink such a quantity of pure butanediol. The secret is to mix it with alcohol or a juice

But how much mixer would be needed for 100 ml, I imagine a significant amount!

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Let's see if I got this right: assuming a weight of 60 kg, one needs a dose of 120 gr to achieve a LD50 value. Extrapolating from animals.
That's not even close to LD100, and not taking into account tolerance for CNS depressants.

A dose of 120 gr or 120 ml (liquid), is that doable (oral consumption) ?

where do you get the 120gr from?

if we look at the other source you posted

coma and death observed in patients after rectal administration of 15 or 30g 1,4-butanediol (estimated at 200 or 400 mg/kg bw).

400mg/kg is already deadly

for a 60kg person this means

60kg * 400mg/kg = 24.000mg = 24 g = 24ml 1.4b

120 ml is 4x of this and sounds like an extrem overkill

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

btw do nembutal and ghb work similar in the brain?

because nembutal is used in treating ghb withdrawal symptoms


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11719746/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16880774/

 

[lukaszz12]

24g ain't nothing. I know it because I just came back from detox after drinking 2 wines, some vodka and 25g of bdo. My mum found me unresponsive but STILL alive after 14 hours! Then I woke up in the ICU after 2 days of coma. This method is far from perfect imo

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

24g ain't nothing. I know it because I just came back from detox after drinking 2 wines, some vodka and 25g of bdo. My mum found me unresponsive but STILL alive after 14 hours! Then I woke up in the ICU after 2 days of coma. This method is far from perfect imo

are you "fine" relatively speaking?

what is your weight bro?

did you take meto or sth similar?

how long after drinking you passed out?

i wouldnt say its nothing if managed to knockout you out for 14h + 2 days

 

[lukaszz12]

are you "fine" relatively speaking?

what is your weight bro?

2 days wow.

Im about 200 lbs, still feel like shit today and I OD'd on 15 of January. One of the worst experiences in my life. Didn't take meto. Well I threw up some of it and gagged on it and now I got lung inflammation

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Im about 200 lbs, still feel like shit today and I O'D on 15 of January. One of the worst experiences in my life

200 lbs = 90 kg ... 24 ml would be for 60kg

and the people who died on this dosis applied it rectally..not sure if the body absorps more 1.4b then

 

[lukaszz12]

200 lbs = 90 kg ... 24 ml would be for 60kg

and the people who died on this dosis applied it rectally..not sure if the body absorps more 1.4b then

Sure, but.. 25g with some heavy alcohol consumption didn't manage to kill me in 14 hours. Doesn't that say something?

 

[311]

Sure, but.. 25g with some heavy alcohol consumption didn't manage to kill me in 14 hours. Doesn't that say something?

Agreed. 1,4 b should be reserved for making you passout or in a cocktail with other drugs.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Sure, but.. 25g with some heavy alcohol consumption didn't manage to kill me in 14 hours. Doesn't that say something?

yes of course..

however you took about 50% less per kg then the people who died on it (+ you throw up which might had lowered the amount of 1.4b tha entered your body even further while the people who died did it rectally and pretty much absorped all of it)


so far i think the best option is to apply high dosis rectally to avoid vomiting and the taste + alcohol oral


how long until you passed out? can you remember?

do you think it would be possible to combine with another method like hanging or charcoal carbon monooxide method?

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Im about 200 lbs, still feel like shit today and I OD'd on 15 of January. One of the worst experiences in my life. Didn't take meto. Well I threw up some of it and gagged on it and now I got lung inflammation

i hope you get well soon bro

any other damages?

 

[onegoodreason]

I have 100ml of ghb and a bottle of vodka, but that's my backup option if charcoal burning doesn't work

Hi guildford91rs, where did you get your ghb from and how much did it cost, if I may ask? You can PM me with that info, if you prefer. I'm going to hold off on doing anything further until I hear back from you. Thanks. :-)

And does anyone know where to get gbl from and the cost? Looks like that may be the better option overall, but where to get it? Thank you, my friends! :-)

 

[onegoodreason]

Found out recently that I have easy access to both GHB and GBL, through illegal but fairly trustworthy local sources. After reading up on the method, I am now more an more considering to use this as my method. But there is one problem, there is no easy way to get a hold of meto in my country, and I see no point in doing this without it. I could order it online, but I don´t want to risk it being seized in customs. Does anyone have suggestions to countries where I could go and get it otc without any hassle? Planning to do some traveling before I ctb anyways.

