Zip tie suicide

[ningaman151]

I know this wont work conventionally, but what does everyone think about using zip ties to commit suicide. The zip ties would be placed ontop of a towel around the neck to prevent cutting.Then obviously they would be tigheneted to choke the individual. I tried tightening a zip tie around my neck but it seemed to get too uncomfortable and I did not have cable cutters laying around in case something went wrong. Can one acheive the same effect as hanging by using zip ties?

 

[weedoge]

It would definitely work but it's so hard to remove them that's probably why there's no information on the method. Once you're doing a test run enough to pass out, then you're already gone pretty much... I tightened zip ties on my wrist once and panicked so hard because I couldnt even cut them off.

Some way to do a partial suspension and tighten them more than you can do with just your hand, I'd say it's a pretty foolproof but also terrifying method. Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[useless]

I saw a thread somewhere, one guy failed this because the pressure you need to strangle yourself snaps the ties.
Edit: I'm an idiot, the ties didn't snap

 

[weedoge]

I saw a thread somewhere, one guy failed this because the pressure you need to strangle yourself snaps the ties.

What sort of flimsy cable ties was he using? I'm using 2 cable ties to hold up a vertical planter in my garden that's full of soil and plants. I can just barely lift it by hand and they're stretching but not anywhere close to snapping. It's extremely difficult to snap zip ties in my experience. I could get a picture.

edit: and also it takes pretty low amount of force to strangle yourself I think.

double edit: This has me extremely curious now I'm actually going to see if a single cable tie can hold my entire weight, I'll get back to you on that and also the type of ties I have.

mega triple edit: also even if one cable tie were to snap, they're very thin and so you could use 2 to balance the force without increasing the area of pressure too much. In fact, if you're using a towel beneath them the area of pressure would be pretty much identical but with double the tensile strength.

 

[useless]

What sort of flimsy cable ties was he using?

8ch.net/suicide/res/43941.html

Okay so I just did a dry run and have to say. Do not ever attempt it with cable ties!!! It doesn't work!!!! The amount of force you need to compress your arteries is way too high. You choke to death!

I almost broke my hyoid bone.

it takes pretty low amount of force to strangle yourself I think.

I'm too lazy to look it up but it takes somewhere between 7-22lbs of force to compress your carotids.

 

[weedoge]

8ch.net/suicide/res/43941.html


I'm too lazy to look it up but it takes somewhere between 7-22lbs of force to compress your carotids.

Yus and most zip ties can support much greater force than this. Have you ever fiddled and played around with them? They're scarily strong.

Although I see now the issue isn't that the cables snapped but possibly that the positioning was incorrect and tightening slowly may not have been a great idea. If he tightened slowly enough to feel that immense pressure against his neck but was also able to cut them off... it's difficult to believe, cable ties are very hard to cut off when they're that tight.

Either way this failure to me seems due to survival instinct and terror, which is pretty much what I say to OP it's viable but also terrifying and there are much much better methods. Even a shoelace may be better, the advantage of cable ties is if you're brave enough to go through with it at first and don't worry about a bit of agony, then you're unlikely to be able to back out once you've started.

 

[useless]

cable ties are very hard to cut off when they're that tight.

Not if you have tin snips, it only takes one or two snips. If you're still trying this @ningaman151 keep some handy in case you need them.
Edit: god damn it I fucked up again, I meant tin snips

 

[Caustic Cardinals]

why torture yourself anymore than life has already?

 

[PatKat]

I know this wont work conventionally, but what does everyone think about using zip ties to commit suicide. The zip ties would be placed ontop of a towel around the neck to prevent cutting.Then obviously they would be tigheneted to choke the individual. I tried tightening a zip tie around my neck but it seemed to get too uncomfortable and I did not have cable cutters laying around in case something went wrong. Can one acheive the same effect as hanging by using zip ties?

It would work, but it would be brutal your body would be clawing at the zip tie...

 

[weedoge]

Not if you have tin snips, it only takes one or two snips. If you're still trying this @ningaman151 keep some handy in case you need them.
Edit: god damn it I fucked up again, I meant tin snips

To be fair I think OP was just discussing, his first sentence implies he's not going to attempt this.

but I mean, if he was making a serious attempt, getting hold of tin snips and keeping them next to you while attempting... I'd say you better off call a helpline :P

 

[bigj75]

why torture yourself anymore than life has already?

this. Quick and easy is the way to go.

 

[Caustic Cardinals]

oxygen induced convulsions are painful and ratifying

 

[useless]

To be fair I think OP was just discussing, his first sentence implies he's not going to attempt this.

I'll take your word for it, I have zero reading comprehension today.

if he was making a serious attempt, getting hold of tin snips and keeping them next to you while attempting... I'd say you better off call a helpline :P

"Hello 800 suicide, I can't tell if I'm choking to death yet, how do I get this thing off me"

 

[weedoge]

I'll take your word for it, I have zero reading comprehension today.

