Discussion Would you donate your organs if you CTB or elected euthanasia?

[Praestat_Mori]

No, I want my body to be intact.

"Braindead" is not dead - it's a state in between. Dying is a process and nobody knows what actually happens during that process and what the dying person still experiences and what not.

It'd be much better if governments actively supported and funded programs on how we can grow organs from our own stem cells if we need a replacement. Genetically such organs would fit perfectly to our genetics as they grow from our own stem cells.

Also, I'd prefer to die instead of asking for organs from someone else. In some cases, people can live a happy life but imo in most cases people are still suffering, need strong medication and the organs can be rejected by their bodies.

 

[Average Joe]

In 2 weeks I will start the legal process of requesting euthanasia because I can't bring myself to suicide, but I'll reconsider suicide if I'm denied. I have a choice of donating my organs. I'm on the fence about it. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the pros and/or cons. Also, if you could choose organ donation with suicide, would you?

The pro is that someone could make use of the life I do not want.

The con is that I'm going to be chopped up, which is a pretty horrible thought.

Thanks in advance for your insights.

I also wanted to say, I completely forgot in my first comment and I apologise again for that but I sincerely hope you find peace. I don't know much about euthanasia but I wish you the best with it and the legal process

 

[GeminiButter]

I've always wanted to donate my organs and have known people who've died who've then saved others through donation, and people who have been saved from other donations.

It makes sense that a completed suicide in all likelihood means the organs probably won't be able to be donated, and I am sad about that. Although maybe skin still could be. Anyway. I'm glad I'm an organ donor.

 

[Polyxo]

In an ideal situation I would want to, but my parents were against it so I am not a registered donor. Plus, if I poison myself with SN, I don't know how viable my organs would be

 

[StarryEyed]

It seems most of us don't know whether or not we can be donors after suicide or if we can be donors if our organs are unhealthy. So I did a little digging and it turns out I can't find out for anyone without knowing exactly where you live and your health conditions (which I don't want to know). The reason is that the answers vary depending on your country and also often the region you live in (such as the state you live in in the US). So for those of you who want to know, you can contact your local donor organisation for yourself. I will be doing that. If your question is about organ harvesting after suicide, of course you should say you're calling for a friend.

@Average Joe, thank for your beautiful apology and for your kind words about my current situation. Catholicism, suicide and euthanasia is definitely a tough subject for me. Yes, I read that your donation is to help others. But also you said, "I also can't accept people refusing to donate for religious reasons, as a catholic my soul is what matters and not my body," I roughly translated that to mean you're also donating because you're Catholic, which you expanded upon in your post yesterday here....

I posted this I believe when I came out of A&E and so it might not have been the nicest of comments. I never said I am donating my organs because I am a Catholic, I believe you may have misread that. I plan to donate my organs because "I hope some of my organs could be of use to another person or to be studied at the very least."

"I also can't accept people refusing to donate for religious reasons, as a catholic my soul is what matters and not my body." With regards to this, I tried to portray that my body will not matter to me when I am dead, as my soul will reunite with Christ in Heaven.

Thank you for seeking clarity. It's so difficult to communicate when we're teetering at the edge of a cliff. Thank you for caring to communicate with me. Wow. And thank you.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I'd never ask for an organ (if I needed one from someone else) but I would agree that the needed organ is grown out of my own stem cells.#
There're actually search engine results from research.

Scientists Take First Steps Toward Growing Organs from Scratch

Researchers from UC San Francisco and Cedars-Sinai have developed a new way to prompt stem cells to form specific organs. It sets the stage for growing human organs from scratch – a long-time goal of regenerative medicine.

www.ucsf.edu

Organ Regeneration Through Stem Cells and Tissue Engineering - PMC

Loss of organ and tissue due to injuries or diseases led to the development of regenerative therapies to decrease reliance on organ transplantations. It deals with employing the self-renewal ability of stem cells to differentiate into numerous ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There's probably more in an in depth search.

 

[bananaolympus]

I would like it in a perfect scenario but i don't think they would be healthy after i am done

 

[JesiBel]

None of my organs will be useful when they find me. Suicide is a violent and traumatic death for our organism. Only assisted suicide in a healthcare facility would be possible.

I am registered as an organ donor.

 

[StarryEyed]

The more I think about donating my organs before euthanasia, the more uncomfortable I'm getting. I mean, it's one thing to be brain dead after a car accident and a stroke and then unknowingly getting sliced open and having my insides ripped out. But it feels totally different imagining myself willingly walking into the hospital to do it. That might be terrifying. But on the other hand, I'm thinking maybe that's my perfect ending since that's precisely why I want to leave this world - because of the agony I feel inside out. Maybe being eviscerated is the perfect ending to my existence. So I'm on the fence about whether or not to donate. I'm going to try to find out what the exact protocol is in donating during euthanasia. Maybe that will help me decide.

@Average Joe, are you settling down okay since you've come back from hospital?

@Praestat_Mori, thanks for those links. That's really interesting stuff. I wasn't aware of those angles of stem cell research. There is also research into 3D printing of organs. Have you looked that up? That's pretty amazing stuff.