I think you can get it in the UK OTC, not positive about that but saw someone post about it in one of the threads. Unfortunately, I don't remember which one, maybe N from A. You could search the forums/threads for it. Just ordered some Primperan (meto) from a UK seller on ebay. May I ask about your access to GHB and GBL? Maybe PM me with that info would be wise. Thanks, journeytotheend! :-)

 

[Kdawg2018]

Ive ordered meto from greek seller and it hasnt got seized by the customs, if you are from Europe it should come pretty fast aswell

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[guildford91rs]

Hi guildford91rs, where did you get your ghb from and how much did it cost, if I may ask? You can PM me with that info, if you prefer. I'm going to hold off on doing anything further until I hear back from you. Thanks. :-)

And does anyone know where to get gbl from and the cost? Looks like that may be the better option overall, but where to get it? Thank you, my friends! :-)

Ghb is a pretty common common drug on the gay scene. If you have any gay friends or you're a guy the easiest way is to get Grindr (a gay hookup app). There's plenty of sellers on there if you're in a decent sized city. It's £40 for 50ml in London

 

[Jadon91]

Agreed. 1,4 b should be reserved for making you passout or in a cocktail with other drugs.

What made you change your mind so radically about this method? You have been the discoverer of this method and you have brought many sources and information on this forum.
Did you read new studies that made you change your mind? Maybe in your opinion did you make any mistake of assessment?
It's just a question for information, because this method seemed potentially interesting. And I ask you that you are one of the most informed.

 

[Arak]

@RememberWhatUCameFor

I'm not going to assume rectal administration. I extrapolated from animal values.

Nembutal and GHB are very different. Both are CNS depressants, the similarity ends there.

 

[Arak]

Back to #178:

120 gr of 1,4 butanediol is a frame of reference. Based on animal LD50 values. We have no idea what the human LD100 is really like.
Sort of taking a page out of the book of Nitschke 'for an eclective death' choose three times that amount, that would be 360 gr.
Taking into account that it's slowly converted in GHB, why not round it off to 0,5 litres !

Would anyone be able to drink that ?

My feeling it's not a good choice.

Odds are better when combining CNS depressants, but to me it seems the results are unpredictable. The depressants effect most likely stems from its effect on GABAB.

 

[journeytotheend]

I think you can get it in the UK OTC, not positive about that but saw someone post about it in one of the threads. Unfortunately, I don't remember which one, maybe N from A. You could search the forums/threads for it. Just ordered some Primperan (meto) from a UK seller on ebay. May I ask about your access to GHB and GBL? Maybe PM me with that info would be wise. Thanks, journeytotheend! :-)

Thanks, I will do some research on meto in the UK. My source for GHB/GBL is just a small-time local dealer who has the gay community as his main customer base. I see that you are in the states, so I guess a Norwegian street dealer won´t be much help to you. But like others have suggested in the thread I would start the search in the gay community if you´re looking for a local source. If you have any other questions just send me a pm, and I will answer to the best of my ability:--)

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

@RememberWhatUCameFor

I'm not going to assume rectal administration. I extrapolated from animal values.

Nembutal and GHB are very different. Both are CNS depressants, the similarity ends there.

Back to #178:

120 gr of 1,4 butanediol is a frame of reference. Based on animal LD50 values. We have no idea what the human LD100 is really like.
Sort of taking a page out of the book of Nitschke 'for an eclective death' choose three times that amount, that would be 360 gr.
Taking into account that it's slowly converted in GHB, why not round it off to 0,5 litres !

Would anyone be able to drink that ?

My feeling it's not a good choice.

Odds are better when combining CNS depressants, but to me it seems the results are unpredictable. The depressants effect most likely stems from its effect on GABAB.

i agree that its not as reliable as for instance nembutal. basically everything important has been said here:

Human data
Acute toxicity
The critical toxic effect of 1,4-butanediol is neurotoxicity. Central nervous system disturbances including decreased alertness, dizziness and respiratory depression have been reported following oral dosing at 25 mg/kg bw. More significant effects occur at higher doses and by other routes of administration with sleep induction, restlessness and myoclonus (a quick, involuntary twitching of a muscle or muscle group) reported to occur following intravenous administration of 30 mg/kg bw and miosis (constriction of the pupil of the eye), areflexia (absence of reflexes), coma and death observed in patients after rectal administration of 15 or 30g 1,4-butanediol (estimated at 200 or 400 mg/kg bw).

