Discussion Would you still ctb if it led to someone else ctb?

[lyles]

So I am in this situation where if I ctb I am 99% positive at least two (if not more) of my family members would do the same due to it. There are the moral implications of it, sure, but practically, I just don't want them to suffer like that. Or for the rest of my loved ones either. I think this isn't an uncommon experience, but I may be wrong. And this isn't to say anyone is right or wrong for whatever they choose. It is just the quandary I find myself in.

 

[AnestheticVoid]

Wouldn't they suffer more by having to exist without you if they care that deeply?

 

[Messgram]

Depends on how much I'm suffering

 

[sadanon3]

No

 

[Mrikaii]

Yes, I personally couldnt care less about what happens after my death.

 

[Sea Turtle]

CTB is a personal decision, for you, and for others. If my decision is to, then I will. What others decide is on them.

 

[FuneralCry]

We all have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing. If someone else decided to ctb, then that is their decision. I could never stay alive just for the sake of others, I have no obligations to stay alive as I did not ask to exist.

 

[Al Cappella]

I have no control over what someone does, so no, it wouldn't change things…

 

[Blowba]

I want to say yes but if I knew who it was and their relationship to me it might be a no

 

[Versailles]

CTB is a personal decision, and each people must understand it

 

[GentleJerk]

Some people are less concerned with others, and don't care what might happen if they ctb. But I feel you OP. I'm in a similar situation and it's extremely difficult. Knowing how it will affect my loved ones, also the thought of not being here to help them and protect them, It's even more difficult for me than the act of committing suicide would be.

 

[SpaceCadet]

To be honest i don't care, it's a personal decision, i'm not responsible for what people might do after it, even though it's sad and it happens.

 

[onleana]

im in the same situation. its a tough decision to make. it hurts me that they will suffer and the thought that they will propably cbt too actually brings me peace. i would prefer them to cbt then to suffer for the rest of their lives.

 

[NoLightRemains]

This is what I struggle with the most. My suicidal ideation became most severe and consistent after those close to me CTB. I know it would likely cause suffering and put the idea of suicide at the forefront of other's minds.

 

[samishii]

Maybe I would try to prevent others from CTB to the best of my abilities. If I can't, I wouldn't CTB. I don't have the guts to ruin others lives further.

 

[Coffeandamug]

The only case I would open an exception for CBT is if I had children. I guess there are some other cases but too especific and improbable to be listed. My suicide will probably lead my mom to commit suicide too, but that's not my responsability. She is an adult, and has to answer for her choices. I'm not a fan of this idea of people answering for their choices because I don't believe in free will (and some other things), but that's just how the world works nowdays. An adult has to answer for his actions. That means I answer for my bodily automy and she answers for hers.

 

[Of The Universe]

Who are these people? Parents? Spouse? Kids? Very tough dilemma. Have u talked about ctb with them?

 

[deleted]

for sure the closest i have is my parents and they treat me like a burden if this is the case fuck them and their feelings they never cared about me

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Life is strange, isn't it? This unfounded expectation for everyone born here to live out their entire life span to upkeep the social cohesion. It puzzles me.

My solution to others I'm close to dying has always been to die myself, and that hasn't bothered me. Suicide has always been my trump card to escape something bad. And if there are people in my bubble who can only be happy under the condition that I live out 5 decades+, then so be it. That just says a lot about how nightmarish life is if all those fragile layers of conditions are required.

I'd hope at least that those who are left behind don't die wrecklessly if they decide to go down the same route as myself. I wish I could leave behind a "only open if you also are gonna ctb after me" letter, but that 1) encourages it by planting the idea and 2) might sabotage the method for many more people on SS.

What is the outcome if I do not ctb? Well I have thought about this, and basically the expectation is that I watch my parents and some siblings, and all animals I love die before me. And, what? Find strength from that? Most would submerge themselves into a new family to cope, by popping out a handful of mini-me's, but this is off the table for me. So it'd be just me taking the full emotional impact, drawn out over 50+ years. Fucking crazy that this is okay, while it isn't okay for me to just pull the plug early on.

 

[Arrow]

I still would.

 

[lyles]

Some people are less concerned with others, and don't care what might happen if they ctb. But I feel you OP. I'm in a similar situation and it's extremely difficult. Knowing how it will affect my loved ones, also the thought of not being here to help them and protect them, It's even more difficult for me than the act of committing suicide would be.

That is hard, I am sending you the best of hope through it, however it goes. Regardless, I think the consideration you have is meaningful in of itself. Thank you for the comment though !!

Who are these people? Parents? Spouse? Kids? Very tough dilemma. Have u talked about ctb with them?

Parent and sibling. Both are very aware I have been suicidal at multiple points. My sibling has recently come out with the fact that he has been self harming and suicidal for at least four years. My mom has outright said that if anything happens to me or him she wouldn't make it. He's essentially done the same. I would never ctb WITH either of them, though. Same thing for them, I imagine.

 

[ANONYMOUSM]

yep

 

[Dead Already]

So I am in this situation where if I ctb I am 99% positive at least two (if not more) of my family members would do the same due to it. There are the moral implications of it, sure, but practically, I just don't want them to suffer like that. Or for the rest of my loved ones either. I think this isn't an uncommon experience, but I may be wrong. And this isn't to say anyone is right or wrong for whatever they choose. It is just the quandary I find myself in.

They should be given the same freedom to decide that you wish for. it shows that you still care for others, that you are worried your demise will affect the will to live of others.
Sounds like you are an intricate part of the support system of others, no disrespect, just sounds like a lot of pressure.
As you already know, we all have to make our own decisions.
I do understand, I have just spent three years distancing my self from loved ones and moving halfway around the world, in order to have as little "close in" affect on others as possible as I get closer to CTB