 

[SmilingNoMore]

If there is anything useable, they are welcome to make use of it. I've stated this in my will. In 2023 there was a very real possibility of me having to get a liver transplant to survive. Miraculously, my liver is doing a lot better and if it manages to recover enough, I feel like my liver would almost be proud to be of service to someone else in need.

 

[doneforlife]

The more I think about donating my organs before euthanasia, the more uncomfortable I'm getting. I mean, it's one thing to be brain dead after a car accident and a stroke and then unknowingly getting sliced open and having my insides ripped out. But it feels totally different imagining myself willingly walking into the hospital to do it. That might be terrifying. But on the other hand, I'm thinking maybe that's my perfect ending since that's precisely why I want to leave this world - because of the agony I feel inside out. Maybe being eviscerated is the perfect ending to my existence. So I'm on the fence about whether or not to donate. I'm going to try to find out what the exact protocol is in donating during euthanasia. Maybe that will help me decide.

@Average Joe, are you settling down okay since you've come back from hospital?

@Praestat_Mori, thanks for those links. That's really interesting stuff. I wasn't aware of those angles of stem cell research. There is also research into 3D printing of organs. Have you looked that up? That's pretty amazing stuff.

What is it you are suffering from, if you don't mind me asking..

 

[Average Joe]

The more I think about donating my organs before euthanasia, the more uncomfortable I'm getting. I mean, it's one thing to be brain dead after a car accident and a stroke and then unknowingly getting sliced open and having my insides ripped out. But it feels totally different imagining myself willingly walking into the hospital to do it. That might be terrifying. But on the other hand, I'm thinking maybe that's my perfect ending since that's precisely why I want to leave this world - because of the agony I feel inside out. Maybe being eviscerated is the perfect ending to my existence. So I'm on the fence about whether or not to donate. I'm going to try to find out what the exact protocol is in donating during euthanasia. Maybe that will help me decide.

@Average Joe, are you settling down okay since you've come back from hospital?

@Praestat_Mori, thanks for those links. That's really interesting stuff. I wasn't aware of those angles of stem cell research. There is also research into 3D printing of organs. Have you looked that up? That's pretty amazing stuff.

If you get approved for euthanasia, you could maybe have a chat with the doctors and nurses. Although having said that, I'm not sure if they would remain neutral or try and convince you to donate. As you mentioned, finding out the exact protocol may help you decide. Although since you're getting more uncomfortable, maybe you could park the thoughts about donating until you've gotten through the legal process first, as I'm sure that will be exhausting already. Keep us informed though, I wish you peace

I'm doing okay, I can feel myself getting better physically each day since the transfusion, although mentally I'm ready to complete my plan to ctb.

 

[StarryEyed]

@doneforlife, I've had mental illness since childhood, then a serious car accident at 21, then an autoimmune disease and cancer in my 40s. The illnesses and the treatments have taken a toll on my body. I'm just a mess now at the relatively young age of 61. It's a miracle I've lasted this long really. But many of my organs should still be good for donation. I hope so.

@Average Joe, I've just lit a slow-burning IKEA tealight candle for you to send you love and softness across the miles. I'll keep it burning until I go to bed. Attached is a pic of it, for you to hold in your heart. I've never inserted a pic here. Hope it works.

I like your idea to talk to the nurses and docs if approved, but it takes a lot of time here to set up advance directives, which I have set up to include organ donation. But in Spain, in the absence of advance directives, you are automatically an organ donor anyway. So you have to make advance directives to prevent organ donation. We're a world leader in organ donation probably for the reason that it's automatic. Anyway, I'll find out who I've got to talk to so that I can decide what to do.

Thanks all for sharing your experiences and insights.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

It's not selfish to refuse organ donation. I mean it's my body after all and I decide what happens with it. And you have to be alive for your organs to be harvested. Just braindead. I've seen some awful stories on YT about this topic and they changed my mind. Plus, why should I help a society that denies me a peaceful death and even criminalizes my wish to die at 40 years old? CTB'ing safely is difficult enough and I focus on that.

Edit: I've read you might be granted euthanasia, that's a different thing. I'd be sooooo grateful In that case yes, why not consider donating if it's physically possible.

 

[alwaysalone]

I'm an organ donor but they'll probably only be viable if I'm lucky enough to be in an accident or something before I kill my self.

 

[TemporaryToTesting]

I'm an organ donor but they wouldn't accept them since my preferred method is SN. By the time I'm found, they'd probably be too damaged.

 

[Average Joe]

@Average Joe, I've just lit a slow-burning IKEA tealight candle for you to send you love and softness across the miles. I'll keep it burning until I go to bed. Attached is a pic of it, for you to hold in your heart. I've never inserted a pic here. Hope it works.

That's the kindest gesture I've had in so long, thank you so much. I appreciate that so much brother

 

[Carrot]

If somebody needs oxygen-free organs, sure. If assisted suicide was a thing here I'd gladly give my organs to somebody who wants to live.