Experience with human exposure—case studies
Numerous case reports are available that describe the neurological consequences (including agitation, combativeness, respiratory depression, a labile (imbalanced or unbalanced) level of consciousness, vomiting, seizures and death) in patients known to have ingested illicit products containing 1,4-butanediol.

The inability to accurately determine the dose of 1,4-butanediol ingested—and the co-exposure to other chemicals present at unreported concentration in these products in many cases—means that it is not possible to correlate the degree of 1,4-butanediol exposure with the severity of neurotoxicity from these reports.

i disagree with you transfering the results from rabbits and mice 1 to 1 to humans though. thats just not right.

https://www.livescience.com/46147-animal-data-unreliable-for-humans.html

Many drugs that appear safe and effective in animals fail in humans, or cause significant harm, and even death. A 2004 study from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration found that 92 percent of drugs entering clinical trials following animal testing fail to be approved.

and im pretty sure you know this

you cant even transfer the dosis of nembutal rabbits need to other animals.

Although rabbits should be euthanized with sodium pentobarbital in the same manner described earlier for cats and dogs, because of their high metabolism they require fully twice the amount of drugs. For IV injection, therefore, at least 2 milliliters of sodium pentobarbital should be used per 10 pounds of animal, and for IP injection 6 milliliters is the minimum recommended. Both PreMix and Telazol are acceptable pre-euthanasia drugs for rabbits. Rabbits should never be euthanized using a gas chamber or another inhalant agent.

https://www.animalsheltering.org/sites/default/files/content/euthanasia-reference-manual.pdf


so taking the dosis needed to kill rabbits and transfering it 1 to 1 to humans is not legitimate

we know that people accidentaly killed themself in the past though (often in connection with other substances but often also not). something that would be hardly possible if the amount you consider to be necessary for ctb would be correct.

 

[onegoodreason]

Please folks, could someone answer my questions above? Thanks so much! :-) Peace.

Thanks, I will do some research on meto in the UK. My source for GHB/GBL is just a small-time local dealer who has the gay community as his main customer base. I see that you are in the states, so I guess a Norwegian street dealer won´t be much help to you. But like others have suggested in the thread I would start the search in the gay community if you´re looking for a local source. If you have any other questions just send me a pm, and I will answer to the best of my ability:--)

Thank you for your response, journeytotheend, I really do appreciate it! :-D Hmm, yes, I'd have to agree a Norwegian street dealer wouldn't be much help to me here in the states. But tbh, I don't think buying from a dealer I don't know would be such a great idea, either. Not trustworthy enough. Maybe I could ask my medical MJ delivery guy if he knows anything about it and where/who to buy from. Not sure he'd tell me, but I could ask. Thanks again! :-D

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Thank you, RememberWhatUCameFor, I appreciate your response, but could you translate that into English for me, please? I don't understand the metric systems at all. The bottle I may get is 1 oz., how does that translate? Is 1 oz. = to 60ml? How many ounces is 20.8g or 20.8ml?

Hang on, I think I've got a syringe I've never used that was supposed to be for assist feeding my kitties and it goes to 60ml. This thing is big! And it says right on it that 30ml is 1 oz and 60ml is 2 oz!! Cool. So, if 20.8ml would "do it" for me, then I only need a 1 oz bottle, not 2 oz. Would the extra 10ml or so be too much and perhaps induce vomiting? Or would it help to ensure death? Anyone? Just tested the amount with the syringe for 30ml and that would go down in one mouthful and two swallows. Yahoo!

I realize going through the rectum is also another way to administer, but I'm not sure how that would be done, either. Create a suppository out of it, somehow? Squeeze a dropper right in there? Yikes!? Steady hands and good aim required there, all at an awkward angle. Think I'll drink it, antiemetics on board, and Bailey's cherry chocolate before and after!! Yeah. Could I mix the 1,4b right into the alcohol, or better to keep them separated, drinking the alcohol before and after the 1,4b? And death should be fairly swift, barring being found before hand, though that's unlikely in my situation. Husband doesn't come in here unless he has to these days, happily.

Arak, I know you're very skeptical of this method, could you say again why that is? I'm glad you found the excerpts I posted helpful, but I don't understand the technical jargon. Could you translate into understandable English? What is LD50? ldlo? Converting kg to mg to ml?? (roll eyes) I just don't understand this stuff!? I'm leaning more toward this method as it is somewhat easier to acquire and far less expensive than N. And going by what About To Go last posted, looks like he was successful with it, though we don't know for sure yet. How do we find that out, by the way? My intent is to send a final post here, but I will be clearing my computer of as much as I can with relation to this group before I go, so won't be posting a moment to moment "play by play". But I would like you all to know that I succeeded, or not. How would I set that up? Suggestions, please!

