• Hey Guest,

    We wanted to share a quick update with the community.

    Our public expense ledger is now live, allowing anyone to see how donations are used to support the ongoing operation of the site.

    👉 View the ledger here

    Over the past year, increased regulatory pressure in multiple regions like UK OFCOM and Australia's eSafety has led to higher operational costs, including infrastructure, security, and the need to work with more specialized service providers to keep the site online and stable.

    If you value the community and would like to help support its continued operation, donations are greatly appreciated. If you wish to donate via Bank Transfer or other options, please open a ticket.

    Donate via cryptocurrency:

    Bitcoin (BTC):
    Ethereum (ETH):
    Monero (XMR):
N

noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
6,807
So this woman I had a date with on Saturday seems to ghost me. Today I sent a second message and if I don't get a reply the next 2-3 days I gonna delete her contact. I have like a million theories why she rejected me. And no theory is actually good for my self-worth and self-confidence. I feel horrible about it. We were so similar. We both are on the autism spectrum. However, I am not a single mom of a five year old child. And I think it is better that this isn't the case. Moreover, she seemed to like love bullying. For me a red flag.

I have one very close friend who is in a longterm relationship. He is among my two closest friends. The ones that called the police when I was on the edge of suicide. I think my family should be thankful to them. The irony is my mom never learned how serious it was. She thinks they called the police without immediate danger. But I was about to drink my SN. Thus far I think it was better the police arrived before I drank it. But this isn't the topic of this thread.

I think my friend has a role model relationship with his gf. He is never lying to her. They are extremely open and honest. He said he couldn't imagine a non-monogamous relationship when he never was in a relationship. But now after more than 5 years (not sure about that exact number) he says he would be open for sexual relations with other women if it is communicated properly. And his gf knows that. I am not sure whether she would want to do the same.

I often tell him about the quantum physics professor who was an expert in future predictions. My friend told me we will never play again a certain card game. He said that 5 years ago. I told him the quantum physics professors would say don't be too confident when making predictions. And well now we are playing it again. I am friends with him since over a decade. I think for over 15 years we are friends now. The people in the core friend group know themselve sfor over 10 years. I asked him in which scenario would it be likely that our friendship falls apart. I made a joke if I murdered a friend during a psychosis. (I am extremely harmless psychotic thank God) Or when I just murdered a friend for fun. Which was a joke. But he replied if a friend of him had an affair with his gf he wouldn't want to spend time with him anymore. And the condition was the affair takes place behind his back. There is a joke that someone else in the friend group had an affair with his gf. I am pretty sure this isn't the case though.

So I thought about it to myself. Would I trade a close friendship for a sexual affair? And I think never in my life would I do that. At least for now I cannot imagine it. It is way more likely that one day I am so desperate to go a sex worker. But betraying a close friend never. When our friendship started we both were pretty unpopular among peers. And there were two friends who talked shit about him behind his back to impress other women. I never participated in that. I think I told him straightaway about that. But I am not perfect I gossiped about another friend once but only because he wasn't loyal either. But my current friends are the best thing that ever happened to me. I would never trade their friendship for sex. Not even for a relationship. I think it is not worth it. And only a moron with no princriples would do that. But maybe the answer also depends on how good the friends actually are.

I am now friends with them for 15 years. We went through so much together. I think I have some traits that make it pretty unlikely that a relationship with a woman is long lasting. I think sex would be interesting. But I don't like the taste of betrayal. And sex would be easier to get if I just paid a sex worker. There is no need to stab a friend in the back for that. Both is probably pretty immoral. And I betraying my friend would be also stupid as fuck. I am a horrible liar it would come out eventually. And ruin a close friendship that saved me a couple of times from the edge. I think my support network is extremely important. Trading sex for it would be stupid as fuck. And a romantic partnership? I don't think this would work either.