"Hello 800 suicide, I can't tell if I'm choking to death yet, how do I get this thing off me"

What I mean is that it seems silly to have a very specific tool next to you that will help abort your attempt. ^^ and np np

OP said "I know this wont work conventionally,"

 

[PatKat]

I know my SI would kick in and I would leave gashes on my neck trying to claw my way out of it...

 

[Phro]

This sounds horribly painful. While I'm in a hurry to ctb, death by zip tie isn't the way to go.

 

[ningaman151]

To be fair I think OP was just discussing, his first sentence implies he's not going to attempt this.

but I mean, if he was making a serious attempt, getting hold of tin snips and keeping them next to you while attempting... I'd say you better off call a helpline :P

The reason I would want to have cable cutters is in case it gets too painful and overwhelming. I want to go out peacefully.

 

[Clover]

Sounds painful

 

[Phro]

Sounds painful

I have a high tolerance for pain but this method might test it.

 

[ningaman151]

I have a high tolerance for pain but this method might test it.

I don't think pain is the correct term to use here. A feeling of suffocation will probably be the result of a tightened zip tie around the neck.

 

[Phro]

I don't think pain is the correct term to use here. A feeling of suffocation will probably be the result of a tightened zip tie around the neck.

Fair point. However, the pressure of the zip tie will probably cut (deeply?) into the skin if pulled tight enough. That's gotta be unpleasant.

 

[Ssname]

Wouldn't it essentialy be the tourniquet method but with a different ligature?

 

[famblycat]

Fair point. However, the pressure of the zip tie will probably cut (deeply?) into the skin if pulled tight enough. That's gotta be unpleasant.

For that a towel or some cloth is mentioned.

Wouldn't it essentialy be the tourniquet method but with a different ligature?

I might be wrong but I think it's pretty much the same, just easier (in my mind at least).

Just looked up on google, seems like many cases like this...sadly some are suicidal and homicidal, like this one

"Council Bluffs police said Monday that Charlotte Schilling, 41, of Plattsmouth, Neb. and her son, Owen, both died with plastic zip ties around their necks in a murder-suicide.
....Council Bluffs Police Sgt. Chad Meyers said Schilling actually lost consciousness during her previous suicide attempt, and a family member heard her fall. Someone was able to cut the zip tie off Schilling?s neck quickly enough for her to recover."

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthre...trangled-son-with-zip-tie-then-killed-herself

 

[FailedWoman]

I've been considering this for quite a while. Not being able to back out is a good thing for me I guess.
This or full suspension. I'd try to use zip ties to tie my hands behind my back in the latter case.

 

[FroggMan]

What a coincidence, just kinda failed this method yesterday. Wasn't able to get it to work out to my liking and then I started throwing up and feeling weak (health problems) so I called it a day. By threading the ziptie backwards I was able to practice where on my neck to tighten around so that it was lights out real quick without getting that purple in your face blood filling your head feeling, but when I got to my spot I couldn't get it to work out. You probably only get one attempt with this method since a properly tightened zip tie round your neck would be hell to get off. Also, would like to mention again that you can practice this method somewhat by threading the zip tie through its loop backwards, if that make sense.

And it's very uncomfortable and will kinda choke you as well.

 

[skitliv]

Wouldn't it essentialy be the tourniquet method but with a different ligature?

Yes,thats my understanding of it

 

[ningaman151]

What a coincidence, just kinda failed this method yesterday. Wasn't able to get it to work out to my liking and then I started throwing up and feeling weak (health problems) so I called it a day. By threading the ziptie backwards I was able to practice where on my neck to tighten around so that it was lights out real quick without getting that purple in your face blood filling your head feeling, but when I got to my spot I couldn't get it to work out. You probably only get one attempt with this method since a properly tightened zip tie round your neck would be hell to get off. Also, would like to mention again that you can practice this method somewhat by threading the zip tie through its loop backwards, if that make sense.

And it's very uncomfortable and will kinda choke you as well.

Yeah that was how I felt when I moderately tightened the zip tie around my neck. Heck man it's so hard killing yourself without all the fancy stuff.

 

[throwaway123]

Yeah that was how I felt when I moderately tightened the zip tie around my neck. Heck man it's so hard killing yourself without all the fancy stuff.

Yea FroggMan is correct. Cable ties don't work

 

[Fluke]

I've thought about doing this. Surely it's similar to hanging, which lots of people seem to think is a decent exit?

 

[Magnus]

I was planning to try this method on saturday. I tested some zip ties, and it takes 2 8 inch ties together but they fit around my neck. My problem would be tightening the cords tight enough to actually work. About how tight do you think they would need to go to successfully strangle someone?