Thanks, all. Peace. :-)

Please folks, could someone answer my questions above? Thanks so much! :-) Peace.

well people manage to kill themself all the time with 1.4/ghb especially in combination with alcohol and rectal application

coma and death observed in patients after rectal administration of 15 or 30g 1,4-butanediol (estimated at 200 or 400 mg/kg bw).

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note:

rectal application apparently needs either a syringe without needle or an enema:

https://addictionresource.com/addiction/plugging-drugs/
http://torontovibe.com/routes-of-administration/

since its an acid dulting with warm water is highly recommend

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the result from rabbits and mice cant be transfered to humans. they often have a higher metabolism and thus need higher dosis which can also be observed with nembutal

Pentobarbital - Toxicity Data: Oral LD50 (Human): 36 mg/kg; Oral LD50 (rat): 125 mg/kg; Intraperitoneal LD50 (rat): 108 mg/kg; Subcutaneous LD50 (rat): 144 mg/kg; Oral LD50 (mouse): 170 mg/kg; Intraperitoneal LD50 (mouse): 75 mg/kg;

https://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/20965m.pdf


we dont know the exact, perfect amount of 1.4b for humans which is necesserary for the perfect ctb, especially when its applied orally

all we have are reports from overdoses that lead to death

The inability to accurately determine the dose of 1,4-butanediol ingested—and the co-exposure to other chemicals present at unreported concentration in these products in many cases—means that it is not possible to correlate the degree of 1,4-butanediol exposure with the severity of neurotoxicity from these reports.

an example would be @lukaszz12

he took 25ml 1.4b at 90kg which would make about 277mg/kg (compared to 400mg/kg you would take, 576mg/kg if you would take the whole 30ml 1.4b) and combined it with alcohol which should have been at the lower end lof lethal.

however he didnt die. he was found and in a coma for several days. but he didnt die

possible reasons:

1. low dosis (277mg/kg) instead of 400mg/kg
2. application: oral -> threw up, which probably even lowered the amount of 1.4b his body absorbed.


on the other hand we have @About_to_Go who took 60ml with meto and is probably dead now.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/im-about-to-go.10690/



so what does this mean? if you take the mentioned dosis rectally and combinate it with strong alcohol oral i think you will die if you make sure you wont be found in the following 24h...however i surely wont give a garantuee for that.

you are basically a guinea pig.





good thing about this method is that it doesnt seem to come with permanent long term effects (like permanent brain damage) in case of failure in opposite to other methods like hanging, carbon monooxide

 

[Didymus]

2 other persons taking 1,4B with status unknown are:

@purposeless (75ml)

Update: I got it open (fucking child-protection seal) I mixed 75ml Butanediol with 100ml water. Wanted to drink it straight up but it really does not taste good; it's pretty bitter so I thought water might help (I didn't) Let's see if it works...

@wutsthepoint (I guess 50ml)

I took a fair amount of this stuff last night to test it out, mixed with apple whiskey. surprisingly it took more than expected to have any affect. i rarely do drugs, but do often drink. I would say around 4 tubes from the 2oz bottle to feel anything, and at that it was a mild drunken feeling, no sleepyness or lethargic reaction. kind of upset because someone stated a few drops made them react and I took far more then that. age23 weight160lb, no meto on hand but mat try a megadose tonight of all that remains and see if I can maybe just throw up in my sleep and die.. be fine with that, better on my family too they would think i just got piss drunk and asphyxiated

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

2 other persons taking 1,4B with status unknown are:

@purposeless (75ml)


@wutsthepoint (I guess 50ml)

well they didnt post after that anymore

i think 75ml is pretty much deadly (in case you dont vomit everything out and are not massively overweight) if we consider that 25ml (even with vomiting) was just enough to send a big 90kg (200lbs) man straight to coma for several days

 

[Didymus]

well they didnt post after that anymore

i think 75ml is pretty much deadly (in case you dont vomit everything out and are not massively overweight) if we consider that 25ml (even with vomiting) was just enough to send a big 90kg (200lbs) man straight to coma for several days

True. Also @Toenditall took 60ml but was found and saved.

I have 1,4b and do want to use it but reading about these attempts here and recent posts about theory there is a huge discrepancy in lethal dose taken orally. Which makes me nervous.