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- Aug 18, 2020
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I think yes. I live in Europe though. But he would probably be also worse for Americans imo.
But first the European perpsective. You can easily bribe Trump. Give him some gold (like the business men of Switzerland did), compliment him in shameless ways like for example Mark Rutte did. (he called Trump "daddy"). It is in some way pathetic but on the other hand smart. They manipulate Trump to get favors from him. His ego is his weakness. Trump works transactional. Boost his ego, give him a symbolic victory so that he can posture himself as a strongman in front of his supporters. Help him to get wins for his audience. This is how you get admissions without sacrificing too much substantial except maybe your dignitiy.
Recently, I read an interview with James Orr. A friend o J.D. Vance. He is one of Vance's favorite philosophers too. It was an eulogy of Charlie Kirk, ruthless attacks against Europe (and its alleged censorship), US media manipulation against Trump, excuses for the January 6th rioters and so on. Today, I also listened to a Curtis Yarvin lecture. (which felt like a waste of time because he says the same things all the fucking time). Yarvin is also a phiosopher who inspired Vance. At the end of the lecture Yarvin debated a conservative historian and got completely rekt. They are very influential, but they are charlatans. I think Vance is an ideologue. (in contrast to Trump). This what makes him so dangerous. And he is smarter than Trump. The former critics who converted tend to become the most extreme supporters. But Vance is bigger than Trump. (not literally lol). He has an coherent world view. And well his vision for the US is certainly not good for the average US citizen. But I have the feeling Americans could fall for it again. The same people who were convinced "no Project2025 is not Trump's agenda". The same could happen with Vance. It is increasingly likely that Vance tries to become Trumps's successor. The king is old. And by rigging the system in his favor Vance could have a decent chance. Especially, if Democrats are not fighting back. I think though Americans are pretty pissed about the status quo of the country. And Vance might be associated too strongly with the status quo. I think Vance has a good intution and acts strategically. This is why he performed so well against Tim Walz in his debate. He is a good liar, he knows the liberal elites because he was part of them. He knows their weaknesses. For Europe Vance would clearly be worse. Russia with its anti-woke policies is closer to Vance's prefered ideology. At the same time Vance/Trump try to take the EU down. Maybe successfully. The populist right can argue we have an ally in the Oval Office. If you vote for us we will repair the transatlancic relations and the relations with Russia. Slavoj Zizek said Trump is SA, but Vance is SS. I really like that quote of him. The sole fact that people still think with Vance is would be better than with Trump shows that people are still falling for the lies of the administration. Vance is way more extreme on many issues compared to Trump. Trump has a short attention span, is not really that motivated, cares more about his personal wealth than about the country. The people behind his administration Stephen Miller, Vance, Russ Vought they are driving this agenda. And Trump's ego and mood swings are in their way. Trump is in some way a puppet, but at the same time he doesn't like the feeling to be treated like a puppet. Trump has the last word. But usually he listens to the last person he talked to (according to insiders). Vance instead he would accelerate the downfall of the US democracy even more. It is not about personal greed for him. It is his ideology that drives him. And the impact of a Vance presidency could be pretty pretty nasty. A CEO monarch like Yarvin wants it is not exactly what makes lives of Americans easier...
But first the European perpsective. You can easily bribe Trump. Give him some gold (like the business men of Switzerland did), compliment him in shameless ways like for example Mark Rutte did. (he called Trump "daddy"). It is in some way pathetic but on the other hand smart. They manipulate Trump to get favors from him. His ego is his weakness. Trump works transactional. Boost his ego, give him a symbolic victory so that he can posture himself as a strongman in front of his supporters. Help him to get wins for his audience. This is how you get admissions without sacrificing too much substantial except maybe your dignitiy.
Recently, I read an interview with James Orr. A friend o J.D. Vance. He is one of Vance's favorite philosophers too. It was an eulogy of Charlie Kirk, ruthless attacks against Europe (and its alleged censorship), US media manipulation against Trump, excuses for the January 6th rioters and so on. Today, I also listened to a Curtis Yarvin lecture. (which felt like a waste of time because he says the same things all the fucking time). Yarvin is also a phiosopher who inspired Vance. At the end of the lecture Yarvin debated a conservative historian and got completely rekt. They are very influential, but they are charlatans. I think Vance is an ideologue. (in contrast to Trump). This what makes him so dangerous. And he is smarter than Trump. The former critics who converted tend to become the most extreme supporters. But Vance is bigger than Trump. (not literally lol). He has an coherent world view. And well his vision for the US is certainly not good for the average US citizen. But I have the feeling Americans could fall for it again. The same people who were convinced "no Project2025 is not Trump's agenda". The same could happen with Vance. It is increasingly likely that Vance tries to become Trumps's successor. The king is old. And by rigging the system in his favor Vance could have a decent chance. Especially, if Democrats are not fighting back. I think though Americans are pretty pissed about the status quo of the country. And Vance might be associated too strongly with the status quo. I think Vance has a good intution and acts strategically. This is why he performed so well against Tim Walz in his debate. He is a good liar, he knows the liberal elites because he was part of them. He knows their weaknesses. For Europe Vance would clearly be worse. Russia with its anti-woke policies is closer to Vance's prefered ideology. At the same time Vance/Trump try to take the EU down. Maybe successfully. The populist right can argue we have an ally in the Oval Office. If you vote for us we will repair the transatlancic relations and the relations with Russia. Slavoj Zizek said Trump is SA, but Vance is SS. I really like that quote of him. The sole fact that people still think with Vance is would be better than with Trump shows that people are still falling for the lies of the administration. Vance is way more extreme on many issues compared to Trump. Trump has a short attention span, is not really that motivated, cares more about his personal wealth than about the country. The people behind his administration Stephen Miller, Vance, Russ Vought they are driving this agenda. And Trump's ego and mood swings are in their way. Trump is in some way a puppet, but at the same time he doesn't like the feeling to be treated like a puppet. Trump has the last word. But usually he listens to the last person he talked to (according to insiders). Vance instead he would accelerate the downfall of the US democracy even more. It is not about personal greed for him. It is his ideology that drives him. And the impact of a Vance presidency could be pretty pretty nasty. A CEO monarch like Yarvin wants it is not exactly what makes lives of Americans easier...
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