I jokingly told to one of my friends. Imagine that all of our friends were bisexual. We often have parties (without alcohol), we are just playing video games, talking bullshit, having fun. Imagine we would have orgies at these parties. I think this would actually ruin our friendships. I know this thought is bizarre. I think though when the sexual factor comes into play this can make relations pretty difficult. I think it is way better to externalize it. However, there were two friends that they tried to couple and it didn't work. I think when sexuality comes into play talking about needs is very important. I think it can corrupt relations. And it can become pretty transactional. Sometimes it works. But often times it doesn't work.

What do you think?

Okay yada yada yada she (the woman I had a date with on Saturday) just messaged me and complimented me. I am not sure whether its honest though...
I just did stupid rationalization for convincing me that it is better when she tears me apart. Lol. I am not sure whether she is actually honest though.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: katagiri83 and daruino
Spike Spiegel

Spike Spiegel

Member
Sep 26, 2022
75
To address the question listed in the title. Personally I would not. Not to get psychoanalytical but humans are in general very bad at rationalizing risk. The build up of wanting something makes us value it almost to the point of irrationality. But often these feelings do not take into account the after. Or the effects of that action. I am a male who had and maintains several close plutonic friendships. In some cases there was likely potential for something romantic. However like you these friends were crucial to my support system in some of my worst times. I'm not sure if it was out of respect for our friendship or the fear that I may need them one day, maybe a mixture of both. But I never pursued anything romantic. Some of these friends I still have to this day. Others have drifted off just due to life. In short, I think real genuine friendship is valuable, more valuable then any sexual encounter specially if it is not with long term intentions.
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: noname223
D

daruino

odi et amo
Nov 9, 2025
110
Huh? I thought the date went well on saturday? It's kind of weird for her to not reply for 2 days and then compliment you. Be careful I'd say- did you ask about the silence?

About the question- I wouldn't- but that's because I don't really want sex. I don't think I'd trade in a friend for any other things either though.

Imagine we would have orgies at these parties. I think this would actually ruin our friendships. I know this thought is bizarre. I think though when the sexual factor comes into play this can make relations pretty difficult. I think it is way better to externalize it. However, there were two friends that they tried to couple and it didn't work. I think when sexuality comes into play talking about needs is very important. I think it can corrupt relations. And it can become pretty transactional. Sometimes it works. But often times it doesn't work.
What you said here also spoke to me. I've thought about the possibility of me in a relationship with my closest friend- after all we already have a strong emotional bond and the same views on important things. I think exclusivity changes the dynamic though. When we choose commitment, we're also committing a future version of ourselves we can't fully predict. Either person can change and decide to leave. To feel secure, partners may try to control each other, because there are no guarantees. In that sense, committing can mean limiting your own freedom in advance. In a relationship, your freedom is no longer just yours but becomes intertwined with someone else's.

However in my closest friendships I value the freedom I have with them the most. I can't always be myself around people. With my closest of friends I can say and act how I want. In a (sexual-) relationship I could see freedom disappearing and not working as well as our friendship did.
 
  • Love
Reactions: Spike Spiegel and noname223
N

noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
6,807
Huh? I thought the date went well on saturday? It's kind of weird for her to not reply for 2 days and then compliment you. Be careful I'd say- did you ask about the silence?
Thanks about caring my drama love life. First, I also wasn't sure whether it is the truth. But she sent me two messages. One of them was really long.
I know she is a single mom, who studies at a university and works part-time. She said she was quite busy the last days and slept a lot. I think that's quite likely the truth. She is on the autism spectrum. And I know very well that social interactions can be very draining. I was also very sleepy the day after our date. And I have way less responsibilities than her. Both of her replies sounded pretty honest. I am not sure whether she was aware no reply would make me pretty nervous. But I also didn't pose a question in my first message. I am glad my boner didn't ruin it. Lol. I panicked a lot about this notion.
 
  • Like
Reactions: katagiri83 and daruino

Similar threads

N
Replies
2
Views
112
Offtopic
noname223
N
N
Replies
23
Views
823
Offtopic
SchizoPolyGymnast
SchizoPolyGymnast
Pvnie
Replies
2
Views
51
Offtopic
Hvergelmir
H
N
Replies
4
Views
177
Offtopic
daruino
D