 

[StarryEyed]

It's incredible how many different ideas people have around organ donation in this thread. @QueenOfSpades, I never thought of organ donation as an act of gratitude for euthanasia. Sweet.

Also, I've talked to my brother and sister about organ donation. Both of them are organ donors. My brother said in the context of euthanasia, he would definitely still do it, and he's totally comfortable with the thought. My sister on the other hand said in the context of euthanasia, it totally freaks her out and there is no way she would do it.

@Average Joe, you're very welcome. I'm so happy that you felt the vibes. BTW, I'm female. I forgot my username could be female or male. Do you mind my asking why you needed a blood transfusion?

A local organisation has agreed to call me soon to discuss the subject of organ donation, including in the context of euthanasia. I'll keep you posted here as to what they say.

 

[vampire2002]

i am currently an organ donor, but honestly with some of the things i've seen them used for lately, i think i would like to take myself off the organ donor registry. although i'm not even sure i'd be healthy enough to take my organs to begin with, so maybe i'm worried about nothing.

 

[StarryEyed]

i am currently an organ donor, but honestly with some of the things i've seen them used for lately, i think i would like to take myself off the organ donor registry. although i'm not even sure i'd be healthy enough to take my organs to begin with, so maybe i'm worried about nothing.

Hi Vampire! I don't know either if my organs are healthy enough to be useful. That's another question I am going to try to find out - how do they determine the health of your organs?

What do you mean as to how you've seen organs used for lately?

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Personally, I would like to, though I don't know what may be salvageable. My eyes are trash

Agree with you on the idea of bring chopped up making me uneasy though.

I recently had a loved one die and within three hours received a call from a company called Eversight . I was pissed and immediately called the hospital to see how some random company got our info to swoop in like vultures for organ donation.

Hospital lady explained their system in a way that made enough sense to defuse me. I looked Eversight up online to see what they were about and then called them to decline. After talking to them it made a lot of sense. They do cornea transplants. You can elect to do donor to recipient or for research. If you do it to a recipient, they mail the family a general update on the recipient. Can be anyone from a child with eye problems that will never read without it to cataract surgery for an old person.

The donor body isn't disfigured in case of an open casket funeral. Company has been around since the 40's and works with the Lyons club. Don't think the deceased would mind this relatively mild donation that could help someone see so we went with it. Still awaiting the update on the recipient.

 

[milkteacrown]

Yes. I don't care what happens to my body after death because I won't be around to be upset about it.

 

[StarryEyed]

@Kali_Yuga13 that's a beautiful story. Thanks for your inspiration.

I found the Spanish government website for their organ donation program. In case anyone is interested, here it is. I'm pleased to find out that they harvest a whole lot of organs, so I could help a lot of people. The link comes in many languages, including English (click top left "EN" under search window).

Donación de Órganos 3.4 – Organización Nacional de Trasplantes

www.ont.es

 

[daysfeel]

I wish the US allowed assisted suicide in exchange for your organs. We will help you pass if it means we get to use your organs to save the lives of those who want to live. We don't want to live, but they do, therefore they should get our organs because ours are going to waste or will go to waste if we commit suicide ourselves.

 

[StarryEyed]

I'm having a meeting with a government office on Monday to clarify organ donation protocols for euthanasia. Based on what they say I'll decide whether or not to be an organ donor.

@daysfeel, they allow donations from dead people in the States. They don't explicitly say suicide, and that might vary depending on the state you are in. But perhaps that includes suicide in your state. Here is info about organ donation in the US: https://unos.org/transplant/

 

[SuicideKitty]

Its probably hard to find good quality organs from person that died of CBT

 

[cececinderella]

In 2 weeks I will start the legal process of requesting euthanasia because I can't bring myself to suicide, but I'll reconsider suicide if I'm denied. I have a choice of donating my organs. I'm on the fence about it. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the pros and/or cons. Also, if you could choose organ donation with suicide, would you?

The pro is that someone could make use of the life I do not want.

The con is that I'm going to be chopped up, which is a pretty horrible thought.

Thanks in advance for your insights.

I'd like to, but I'm not actually sure if my organs are of much use. I'm registered as an OET donor on my ID, and I want to be of some use after CTB, but I think they'd just discard most of me because of chronic illness and such.

 

[DontTouchMeImFamous]

Imagine if parts of your consciousness was in some of these organs? Then all your hard work is in the vain lol

 

[brokeandbroken]

In 2 weeks I will start the legal process of requesting euthanasia because I can't bring myself to suicide, but I'll reconsider suicide if I'm denied. I have a choice of donating my organs. I'm on the fence about it. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the pros and/or cons. Also, if you could choose organ donation with suicide, would you?

The pro is that someone could make use of the life I do not want.

The con is that I'm going to be chopped up, which is a pretty horrible thought.

Thanks in advance for your insights.

I don't know who those organs would go to. Based on my life and people. Very few people help people. In my experience the vast vast majority people wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. So why would I save their life. I'm good. If people in your life helped you maybe you can make a different call.